MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Sparky1911 said:
When was that the 70’s. There havnt been 1000 people at the state house for 2a related as long as I e been alive
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There's been at least one rally with a few thousand people. Doesn't matter. The antis running this stuff are frontally immune at the polls, sadly. All you can really try to do is influence the more moderate ones.
 
Sparky1911 said:
When was that the 70’s. There havnt been 1000 people at the state house for 2a related as long as I e been alive
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July 2016 was easily over 1K
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2014 also saw large numbers
 
Sparky1911 said:
I’ve met a lot of great guys here. Made some really good friends. So yes I tried to relax a bit
But you are correct. That is how I feel about 7/10 mass gun owners.
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That's not the point. The point is that mocking MA gun owners for taking this bill seriously makes you look like a clueless dick.
 
I sit here everyday looking at this thread and it amazes me that some think that letter writing their reps is where it is still at. Or gatherings at the statehouse etc. You need to wake up and realize where you the "massachusetts firearm owner" are right now. Sorry but the only thing we have left to do is open and not so open defiance of these law proposals. We really just need to absolutely not give a f... what these people think anymore. Really.They do not care about you the law abiding citizen and by their actions how are not have come to terms with that
We are all felons in waiting,which isthe way they want it...and will have it by god. We are in prison now,some just dont know it.
 
I called my state senator Michael O. Moore yesterday. His aid asked me what I thought was wrong with the bill. I said “the whole thing is unconstitutional and will cost tons of tax payer money in the ensuing court battle”. I tried not ramble on and on about the overall unconstitutionality of the whole thing. I then pointed out the lack of grandfather clause and the mental health and erpo issues with the law. The aid told me that senator Moore was making a motion that day to add the grandfather clause to the bill. Not sure if this is old news as a busy work day put me 8 pages back in this thread.
 
MrMajestic said:
I sit here everyday looking at this thread and it amazes me that some think that letter writing their reps is where it is still at. Or gatherings at the statehouse etc. You need to wake up and realize where you the "massachusetts firearm owner" are right now. Sorry but the only thing we have left to do is open and not so open defiance of these law proposals. We really just need to absolutely not give a f... what these people think anymore. Really.They do not care about you the law abiding citizen and by their actions how are not have come to terms with that
We are all felons in waiting,which isthe way they want it...and will have it by god. We are in prison now,some just dont know it.
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A huge portion of people in mass have literally already been doing that for years. That doesn't do anything either. "They" literally do not
care.

The danger with these laws is a chilling factor vs new gun owners and destruction of livlihood for dealers, above all else.

Absent sound legal action, "working the system through the front door" is about all you can do.
 
MrMajestic said:
I sit here everyday looking at this thread and it amazes me that some think that letter writing their reps is where it is still at. Or gatherings at the statehouse etc. You need to wake up and realize where you the "massachusetts firearm owner" are right now. Sorry but the only thing we have left to do is open and not so open defiance of these law proposals. We really just need to absolutely not give a f... what these people think anymore. Really.They do not care about you the law abiding citizen and by their actions how are not have come to terms with that
We are all felons in waiting,which isthe way they want it...and will have it by god. We are in prison now,some just dont know it.
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Agreed on it being too little too late for letters and gatherings. This will be fought in the courts.

Defiance will work for some but not for others. Individuals need to assess their own risk appetites and act accordingly. In MA they already have a registry of who has what (mostly), and individual licensing officers are still able to exercise some discretion as to who they give LTCs to, so the tools are there and ready for them to use against us whenever they decide they want to. For some that's going to be enough to drive them into complying. Lots of people talk big on the internet but plenty of others will fall in line. And that's without getting into the financial impact that a law like this will have on some. How many small businesses will be impacted? How many collectors will be unable to sell what they already own?
 
btnh6668 said:
And made zero difference since we will never get the media coverage. Phone calls and emails are probably more effective at this point.
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Money for lawyers (lots of it!) is the only thing that's potentially going to make any difference at all after this unconstitutional insanity gets passed and signed (and it will get passed and signed)... so get ready to dig deep... deeper than ever before. Just got to first identify who is going to take the lead, make the commitment and do the heavy lifting in litigating this mess. 🤔
 
I've been pretty much off line for a while - just needed some time to reset
Read this bill and there are a few prima facie errors along with the entire bill is unconstitutional - And a lot of it is pre-Bruen case law so there is no excuse about the case law not being fully explored.

This is not going to be solved in the legislature - open your wallet and get SFA, GOA, Comm2a and GOAL funded well enough to all hammer this all the way to SCOTUS.
In the meantime, big boy rules and keep you mouth shut (no "I won't comply" or "come and get it")

We need great plaintiffs - Female competitive shooters seem like a great start.
 
Thirwell1216 said:
At least Moms are getting excited about the bill:

Senate Lawmakers Introduce Comprehensive Legislation to Address Gun Violence in Massachusetts; Moms Demand Action, Students Demand Action Respond

BOSTON, MA – Today, the Massachusetts chapters of Moms Demand Action and Students Demand Action, both part of Everytown for Gun Safety’s grassroots network, issued the following statement commending Senate …
momsdemandaction.org momsdemandaction.org

Obviously they think Glock "switches" are legal items:

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They were incredibly ignorant during House committee testimony, literally crying about stuff that wasn't even part of the bill and about stuff that's already illegal. They know nothing but they sure are loud.
 
Yes on all above replys. I have been telling anyone if they were ever interested in a LTC , the time is now. By the time they are done with us,as far as instructors go. I am not paying 1000s of dollars to get cert. In First Aid, deescalation and DEI training. So i can teach it. After this shitshow passes ...oh and it will...you will have to charge $450 for a 2 day class if they want their Ltc. No thank you. The writing is on the wall, but some still cant read. You will have nothing says them, while they get to live with armed security details. F them
 
I got to stop reading this shit. Every time I read rallies do nothing, writing your senators won’t do anything. Just wait for lawers and give lots of money to goal or comm2- who SUCK. Makes me sick. If people had your values in 1776 we’d all be Brit’s.
Fckn joke.
I GUESS BY YOU PEOPLE THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO. MIND AS WELL JUST MOVE RIGHT.
 
Sparky1911 said:
I got to stop reading this shit. Every time I read rallies do nothing, writing your senators won’t do anything. Just wait for lawers and give lots of money to goal or comm2- who SUCK. Makes me sick. If people had your values in 1776 we’d all be Brit’s.
Fckn joke.
I GUESS BY YOU PEOPLE THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO. MIND AS WELL JUST MOVE RIGHT.
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The whole purpose of a rally is in the name. Its to rally attention on your particular subject. The media will never give us a fair shake. So other than the few people in boston who aren't liberal lunatics, who are you bringing attention to? The politicians are well aware based on calls and emails where we are at. So again I ask, in this state, what is your end goal? Believe it or not you will reach more people just posting on your social media feed about what's going on.
 
not new guy said:
Defiance will work for some but not for others. Individuals need to assess their own risk appetites and act accordingly. In MA they already have a registry of who has what (mostly), and individual licensing officers are still able to exercise some discretion as to who they give LTCs to, so the tools are there and ready for them to use against us whenever they decide they want to. For some that's going to be enough to drive them into complying. Lots of people talk big on the internet but plenty of others will fall in line.

And that's without getting into the financial impact that a law like this will have on some. How many small businesses will be impacted? How many collectors will be unable to sell what they already own?
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Nobody with a brain is scared of most of that stuff. most of us have seen this movie 28 times before. We're not "askeered" of the system. Thousands of people have already been deemed paper felons for over a decade for this or that. This isn't anything new. People with a brain know you can basically be a felon-in-waiting in this state if you happen to be owning a gun and you look the wrong way. We're used to that stuff. I could basically sit down with a questionnaire, interview 1000 gun owners in mass vs practices theyve undertaken, anonymize it (give someone a parcipant number rather than ID by name) grade those surveys, and then at the end of all of that you would easily find that hundreds of them have likely unknowingly committed paper gun felonies in mass- the laws here are so f***ed that it is trivially easy for any well meaning person to break them without knowing it.

The core of the problem is new gun owners are like infants with soft heads and barely developed brains. They will be unable to "get over" things like
this. And tons of gun shops/dealers/pay ranges and other entities face acute frontal legal risk from this garbage and it will
directly inhibit their business, and by proxy reduce or eliminate the services available to all shooters, many people will lose their livelihoods and
people will lose jobs. The antis goal with these kinds of bills is to create a climate of irrational fear and discourage ownership or purchase of firearms.
 
MrMajestic said:
Of course you can do something..Stop respecting the unconstitutional laws.
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A huge portion of people in mass already do that, but it does nothing WRT trying to protect newbs, ranges, dealers, and instructors and the like.... all of whom will get f***ing hammered by this shit because they can't drive around it easily due to their visibility.
 
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