MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[pastera]

So f*** anyone who got their license after that?

Those in that position can still buy one from someone else in state that has a pre 7/20/16 gun

 

[Hardwired]

By the letter of the bill? No, I don't believe so unless the dealer did an eFA-10 for a zero length multi caliber entry.

Most dealers did not FA10 a lower frame/receiver so acquired by a buyer pre-2016. So essentially a “Pre-Healy” lower - so these are OK to FA10 prior to 8/1 and be grandfathered?

If not what is the legal status of these pre-healeys after 8/1?

 

[HorizontalHunter]

This kind of pessimism does not help.

Maybe they need to bring in some famous people. Maybe stage it as a "gun control rally" (but not say the anti gun control part), With social media, this can still be a winning way to follow up and move forward. People need to come up with new solutions and new ideas, as the old methods just are not working.

Perhaps, but it is true. ALL the coverage I have seen has been state supplied. Not a peep about the effect on lawful gun owners.

Like many here I will continue to fight, write, call, and contribute to whoever will take up the fight in the courts.

 

[Picton]

I think most gun owners in the know have settled in a quiet mode of civil disobedience. People have been bending over backwards to stay within the confines of the law, but when the laws change to bend you over to physical impossibility, people will naturally come to the conclusion that in for a penny, in for a pound.

*raises hand*

Me.

I haven’t bothered to look at the verbiage on registration. Just not interested at all at this point. Really? Registration? Guess we’ll find out how ‘law abiding’ Massachusetts gun owners are, soon enough.

Yep. Trying to understand all this is really just way more work than I feel like doing. When you already know you don't intend to follow a law, your mentality changes.

 

[pastera]

Most dealers did not FA10 a lower frame/receiver so acquired by a buyer pre-2016. So essentially a “Pre-Healy” lower - so these are OK to FA10 prior to 8/1 and be grandfathered?

If not what is the legal status of these pre-healeys after 8/1?

Pre Healy is a feel good moniker that means zero.

The bill calls out 7/20/16 as the grandfathering date ONLY for those guns in the transaction database.

So if your lower wasn't registered then it will be considered a banned copy or duplicate.
So you do you with that knowledge.

 

[Woodsloafer]

*raises hand*

Me.



Yep. Trying to understand all this is really just way more work than I feel like doing. When you already know you don't intend to follow a law, your mentality changes.

Yep. I'll live my life, donate to whoever is taking the lead on lawsuits, and see where the cards fall. If shit gets to the point that it is directly affecting me, I'll reconsider things.

 

[sieveboy]

Did NY or CT have an FA-10 equivalent before requiring registration? If MA just rolls the FA-10 database into the registry, will you need to “(re)register” what they already have record of you owning? Whether accurate or not? If you don’t register what they have records of you owning, isn’t that just a roadmap of who’s ignoring the law?

NY (the state not the city) didn’t register anything but pistols prior to the SAFE Act. The SAFE Act added registration of what the crown identified as assault rifles. There is no registration of fudd-type long guns in NY even now.

 

[MFSP101]

So f*** anyone who got their license after that?

Oh oh oh that’s me. That’s me. This really sucks.

 

[Garys]

I remember their first attempt to ban all handguns back in 1975-76. And their more successful attempt to restrict them and cut the number of FFLs and LTC holders.

Seems like a nice guy. Doesn't get it though. Voting in MA to fix this shit? As he said himself 50+ years of MA shitting on 2A.

 

[Garys]

Anyone else notice how quiet the Democratzis have been about banning "assault rifles" since one was use to try to assassinate President Trump?

 

[Rob Boudrie]

NY (the state not the city) didn’t register anything but pistols prior to the SAFE Act. The SAFE Act added registration of what the crown identified as assault rifles. There is no registration of fudd-type long guns in NY even now.

NY and MA demonstrate an intermediate step for registration:

Require registration but do not allow people to register, so the supply is cut off.

Come back for confiscation later.

 

[Dressed to Kill]

Anyone else notice how quiet the Democratzis have been about banning "assault rifles" since one was use to try to assassinate President Trump?

Everyone's favorite native American is out there still spewing her nonsense

 

[G4Y4HK]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhrj0cll9Qo

 

[not new guy]

Everyone's favorite native American is out there still spewing her nonsense

She’s such an embarrassment, even by MA pol standards.

 

[LakeTrout]

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Anyone else notice how quiet the Democratzis have been about banning "assault rifles" since one was use to try to assassinate President Trump?

No. All I’ve heard is the political left and their talking heads using that incident to call for more action.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

She’s such an embarrassment, even by MA pol standards.

Every party agrees it is time for unity on controversial issues.

 

[Ben Cartwright SASS]

I know this will sound like it is me but I really asking for a buddy. Myself I don't have any guns that are old purchase wise, the few I had with blue cards were sold long ago, the rest are on FA10's.
A friend from ******* has some AR's and other rifles and handguns he bought back in the 60's. He says they never had a blue card (seems strange to me but I don't know when the bluecards started) he says the dealer had some sort of yellow sheet/card and he never had anything.

We were discussing the new "registration" system that isn't developed yet and I told him that I thought I had heard first that the FRB was going to move all the guns in their system to the new system and that if you have any guns that are not in that system you need to register them on the soon to be developed system.

I have 6 guns that I have paper FA10s on but when I got the list of what the FRB has for me they don't show in the FRB system. they were from a couple different dealers, one handwritten and the others they did and printed from their PC, before there were eFA10s

For .....'s question, if you have some AR's or other guns that were never in the FRB what will the new law be?

 

[Picton]

For .....'s question, if you have some AR's or other guns that were never in the FRB what will the new law be?

...what guns?

I'm being serious. Delete this post and tell your friend "Congratulations." If the jerks who work for the State don't know about his guns, why in god's name would he want to tell them?

 

[Woodsloafer]

...what guns?

I'm being serious. Delete this post and tell your friend "Congratulations." If the jerks who work for the State doesn't know about his guns, why in god's name would he want to tell them?

People are off their frigging rockers.

STFU and go on living.

 

[will morn]

...what guns?

I'm being serious. Delete this post and tell your friend "Congratulations." If the jerks who work for the State don't know about his guns, why in god's name would he want to tell them?

What if they want to sell those guns going forward?

 

[Picton]

What if they want to sell those guns going forward?

Lol.

Then he sells the guns, like I'd sell a knife or a crescent wrench or a toaster. Big deal.

 

[Hardwired]

...what guns?

I'm being serious. Delete this post and tell your friend "Congratulations." If the jerks who work for the State don't know about his guns, why in god's name would he want to tell them?

Legit questions, stuff before this transfer shit was put in place, and we know it’s riddled with errors and botched/missing entries. So some guy tries to sell his pre whatever In the state and it’s a no go. And LTC revoked at that point and further undesirable consequences.

This thing is an abomination.

 

[Picton]

Legit questions, stuff before this transfer shit was put in place, and we know it’s riddled with errors and botched/missing entries. So some guy tries to sell his pre whatever In the state and it’s a no go. And LTC revoked at that point and further undesirable consequences.

This thing is an abomination.

How is it a "no go?" Serious question.

He wants to sell, someone wants to buy. The buyer hands over some cash and walks away with a rifle. Everyone's happy. What's undesirable about that? How does the State or the LTC issuing authority ever know about it?

They don't need to know. It boggles my mind why anyone would think it's a good idea to tell them. People are just losing their minds here.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

I’m dicked I don’t have a 1911 yet, HK, nor an AR10 so I’m scrambling all over the map trying to figure out what to buy I’m totally screwed right now boys this sucks major balls now I’m panicking now I’m panicking now I’m panicking

 

[Atlantis]

Concur - everything I'm saying here comes with a bigboy pants disclaimer.
You enjoy your position because thousands of patriots bled and spilled blood for your rights.
Freedom dies when a generation fails to understand that fact and act with the responsibility it inspires.

I’m sure the patriots that came before me made it a point to make blowhard comments on the internet signaling their plans to rebel.
Not to mention the fact that we are quite literally behind enemy lines. This isn’t a majority of Massachusetts revolting against the British an ocean away. This is a minority of Massachusetts residents being out voted by the majority population. While I know I am right, I also know that to take direct action would be the literal definition of terrorism. We have a judicial branch for a reason. Are we any better than the liberal mob if we don’t give the judicial branch a chance to be the check and balance it was intended to be?

Please, using plain English explain to me what responsibility I should be inspired to? Whose blood should I spill? What’s the term for that? Murder?

 

[TLB]

So a lower that someone bought and tossed in the safe 20 years ago (anything pre-2016) and never FA-10 (as was not assembled) is no good? Purchase receipt or supplier confirmation of manufacture date good to enter into portal as 5.56? .22LR? …built out

I know for sure that lower was FA-10'd years ago when it was originally built it out. f*** knows why it isn't in their garbage database.

 

[ddeck]

I don’t think so. The Garand does not have a detachable magazine, and the other two do not have pistol grips. But the shroud addition will make a lot of rifles illegal.

Just make sure your M1 carbine does not have the Type 3 barrel band with the bayonet lug. That's the most common configuration and would put you at 3 evil features under the new test. detachable magazine, "shroud," and bayonet lug.

The new "Inland" produces a special variant for California that does not have the bayonet lug, which appears that it would work even under this new bill.

 

[headednorth]

I’m sure the patriots that came before me made it a point to make blowhard comments on the internet signaling their plans to rebel.
Not to mention the fact that we are quite literally behind enemy lines. This isn’t a majority of Massachusetts revolting against the British an ocean away. This is a minority of Massachusetts residents being out voted by the majority population. While I know I am right, I also know that to take direct action would be the literal definition of terrorism. We have a judicial branch for a reason. Are we any better than the liberal mob if we don’t give the judicial branch a chance to be the check and balance it was intended to be?

Please, using plain English explain to me what responsibility I should be inspired to? Whose blood should I spill? What’s the term for that? Murder?

George Washington would likely be labeled a terrorist under todays definition. I find it strange that people on the right are willing to get bent over to avoid being labeled this or that by the people bending them over.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

I’m sure the patriots that came before me made it a point to make blowhard comments on the internet signaling their plans to rebel.
Not to mention the fact that we are quite literally behind enemy lines. This isn’t a majority of Massachusetts revolting against the British an ocean away. This is a minority of Massachusetts residents being out voted by the majority population. While I know I am right, I also know that to take direct action would be the literal definition of terrorism. We have a judicial branch for a reason. Are we any better than the liberal mob if we don’t give the judicial branch a chance to be the check and balance it was intended to be?

Please, using plain English explain to me what responsibility I should be inspired to? Whose blood should I spill? What’s the term for that? Murder?

I really wouldn't compare you getting pissed because your Fundemental Rights are getting stripped to a liberal mob, lol.

Wasn't it only 3% or something that wanted a revolution against British rule?

 

[PappyM3]

Just make sure your M1 carbine does not have the Type 3 barrel band with the bayonet lug. That's the most common configuration and would put you at 3 evil features under the new test. detachable magazine, "shroud," and bayonet lug.

The new "Inland" produces a special variant for California that does not have the bayonet lug, which appears that it would work even under this new bill.

It appears they removed bayonet lugs from the features.

Also, any surplus one is pre-94 so that is moot for surplus options.

Interestingly, it seems the new language bans threaded barrels that can accommodate flash hiders and brakes, but it doesn’t ban having a flash hider itself. So permanently welding a flash hider would technically be legal and would not be a feature.