MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[FMH2016]

It gets convoluted, double checking the 1994 AWB’s Appendix A, the new MA law exempts the M1 Carbine and its copies. They are flat out not included in the definition of a salty gun.

But, for those rifles not exempted in the federal Appendix A, it’s not necessarily being FA10ed. The law stipulates “registered in accordance with section 121B”. A registration system in accordance with 121B doesn’t currently exist and won’t exist for the foreseeable future.

What about m1a or garands?

 

[Da_lucche]

One key part is the move from lawfully possessed to lawfully possessed within the commonwealth. They are cutting of the supply of preban from the rest of the country. So as of 8/1 there will be no option of buying a preban from another state, the supply will be limited to those already registered inside MA.

Pre ban lower in Classifieds! Bumperoni!!!

 

[Ron Jablonski]

If you're gonna panic buy anything, get ammo before november vs guns you dont 'need' before August.

Hard to argue with that.

 

[42!]

What about m1a or garands?

Garand isn't a detachable mag so it's not a problem. M1A has a mag but isn't pistol grip and as long as it doesn't have a bayonet lug you should be good. As long as it doesn't have some kind of tacticool stock.

In either case, don't carry a spare shoelace, that could be constructive possession

 

[Thatguy66]

If it’s not a preban (94) you incriminate yourself on the FA10 with the 2016 enforcement and now to be in wonky legislation.

Some new shit about 22LR and easily convertible adds more booby traps.

Any further insight into this “easily convertible” language in the new bill?

 

[not new guy]

If you're gonna panic buy anything, get ammo before november vs guns you dont 'need' before August.

Yes, but whatever guns we can bring into MA before the end of the month might be the last infusion of decent new guns this state sees for a long time.

 

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[dixidawg]

Everything will be subject to the roster
Since there are only handguns on the roster, no shotgun or rifles of any kind will be available for commercial sale in Massachusetts until testing is developed and manufacturers comply.

No commercial sales in Mass. What about going to Kittery TP, purchasing one and bringing it home into Mass?

 

[doolz]

As discussed earlier, buying legal arms now will be protected constitutionally by Article 1 Section 10.

The bill’s cutoff at July 20, 2016 thereby making every assault style weapon purchased or assembled since illegal and therefore making instant felons of virtually every MA gun owner is completely. blatantly and foolishly, unconstitutional.

Article 1, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution explicitly restricts states from enacting certain types of laws. Among these prohibitions is the passing of “ex post facto” laws. An ex post facto law is one that retroactively changes the legal consequences of actions that were committed before the enactment of the law.

The specific text states: “No State shall… pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts…”

This clause ensures that states cannot:

1. Retroactively Criminalize Conduct: States cannot pass laws that make an act a crime after it has been committed. For example, if an action was legal at the time it was performed, a state cannot later pass a law making that action illegal and then prosecute individuals who performed the act before the law was passed.

2. Increase Punishments Retroactively: States cannot enact laws that increase the punishment for a crime after it has been committed. If a person committed an offense and was sentenced under the laws in place at that time, the state cannot later pass a law that imposes a harsher penalty and apply it to that person.

3. Change Legal Consequences Retroactively: States are prohibited from passing laws that alter the legal consequences or statuses of actions taken in the past. This includes laws that might change the legal status of a person or the results of previous legal actions.

The prohibition against ex post facto laws is rooted in the principle of fairness and the protection of individuals from arbitrary and vindictive legislation. It ensures that individuals have notice of the laws and the consequences of their actions at the time they act, thus protecting them from retroactive legislative changes.

Great post. Well thought out and understandable.

 

[doolz]

Also, not sure if it's been asked.... wonder what FPC thinks about this.

 

[EJFudd]

Any further insight into this “easily convertible” language in the new bill?

From the bill:

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip
or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than 10
rounds of ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; or (ii) any part or combination of parts
from which a device can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or control of the same
person; provided, however, that “large capacity feeding device” shall not include: (a) any device
that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds of
ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; (b) an attached tubular device designed to accept and
capable of operating only with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition; or (c) a tubular magazine that is
contained in a lever-action firearm or on a pump shotgun.

Looks like BloomingTurd's lawyers wrote the part in black.

On the plus side, the part in red now makes it clear that post-ban magazines permanently altered down to 10 rounds will be legal.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

No commercial sales in Mass. What about going to Kittery TP, purchasing one and bringing it home into Mass?

Depending on the final language that could be a no go. Also, KTP has no interest in dabbling in the gray area of MGL's, my guess would be don't hold your breath thinking that's an option.

 

[EJFudd]

No commercial sales in Mass. What about going to Kittery TP, purchasing one and bringing it home into Mass?

If I know the Kittery Trading Post, there will be no further sales of long guns to MA residents.

EDIT: RJ beat me to it.

 

[gunofthrones]

After 240 pages discussion, does any one of you know what this new law says?

 

[Rob Boudrie]

tomatically has the illegal two features. Doesn’t matter if it has a traditional stock or not.

This is an “assault type weapon” according to my interpretation of the new bill:
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FIFY

We do not know exactly how the system is going to interpret and encorce this law. Your guess is well reasoned, but is just that - a guess.

 

[June4th]

After 240 pages discussion, does any one of you know what this new law says?

 

[PappyM3]

FIFY

We do not know exactly how the system is going to interpret and encorce this law. Your guess is well reasoned, but is just that - a guess.

Fair, but it’s a literal interpretation.

 

[Woodsloafer]

No commercial sales in Mass. What about going to Kittery TP, purchasing one and bringing it home into Mass?

If I know the Kittery Trading Post, there will be no further sales of long guns to MA residents.

EDIT: RJ beat me to it.

Plus they now have a three day waiting period in Maine.

 

[VTski4x4]

From the bill:

“Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip
or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than 10
rounds of ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; or (ii) any part or combination of parts
from which a device can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or control of the same
person; provided, however, that “large capacity feeding device” shall not include: (a) any device
that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds of
ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells; (b) an attached tubular device designed to accept and
capable of operating only with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition; or (c) a tubular magazine that is
contained in a lever-action firearm or on a pump shotgun.

Looks like BloomingTurd's lawyers wrote the part in black.

On the plus side, the part in red now makes it clear that post-ban magazines permanently altered down to 10 rounds will be legal.

You better make sure you don't have the original followers in the safe though. That's part of it.

 

[LakeTrout]

On the plus side, the part in red now makes it clear that post-ban magazines permanently altered down to 10 rounds will be legal.

What is it about this that makes it a plus for gun owners in MA?

 

[LakeTrout]

After 240 pages discussion, does any one of you know what this new law says?

No. But I learned a bit about trannys.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

After 240 pages discussion, does any one of you know what this new law says?

Yes

 

[Ron Jablonski]

After 240 pages discussion, does any one of you know what this new law says?

Ben Dover posted a summary.

 

[Olympus Racing]

This shit is way to confusing

 

[Steve600]

Confused here…. So is a firearm that was transfered using EFA10 considered registered in this new law? Thanks

 

[Thatguy66]

This shit is way to confusing

The crazy part is that everyone in this thread is relatively well versed on the potential repercussions of this new law compared to what is likely the vast majority of MA gun owners and yet some how every gunowner in the state is supposed to wake up 8/2 and understand down to the “t” how to remain “law abiding” and not become a felon based on the countless hoops in this miles long book of infringing gibberish or else it’s “Gotcha!”

 

[JRLB]

No. But I learned a bit about trannys.

Manual or automatic?

 

[440Sixpack]

Ben Dover posted a summary.

Username checks out

 

[808]

Manual or automatic?

Manual of course!

 

[DJBrad]

Ok, for the pants shitters there are some radiological procedures to address your concerns.

See your primary care so they can order a Defogram or MR Enterography.


These procedures will diagnose your issues whether you have anal prolapse or some massive rectocele.


Don’t get a prolapsed anus or rectocele straining to understand this feculent law.