MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Hardwired said:
…New Definition of Assault Rifle, Covers many more rifles.
“Assault-style firearm”, any firearm which is:
(a) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features:
(i) a folding or telescopic stock;
(ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip;
(iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(iv) a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or similar feature; or
(v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
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Re-reading the actual text of the bill, I’m realizing pretty much every single semi auto rifle with a detachable mag has two features right off the bat, regardless of pistol grips/stocks.

People are bringing up the shroud inclusion, but I realize the forward grip is also a problem. They don’t limit “forward grip” to a protruding grip. They say forward grip “or” a protruding grip. That means every single rifle that has a place for your support hand (which is virtually every single one) automatically has the illegal two features. Doesn’t matter if it has a traditional stock or not.

This is an “assault type weapon” according to the new bill:
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Dench said:
Exile burrito in Berlin has the same sign. They got bagged for donating to Littletons drag queens story hour featuring a literal child predator.

Haven't been back. It's a shame because the foods great and the owner seemed ok till I saw that little tidbit on thier Facebook page where they defended thar donation.

I'll spend my money in businesses that don't hate me.

I left planet fitness earlier this year for the bathroom tranny thing also. They can get f***ed.
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I wasn’t clear enough when i posted that pic.

The two bathrooms in the pizza restaurant each have that sign on the door. The restrooms are single occupant only. So nobody cares who’s using it.

That’s entirely different from a man walking into the women’s locker room my wife is in.
 
PappyM3 said:
Re-reading the actual text of the bill, I’m realizing pretty much every single semi auto rifle with a detachable mag has two features right off the bat, regardless of pistol grips/stocks.

People are bringing up the shroud inclusion, but I realize the forward grip is also a problem. They don’t limit “forward grip” to a protruding grip. They say forward grip “or” a protruding grip. That means every single rifle that has a place for your support hand (which is virtually every single one) automatically has the illegal two features. Doesn’t matter if it has a traditional stock or not.
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Fine by me.

Just another overreach to get overturned.
 
headednorth said:
George Washington would likely be labeled a terrorists under todays definition. I find it strange that people on the right are willing to get bent over to avoid being labeled this or that by the people bending them over.
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I’m not bending over. I’m just not currently of the opinion that the only solution is XYZ direct action against XYZ parties. I don’t care what you call me. I care that there are still civil means of reconciling this issue, and I for one don’t feel 100% morally correct to jump right to lethal force in pursuit of reconciling this issue.
Horatio Alger Jr said:
I really wouldn't compare you getting pissed because your Fundemental Rights are getting stripped to a liberal mob, lol.

Wasn't it only 3% or something that wanted a revolution against British rule?
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80% of statistics are made up. Including that one. (The 80%).

What I mean is force feeding someone else your opinion and worldview. There is still a chance that SCOTUS metaphorically skullf*cks this legislation. It’s possible that ultimately, our rights will prevail. My comparison to a liberal mob is the idea that they think they are right. I think I am right. The difference is, I don’t go rioting in the street. Because, I pray, the SCOTUS will uphold the constitution. My idea of rioting in the street is a lot more “final” than the liberal mob. It’s in my opinion, a measure of last resort
 
Atlantis said:
I’m not bending over. I’m just not currently of the opinion that the only solution is XYZ direct action against XYZ parties. I don’t care what you call me. I care that there are still civil means of reconciling this issue, and I for one don’t feel 100% morally correct to jump right to lethal force in pursuit of reconciling this issue.
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There are VERY few posters anywhere on NES who truly believe in going out and killing government officials, and most of those are likely Fed plants. So let's cool our jets here. Nobody's seriously suggesting a "jump right to lethal force."

Most of us are putting our faith in the courts, and with good reason. Many of us are advocating simple noncompliance while awaiting that outcome. That's a train you're more than welcome to hop onto.
 
allen-1 said:
I wasn’t clear enough when i posted that pic.

The two bathrooms in the pizza restaurant each have that sign on the door. The restrooms are single occupant only. So nobody cares who’s using it.

That’s entirely different from a man walking into the women’s locker room my wife is in.
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Yeah i agree. At Exile the bathroom is unisex single stall. So that signs not a problem as men shouldnt be rolling in on woman.

The problem i had with them was that donation and refusal to make it right. That sign on the door already makes it very clear they are big liberals
 
PappyM3 said:
Re-reading the actual text of the bill, I’m realizing pretty much every single semi auto rifle with a detachable mag has two features right off the bat, regardless of pistol grips/stocks.

People are bringing up the shroud inclusion, but I realize the forward grip is also a problem. They don’t limit “forward grip” to a protruding grip. They say forward grip “or” a protruding grip. That means every single rifle that has a place for your support hand (which is virtually every single one) automatically has the illegal two features. Doesn’t matter if it has a traditional stock or not.

This is an “assault type weapon” according to the new bill:
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Good.
 
Picton said:
How is it a "no go?" Serious question.

He wants to sell, someone wants to buy. The buyer hands over some cash and walks away with a rifle. Everyone's happy. What's undesirable about that? How does the State or the LTC issuing authority ever know about it?

They don't need to know. It boggles my mind why anyone would think it's a good idea to tell them. People are just losing their minds here.
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This whole thing is a mess, everybody is very upset and emotions are running strong. So I am not surprised by some of these reactions/questions.

There are some people here who are really concerned about being legal, call them fudds if you want.

Some of these people may also be under a lot of pressure from significant others to be 100% legal for the good of their family. Hard to provide well from a jail cell.

I am not one of those people but I understand that they exist. I also understand that people have different risk tolerances. And if a fellow gun owner has little to no risk tolerances I am not going to suggest that they are “losing their minds here”.

I am not trying to be confrontational, just pointing out that while we are mostly the same here, we are not all the same here.
 
LakeTrout said:
No. It was about 50/50 as far as public opinion among colonists who actually had an opinion on it.

It was probably somewhere around 20% of that served in the war on the colonist’s side in one form or another. There are a lot of different ways to analyze this, but 3% is complete BS
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PappyM3 said:
Re-reading the actual text of the bill, I’m realizing pretty much every single semi auto rifle with a detachable mag has two features right off the bat, regardless of pistol grips/stocks.

People are bringing up the shroud inclusion, but I realize the forward grip is also a problem. They don’t limit “forward grip” to a protruding grip. They say forward grip “or” a protruding grip. That means every single rifle that has a place for your support hand (which is virtually every single one) automatically has the illegal two features. Doesn’t matter if it has a traditional stock or not.

This is an “assault type weapon” according to the new bill:
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Can anyone point be to any rifle or shotgun that doesn't have something forward of the receiver for you non-trigger hand? I don't even know if Arnold could shoot a Garand accurately using only the trigger hand on the gun...
 
Ben Cartwright SASS said:
Can anyone point be to any rifle or shotgun that doesn't have something forward of the receiver for you non-trigger hand? I don't even know if Arnold could shoot a Garand accurately using only the trigger hand on the gun...
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These "sky is falling" interpretions that go beyond what is reasonable expected detract from the serious real problems in the bill. Might as well talk about how a bedded stock is a shroud to protect the hand from heat.

Look at the bright side - we can still have shoulder things that go up.
 
Ben Cartwright SASS said:
Can anyone point be to any rifle or shotgun that doesn't have something forward of the receiver for you non-trigger hand? I don't even know if Arnold could shoot a Garand accurately using only the trigger hand on the gun...
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Nope. The TNW Aero survival rifle comes close, in that it doesn’t have a forward grip. But, it has a telescoping stock and a tiny “shroud”.
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Coda said:
This whole thing is a mess, everybody is very upset and emotions are running strong. So I am not surprised by some of these reactions/questions.

There are some people here who are really concerned about being legal, call them fudds if you want.

Some of these people may also be under a lot of pressure from significant others to be 100% legal for the good of their family. Hard to provide well from a jail cell.

I am not one of those people but I understand that they exist. I also understand that people have different risk tolerances. And if a fellow gun owner has little to no risk tolerances I am not going to suggest that they are “losing their minds here”.

I am not trying to be confrontational, just pointing out that while we are mostly the same here, we are not all the same here.
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I can see that.

I still don't understand the mindset of being SO TRAPPED by the idea of the state giving permission to exercise your rights, that you insist on having that permission even when you don't need it. Guaranteed, if that same question about Ben Cartwright's friend had been asked of an actual State legislator or bureacrat, they'd be totally clueless because there is LITERALLY no answer.

The State does not care whether they've missed guns in the past. They have no plan for incorporating them into this new framework of theirs. And I might be wrong, of course, but I seriously doubt that framework will ever develop far enough for there to ever BE a "correct answer" to Cartwright's friend's question.

A free man has to decide for himself how to manage his rights. It's pretty obvious, and very sad, that so many people here don't seem to want to manage their own rights. That's not a mindset that I find it easy to comprehend.
 
Picton said:
There are VERY few posters anywhere on NES who truly believe in going out and killing government officials, and most of those are likely Fed plants. So let's cool our jets here. Nobody's seriously suggesting a "jump right to lethal force."

Most of us are putting our faith in the courts, and with good reason. Many of us are advocating simple noncompliance while awaiting that outcome. That's a train you're more than welcome to hop onto.
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Completely agree. Maybe I read into it wrong but my jets only heated up when it seemed like I/we are being accused of being irresponsible and foresaking the sacrifices of those who came before us because we “only” feel the need to engage in civil non compliance. Maybe the disconnect is that some people think we can “spread awareness” and change hearts and minds? I personally think the ship has sailed on simply voting or advocating for a better vote on this issue. This is time for SCOTUS to intervene and correct the tyrannical will of our neighbors.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
These "sky is falling" interpretions that go beyond what is reasonable expected detract from the serious real problems in the bill. Might as well talk about how a bedded stock is a shroud to protect the hand from heat.

Look at the bright side - we can still have shoulder things that go up.
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It’s all relevant to the ridiculousness of the bill. This grip and shroud discussion is born out of the fact that the bill is horribly written. It’s just one more thing to fight this bill with.
 
The thing is usually in Massachusetts usually nobody has our backs as far as taking the stuff to court.. the exception of goal and may Comm2a.

I mean, the NRA has been completely useless except for sending out advertisements for fundraising.

This law is so bad if it’s not fought here it’s gonna spread like herpes.

I forget what the other two ORGs are called.. the one that protects the manufacturers/sales and the other one I can’t think of.

They all need to get together and fight this f***ing mess

You guys know I do security for a major firearms manufacturer… i’m sure they’re willing to comply with whatever but I don’t know how they could even figure out what they’re supposed to do. Usually they deal with the ATF. I have no idea what they’re gonna do with the state.

It’s pretty sad when you’ve been here over a century I guess it’s time for them to beat feet to another state
 
PappyM3 said:
It appears they removed bayonet lugs from the features.

Also, any surplus one is pre-94 so that is moot for surplus options.

Interestingly, it seems the new language bans threaded barrels that can accommodate flash hiders and brakes, but it doesn’t ban having a flash hider itself. So permanently welding a flash hider would technically be legal and would not be a feature.
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Only if it’s in the state already with an FA10 come 8/2.
 
I hate to admit it but panic buying as much as possible between now and the end of the month is starting to look like a reasonable move. It shouldn’t take long for prices to go nuts on the private market. And is that private market now exclusively NES, or some small handful of similar MA-centric sites?
 
not new guy said:
I hate to admit it but panic buying as much as possible between now and the end of the month is starting to look like a reasonable move. It shouldn’t take long for prices to go nuts on the private market. And is that private market now exclusively NES, or some small handful of similar MA-centric sites?
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Don’t be ashamed just don’t be stupid. All these listings are saying, get it now before it banned and asking outrageous prices.

There’s 10 days that you can’t buy magazines. It’s a f***ing buyers market right now, baby.

All these people who thought their stuff was worth something, especially people who left the state are screwed.. were the last state that pre-band even mattered and you could buy them.

So basically everybody who’s been charging rape prices for old shit is better off selling their shit for the cost of new shit or less because after this is over, nobody’s gonna want your old shit it’s beautiful..

I mean, I don’t agree with the law. I don’t need any more guns but I definitely could use some more magazines. I’m going Buckwild but I’m broke as f***. I had $10,000 cash. I probably buy 5000 magazines

Now, when you go out of state people got old shit it’s gonna be like the old days. We’re just gonna be in a box that you’re rummage through and buy whatever you want cause they still haven’t solved the face-to-face thing. I only need a few more magazines for shit I never use and will last me my lifetime my children’s lifetime their grandchildren lifetime Till the end of time until they confiscated it all..


But at the same time you got to figure every time I go to the range, I see more post band shit with people who have no idea
 
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