MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[pastera]

There are clearly some really extra-weird provisions in the new law that beg to be clarified. They go beyond FR and unless the Legislature is even more evil and crazed than I think they are (which is WAY evil and crazed, BTW), I expect some clarifying explanations will be forthcoming. The question is: Will they have to re-write the law to fix the worst of these bugs? Or will they somehow be allowed to clarify the obvious bugs by some other administrative means?

Yes - Cargill makes it clear that language of the law must be followed.

 

[chris_1001]

We should start a thread dedicated to just showing what you bought ahead of the 8/1 deadline....

In!

I’ll start

 

[pastera]

You know thst they will. They won’t be able to help themselves.

Hopefully that shop is a very tightly run outfit selling a very popular but non scary gun that was easily purchased prior to this bill

 

[maltc]

True. Once the PD turns them over to a bonded warehouse, they are "gone". PD doesn't get them back and the rightful owner won't either.

Assuming ongoing investigation bonded warehouse storage of personal property can be DENIED by the gun owner, if in writing, and have a fellow LTC holder or location willing to store for you. Everyone should have that in writing in your safe. You refuse bonded warehouse storage.

 

[EJFudd]

Yes - Cargill makes it clear that language of the law must be followed.

Good point.

 

[chris_1001]

Assuming ongoing investigation bonded warehouse storage of personal property can be DENIED by the gun owner, if in writing, and have a fellow LTC holder or location willing to store for you. Everyone should have that in writing in your safe. You refuse bonded warehouse storage.

Explain how?

I’m legit curious

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

So it’s buy before 8/1 or get dick-drawer-slammed?

 

[not new guy]

Sorry again for my laziness. Are there any gun parts that’s we’re expected to register ahead of this? Besides lowers (for an AR)? For example, if I have separate slides or uppers that happen to have numbers on them is the expectation that we’re supposed to register them somehow or they’ll be illegal? Or did that not make it into this shit sandwich?

 

[chris_1001]

So it’s buy before 8/1 or get dick-drawer-slammed?

That seems to be the consensus

Buy now or you are screwed. I bought a gun today that may or may not be on a roster.

Time is ticking.

If this gets tossed at worst, you have more guns.

Is that so bad?

If it passes and our worst fears are real, you missed out. No cool guns for you.

 

[william_munny]

Sorry again for my laziness. Are there any gun parts that’s we’re expected to register ahead of this? Besides lowers (for an AR)? For example, if I have separate slides or uppers that happen to have numbers on them is the expectation that we’re supposed to register them somehow or they’ll be illegal? Or did that not make it into this shit sandwich?

I didn't see anything about other components, just that the lowers/frames are now considered firearms and need to be registered regardless of whether or not they can go bang yet. I'm kind of banking on that myself because I have lowers I have not built out yet.

 

[DW357]

For those of you that frequent Northeast Arms that store won't change much at all, so for the Steve dick suckers it's basically status quo

?????

Ya I’m confused as well. Never had issues with Steve

 

[Len-2A Training]

Assuming ongoing investigation bonded warehouse storage of personal property can be DENIED by the gun owner, if in writing, and have a fellow LTC holder or location willing to store for you. Everyone should have that in writing in your safe. You refuse bonded warehouse storage.

I'll let @Rob Boudrie explain to you how this worked in real life. PDs don't always do what you tell them, what a sign says (e.g. 40 day law on LTC issuance for just one example), etc.

 

[Arlo39]

So I read it correctly that this would restrict and ban semi auto pistols as well. Next thing is I read somewhere in that bill that you’re not allowed to carry an assault weapon.
Now an assault weapon is defined by two features.
A detachable magazine. (Pistol has that)
Semi automatic operation (check On that for pistols)
Or am I looking into that incorrectly as well

The pistol had to have the magazine detachable outside the pistol grip. IE: AR/AK pistols. A standard pistol doesn’t fall in to that category.

 

[Dench]

Is there a condensed version of all the new shit?

 

[chris_1001]

Is there a condensed version of all the new shit?

No gunz 4 u.

Seriously, check the goal website

We are all guessing still.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I'll let @Rob Boudrie explain to you how this worked in real life. PDs don't always do what you tell them, what a sign says (e.g. 40 day law on LTC issuance for just one example), etc.

The response is all over the map.

I know of one case where a PD was very polite, prompt and professional in turning a handgun that was confiscated from the local Public Enemy #1 (a dissident) when they were charged with a federal crime.

A famous lawyer who has been cancelled on NES told me he had a case where the reaction to "An LTC holder is coming over to accept transfer of hte confiscated guns" resulted in a "please hurry" to a bonded warehouse.

I still wonder exactly what sort of bond these warehouoses have and what it covers. There is nothing in the law that defines exactly what "bonded" means in this context, or that the bond protect the value of the guns from loss, destruction, malfeasance, or theft.

 

[Gunowner80]

I didn't see anything about other components, just that the lowers/frames are now considered firearms and need to be registered regardless of whether or not they can go bang yet. I'm kind of banking on that myself because I have lowers I have not built out yet.

I’ve heard people say that you cannot register a Lower with a 0 inch barrel. So if you don’t own the upper yet, do you just put in whatever you are going to get even though you don’t have it? And are you referring to the current mass portal for registration right now? In this thread someone said you’d more than likely be potentially hurting yourself by using the mass portal right now before 8/1.

 

[william_munny]

It’s not sarcasm- because regardless if you want to admit it or not, we had things fairly good here. Their response to Bruen, in a state that is entirely run by democrat courts/ag’s/legislators created this disaster as a response and will evicerate our rights. There is no guarantee the supreme court will ever take a case that reverses this…and getting past the first circuit is next to impossible. What good is Bruen right now? It’s being completely ignored/defied. Bruen was the momentum they needed- and they got it.

MA will have the distinction of passing the most restrictive and asinine post-Bruen law yet. I wouldn't be so sure that this never gets taken up. This one might actually have the most chance of getting heard in the Supreme Court.

 

[1903Collector]

An initiative petition to kill this law would never work in MA. The politicians and their media hacks would position it as "defeat this or blood will flow in the streets". Let's face it, even a year from now, most MA gun owners won't even have a clue what is in this abomination.

True. Once the PD turns them over to a bonded warehouse, they are "gone". PD doesn't get them back and the rightful owner won't either.

Very true, this is the same state that people had a chance to nix the sales or income tax (forget which) and and voted that down, there is no way a petition for evil, killy guns would get by.

 

[Dusky]

MA will have the distinction of passing the most restrictive and asinine post-Bruen law yet. I wouldn't be so sure that this never gets taken up. This one might actually have the most chance of getting heard in the Supreme Court.

Yes in 20 years...

 

[william_munny]

I’ve heard people say that you cannot register a Lower with a 0 inch barrel. So if you don’t own the upper yet, do you just put in whatever you are going to get even though you don’t have it? And are you referring to the current mass portal for registration right now? In this thread someone said you’d more than likely be potentially hurting yourself by using the mass portal right now before 8/1.

No one knows for sure. The prevailing thought is that if you possess it legally, then when it gets reclassified as a firearm on 8/1 you are already good to go and just need to register it once the new system is developed in 6-12 months. The big question mark is whether or not post-July 2016 lowers will still be considered "possessed legally" on 8/1.

 

[chris_1001]

I’ve heard people say that you cannot register a Lower with a 0 inch barrel. So if you don’t own the upper yet, do you just put in whatever you are going to get even though you don’t have it? And are you referring to the current mass portal for registration right now? In this thread someone said you’d more than likely be potentially hurting yourself by using the mass portal right now before 8/1.

20 lowers with one 16.1” upper equals 20 legit FA-10’s?

Asking for a cell mate

 

[Gasgunner]

How is this going to work? MA will require all guns to be serialized.
You build a gun at home, as the Fed allows. Now MA wants it serialized, but the Feds want nothing to do with it because you are not an 07 FFL. So MA will need it's own process and database for issuing and tracking serial numbers. And then what happens if/when that MA serialized gun gets sold out of state. The serial number isn't real to the Feds, it's not in their database, but it's now going to show up in the bound book of an 01 FFL.

I have no idea how it will work going forward, but the ATF doesn’t care what serial a home builder assigns. I’ve scratch built SBRs and I needed to serialize it to complete the Form 1. It doesn’t matter if the serial conflicts with any commercial guns, because I’m the manufacturer. What Mass wants (i think) is for FFLs to serialize anything that they take possession of. In that case, they would need to make sure pre ‘68 unserialized guns aren’t given a serial that conflicts with any post ‘68 versions of the same model. I thought I read that FFLs would be assigned their own serial prefix to cut down on accidental duplicates.

 

[1903Collector]

So it’s buy before 8/1 or get dick-drawer-slammed?

Seems that way, I'm trying very hard to resist buying anything right now but the more I learn about this bill I may have to make a few purchases, and I'm not even talking about anything they consider an assault weapon. The gambler in me says hold, problem is I suck at gambling.

 

[maltc]

The response is all over the map.

I know of one case where a PD was very polite, prompt and professional in turning a handgun that was confiscated from the local Public Enemy #1 (a dissident) when they were charged with a federal crime.

A famous lawyer who has been cancelled on NES told me he had a case where the reaction to "An LOTC holder is coming over to accept transfer of hte confiscated guns" resulted in a "please hurry" to a bonded warehouse.

I still wonder exactly what sort of bond these warehouoses have and what it covers. There is nothing in the law that defines exactly what "bonded" means in this context, or that the bond protect the value of the guns from loss, destruction, malfeasance, or theft.

Appreciate the story- however couldn’t a bonded warehouse just be temporary if you’re refusing it in writing?

 

[Gunowner80]

No one knows for sure. The prevailing thought is that if you possess it legally, then when it gets reclassified as a firearm on 8/1 you are already good to go and just need to register it once the new system is developed in 6-12 months. The big question mark is whether or not post-July 2016 lowers will still be considered "possessed legally" on 8/1.

This is where I am at more so then not with everything said. So skip the MA portal then? What’s the proof of legal ownership? Receipt? Or what the dealer fills out when buying it?

 

[AJK129]

This is where I am at more so then not with everything said. So skip the MA portal then? What’s the proof of legal ownership? Receipt? Or what the dealer fills out when buying it?

Timed stamped posts of monthly purchases on an online forum surely count as proof of ownership, right?

 

[DW357]

Great time for me to be buying a boat…but I’ve been stocking up and buying offlist guns and lowers over the last several years so I don’t see myself buying anything else. Sadly.

 

[chris_1001]

Timed stamped posts of monthly purchases on an online forum surely count as proof of ownership, right?

Owned 7/31!

 

[scott-o]

Timed stamped posts of monthly purchases on an online forum surely count as proof of ownership, right?

You don't need proof that you did.
They need proof that you didn't.

If they are tracing your firearm, chances are you're not just plinking targets. In that case, the FFLs 4473 is logged so there is your date stamp.