MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Gunowner80]

Think of it this way too, a flowchart.

Is this an AR or copy/duplicate? If yes, was it registered before 7/20 (btw Healy said on or before 7/20, so this doesn’t even align with her guidance)? If yes, it’s not an assault weapon. 8/1 date is irrelevant. You don’t need the exemption.

If no, was it lawfully owned, registered, and serialized by 8/1? If it was a lower, it was lawfully owned and the registration requirement was met because there is no requirement to register it. If you built it and didn’t register it… then one could argue it was not lawfully possessed and it was not registered.

Not a lawyer. You have a week to figure out what to do.

So if you build it after 8/1, use the current MA portal system?

 

[bigbravehog]

Even if she vetos it with a public statement that it goes too far and will get struck down, the legislature will just override the veto.

The LEO exemptions are in there - that's why the police chiefs decided to support it.

She will sign it.
Lawsuits will be filed, paid for by supporters.
States defense is paid for by taxpayers.
It goes through the courts for x number of years, while lawful citizens wait for the conclusion and criminals see an opportunity to take advantage of a defenseless society.

That's what I see happening.

 

[Laderbuilt]

The pistol had to have the magazine detachable outside the pistol grip. IE: AR/AK pistols. A standard pistol doesn’t fall in to that category.

Thank you for that.
I honestly don’t know why I couldn’t connect that to my question.

Perhaps it’s the long work hours, little sleep and frustration/anger at the bill itself.

 

[Laderbuilt]

Do you have a completed rifle?
Disassemble it and use it to serially complete all of your lowers - once they can fire register them if it makes you feel better.

But remember, the status of "copies and duplicates" registered post 7/20/16 is quite likely banned (I'm 90% certain of this). So you may be letting the government know you have felony possession of "illegal assault-style" guns.

I agree with the your conclusion also I look at it concealed means concealed.
On another note the best way to keep a secret…
DONT TELL ANYONE!

 

[Arlo39]

Thank you for that.
I honestly don’t know why I couldn’t connect that to my question.

Perhaps it’s the long work hours, little sleep and frustration/anger at the bill itself.

You’re welcome

 

[Uzi2]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”​

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

 

[drgrant]

Reregistration? Sorry, not gonna happen. I'll be a test case, first. Time for patriots to stand tall.

Lol @ test case, the silence will be deafening. Giving our side legal standing is the opposite of what they want. It could inhibit how long this shit drags out.

I predict that if anyone gets charged for violations the charge won't come alone, they'll bundle other garbage with it. And when the bones come down they will drop the gun charge if you agree to CWOF out on something stupid. Everyone will take that cwof deal if it's non disabling. Karen Read would have even cwofed out despite being innocent but the deal they offered her obviously sucked very badly, hence her fighting it.

 

[MAJoe]

So if you build it after 8/1, use the current MA portal system?

Your guess is as good as mine. We’re all guessing at this point.

 

[drgrant]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”​

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

"You only have power over people as long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power—he's free again. "

 

[Gunowner80]

Your guess is as good as mine. We’re all guessing at this point.

Either wait for new reg. system or us the current one setup.

Might be best to leave lowers just as they are, and wait for more clarity and then build it.

 

[pastera]

Either wait for new reg. system or us the current one setup.

Might be best to leave lowers just as they are, and wait for more clarity and then build it.

Or do whatever you want as a free adult.

Lowers that were not in the transaction portal database as of 7/20/16 will be an illegal assault style firearm once this is passed.
Doesn't matter if you eFA-10 them today, tomorrow or on the 31st - they are verboten once the bill is signed and takes effect.

 

[Uzi2]

"You only have power over people as long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power—he's free again. "

You are just as delusional as the rest of those who seek to comply with the dictates of tyrants.

 

[pastera]

You are just as delusional as the rest of those who seek to comply with the dictates of tyrants.

I think you misread his posts

 

[Uzi2]

I think you misread his posts

No, I didn't misread anything.

 

[TLB]

Lol @ test case, the silence will be deafening. Giving our side legal standing is the opposite of what they want. It could inhibit how long this shit drags out.

I predict that if anyone gets charged for violations the charge won't come alone, they'll bundle other garbage with it. And when the bones come down they will drop the gun charge if you agree to CWOF out on something stupid. Everyone will take that cwof deal if it's non disabling. Karen Read would have even cwofed out despite being innocent but the deal they offered her obviously sucked very badly, hence her fighting it.

You're making my point.

 

[mac1911]

If they go after even a single shop for an off roster sale the state gives us standing for injuctive relief.

So will gun shops be filled with non roster inventory or not after 8-1
I assume the state will find many other reasons just to pull gun shop license?

 

[mac1911]

In!

I’ll start

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If your going to sink them , then what?

 

[mac1911]

There needs to be a Mass mooning of the legislature. 5000 people standing across the street in the Common, dropping their drawers and shooting the moon to the state house, all at once, carrying signs that say KISS MY ASS!!!

This will achieve what?

 

[pastera]

So will gun shops be filled with non roster inventory or not after 8-1
I assume the state will find many other reasons just to pull gun shop license?

No Idea.
They may only sell roster guns while waiting for relief from the courts.

 

[Uzi2]

This will achieve what?

Are you completely devoid of the power of "the image" in the quest of public persuasion?

 

[mac1911]

No Idea.
They may only sell roster guns while waiting for relief from the courts.

But if reliwf comes because they go after acgun shop after 8-1 wint that speed up the process? Cluater f*** for sure and with all things tax funded against US
Representatives , police , judges I think they are playing we can f*** you harder than you can f*** us .

Morah basically said tag your it knowing no one is going to tag back anytime soon.

Law abiding citizens in this state have no representation heck even homeless people are getting the FU from MoRah to appease criminals

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

Even though I don’t need anything I still want to buy a little something from off the list for myself. Either that or I’m gay and my whole family dies lmfao

 

[drgrant]

You are just as delusional as the rest of those who seek to comply with the dictates of tyrants.

Lmao you realize that was said by the same guy you just quoted? It's a little more mentally intensive than the other things he wrote.

 

[Pugz508]

What about pre 7/20 lowers that maura's office said were fine to build out? What if those are built after 8/1?

 

[chris_1001]

If your going to sink them , then what?

I have my PADI certification and I claim salvage.

Point set and match!

 

[MAJoe]

What about pre 7/20 lowers that maura's office said were fine to build out? What if those are built after 8/1?

Would you like 3, 5, or 7 different answers? I think we’re up to that many interpretations at this point.

 

[Picton]

Would you like 3, 5, or 7 different answers? I think we’re up to that many interpretations at this point.

This.

NOBODY KNOWS. This is one of those big-boy-pants situations. It's becoming evident that a number of people here don't really own a pair, which is unfortunate. But I have hope that a situation like this will encourage some of us to become the patriots we owe it to our kids to be.

 

[Uzi2]

This.

NOBODY KNOWS. This is one of those big-boy-pants situations. It's becoming evident that a number of people here don't really own a pair, which is unfortunate. But I have hope that a situation like this will encourage some of us to become the patriots we owe it to our kids to be.

Good Luck!!!

People on this board have been whistling past the graveyard for decades..........now the chickens have come home to roost in Massachusetts......and they're shitting all over them.......as chickens do.

 

[Picton]

Good Luck!!!

People on this board have been whistling past the graveyard for decades..........now the chickens have come home to roost in Massachusetts......and they're shitting all over them.......as chickens do.

I dunno.

Hard times often make wavering men rise to the occasion. It happens all the time, historically. I don't have a lot of hope for us, but I don't have no hope for us either.

Nothing makes a man a radical like having their government come down on them like a ton of bricks, undeserved.

 

[Uzi2]

I dunno.

Hard times often make wavering men rise to the occasion. It happens all the time, historically. I don't have a lot of hope for us, but I don't have no hope for us either.

Nothing makes a man a radical like having their government come down on them like a ton of bricks, undeserved.

Like I said....Good Luck.

MA has been coming down like a ton of bricks for decades. The smart people have moved out, refusing to fund their own demise. The rest have bent over to every "good fvcking" that the state has handed out, and they'll bend over once again.