MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[theciviliansupply]

I just realized, this "shroud" atrocity would make an M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 are all illegal as the wood/plastic covers the barrel and prevents shooter from burring their hand. This is absolute insanity.

The M1 Carbine would be okay. If the barrel is threaded, you can p/w a thread protector or grind down/remove the threads. There are work arounds.

 

[Darksideblues42]

We have people identifying as animals, so when does it end? Should we support them and get them a cat boxes or take them outside to go to the bathroom?

Years ago, I worked security at an event for adults in alternative lifestyles.

I had to explain to someone that the outdoor service animal relief area was for actual non-human service animals.

 

[Darksideblues42]

I have no idea how it will work going forward, but the ATF doesn’t care what serial a home builder assigns. I’ve scratch built SBRs and I needed to serialize it to complete the Form 1. It doesn’t matter if the serial conflicts with any commercial guns, because I’m the manufacturer. What Mass wants (i think) is for FFLs to serialize anything that they take possession of. In that case, they would need to make sure pre ‘68 unserialized guns aren’t given a serial that conflicts with any post ‘68 versions of the same model. I thought I read that FFLs would be assigned their own serial prefix to cut down on accidental duplicates.

Pre-68 firearms are specifically exempt.

 

[MGnoob]

I’m wondering this as well.

I think there is a way it’s doable. But not 100% sure.

Since you own the lower. Know what length barrel you want. Its legal (the lower) to own today and 90 days at least before you need a (new type of) registration

Thoughts?

On an mp5 the upper is the receiver the lower is nothing… regardless you wouldn’t have lawfully possessed before the date..

On top of that other than the really good stores around here they won’t sell you an mp5 anyway.

There’s places you can go and get it right now. Then you have it it’s legit Massachusetts.(not really)

Then you can turn it into an SBR at anytime you want.

Or buy a real pre-ban.. make it an SBR.


View: https://youtu.be/uelA7KRLINA?si=rqNVCNbv0PEXsce4

 

[vcman]

Most shops at the Mill have long lines. Busiest I've seen it.

Parking is overflowing and jammed. Park over by the common and a short walk, it's easier.

This is the reason why I gave up on running out to gunshops in the area to buy a mini m14, I don't want to get trample by panicking gunowners lol. Got me 2 semi rifles and a few handguns and ammo over the last few years .I'll get me a nice scope and extra ammo and mags later on if I see good deals.

 

[MGnoob]

My next question about this registration scheme is.. so out of stators don’t have to if they’re coming to participate in sports here?

 

[Laderbuilt]

Could someone please summarize the changes to where we can legally carry?

The summary page didn’t have mutch detail I too am wondering what’s changed.
I don’t like the 150” thing near .gov and the like. It leaves to much Ambiguity

 

[Hardwired]

I just realized, this "shroud" atrocity would make an M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 are all illegal as the wood/plastic covers the barrel and prevents shooter from burring their hand. This is absolute insanity.

M1 Garand and original WW2 Carbines are all preban. Even some M1As were preban. The Garand also doesn’t have a detachable mag, and use enbloc clips. God bless member Enbloc.

 

[MGnoob]

This entire thing a such a shit show.. at least with the short 94 ban… you could kind of interpret it

I may actually read this thing and it’s entirety when it comes out, but if a layman can’t understand it how can it really be law… it’s obvious what the intent of this bullshit is

 

[vcman]

NES NH House group buy?

In

 

[spt_1955]

Can someone point me to the actual roster?

Official Team Roster of the New England Patriots

 

[42!]

I don't know if this has been posted here, but it's interesting.

Licensed carriers from other states would be able to carry in their vehicles (on body, in the vehicle only) while driving through MA. If they stop, they would have to comply with secure storage requirements.


View: https://x.com/MorosKostas/status/1814372700833624190

They are trying to head off an obvious challenge, that a person's constitutional rights don't stop at a state boarder. If someone from, say NH, like me, applied for an out of state LTC and was denied, but is not PP or disqualified in other states, there could be a pretty clear constitutional challenge that may bring down the whole out of state licensing system.

This will let them claim they are allowing everyone to posses a firearm, just restricting where.

BUT, this cretes a situation where non residents don't always need a license, but residents do. MA could lose on the need for an LTC to buy or posses in the home and vehicle with this 2 level rights restriction.

 

[42!]

Years ago, I worked security at an event for adults in alternative lifestyles.

I had to explain to someone that the outdoor service animal relief area was for actual non-human service animals.

Arisia didn't have many furries, at least not back when I was involved in their security. But having to explain to the ASB crowd that their subs had to wear clothing when lead through the hotel hallways, was the kind of conversation I had thought I would never have.

OK, sorry, back on topic.

New MA gun laws bad.
Has anyone turned the line by line edit BS into a strikethrough and bold copy of what the laws would actually become?

 

[inerlogic]

And what if that's not an option? Say you have a completed AR-15 pattern rifle but an unbuilt AR-10 pattern lower. Assuming that's pre-2016, does that get rendered illegal on 8/1 because there was no way for you to register it?

Here!
*tosses AR10 upper across the room we're both currently sitting in*

You can borrow my 20" bear creek

 

[inerlogic]

If no, was it lawfully owned, registered, and serialized by 8/1?

Has to be lawfully owned by 8/1, and registered. In that order.
The registration portal doesn't exist yet, register it when it does.

 

[inerlogic]

Never stopped Brandon from student loan “forgiveness” bribes.

I took his bribe and am still voting Trump, f*** Brandon

 

[rogersmithiii]

Most shops at the Mill have long lines. Busiest I've seen it.

Amazing how sheeple wait until the very last minute.

what they fina do about it? send SWAT to door to door confiscations like they never did in CT?

They will just pick off gun owners one by one. When you need the fire dept or EMS, they’ll notice a magazine or round, and use that for probable cause. When you have a fight with your partner, and they drop a dime, they will kick down your door. Brainwash kids, create Netflix content that make gun owners into criminals. Dems play the long game.

 

[rogersmithiii]

Guess I’m a fudd. Don’t own anything that I need to register.

Registration always leads to confiscation.

 

[rogersmithiii]

Here!
*tosses AR10 upper across the room we're both currently sitting in*

You can borrow my 20" bear creek

4% of NY gun owners registered. CT, about the same.

I bet we’ll trained Mass owners go all in, and obey like sheep.

 

[Lxpony]

Just in case anyone was wondering, Maura isn't signing this anytime soon. She doesn't want to create a mass buying spree if People knew the 8/1 deadline was a thing. We (educated and aware gun owners) represent a small sunset of MA gun owners. Most likely have no idea what is coming. Which is how she prefers it.

My guess is it will be signed late this upcoming week. Giving just a few days to panic buy

 

[Lxpony]

Guess I’m a fudd. Don’t own anything that I need to register.

Registration always leads to confiscation.

You must be a fudd ( no offense). The last 15 guys I've bought werw never been efa10'd by the dealer I bought them from. I'll let you read between the lines on the kind of guns they are

 

[JJC]

Anyone know if this is a viable option? Because we can get 15k signatures.

 

[SpeedwayMike]

Right, but I was originally replying to the guy asking.

When you see the new guys grabbing a couple of PCCs at the shop and there’s only fixed mag option left for 556/308 that’s not $2800+…

What’s an SKS worth now?

2000 on 7/31 at 9am. 400 on 7/31 30mins before portal closes.

 

[EddieZoom]

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Anyone remember the old converse ad....."she plays up in the lights" ;-)

 

[Redsox802]

The M1 Carbine would be okay. If the barrel is threaded, you can p/w a thread protector or grind down/remove the threads. There are work arounds.

Until they put those retro rifles on the banned rifle list right? I just keep thinking everyone is going nuts trying to interpret “shroud” etc and it’s all moot if they just add everything to the banned list they are gonna come up with.

 

[milktree]

Anyone know if this is a viable option? Because we can get 15k signatures.View attachment 898957

Think about how you’d have to write that referendum so it had even the tiniest chance of passing in Mass.: it’d have to appeal to more than 50% of voters.

What language would do that?

Would an abject failure be worth the risk?

Getting 3% of the vote would strengthen the resolve of the bastards who wrote and passed this abomination.

 

[gerrycaruso]

Does this law prohibit sales from online vendors not licensed in Ma? If so, how will dealers get anything?

 

[71montess]

I guess you missed it at the 2016 State House rally

Gun owners angry at Maura Healey: 'This has gone national'

That’s me holding the DTOM flag.

 

[Beretta92FS]

Or do whatever you want as a free adult.

Lowers that were not in the transaction portal database as of 7/20/16 will be an illegal assault style firearm once this is passed.
Doesn't matter if you eFA-10 them today, tomorrow or on the 31st - they are verboten once the bill is signed and takes effect.

I don't think that's correct.

Under the NEW law they will be assault style firearms, true. But under the CURRENT law, they are legally processed, both as unbuilt receivers or completed massified rifles. And the NEW law, if it's effective date is August 1st or later, has grandfathering of assault style firearms under section 131M (b), as long as they were legally possessed under the CURRENT law, and registered in the FUTURE, yet to be developed, registration system mentioned under the new section 121B.

An important point is, the current law and the new law is not both in effect at the same time. And if the new law is effective August 1 or later, then it appears to me that there is indeed full grandfathering of everything that was legally owned under the current law.

Having said all that, IANAL.

 

[teej1074]

Think about how you’d have to write that referendum so it had even the tiniest chance of passing in Mass.: it’d have to appeal to more than 50% of voters.

What language would do that?

Would an abject failure be worth the risk?

Getting 3% of the vote would strengthen the resolve of the bastards who wrote and passed this abomination.

I really see no upside to trying to repeal this as a ballot measure. Mass has one the lowest rates of gun ownership in the country (~15% adults iirc). Culturally, anything Boston-metro is heavily anti-2a. The bill was sold as 'getting rid of ghost guns' and no one except gun owners, if that, are going to do any further research with everything else going on this election cycle.

So it won't pass, and I don't see how it helps technically with the long-term legal strategy of getting it overturned on constitutional grounds. Why give 4885 greater legitimacy by getting it passed as a ballot measure?

Might be a good op for local pols to win points for 'fighting' the bill, but just seems like a great way to make this whole situation worse to me.