Roadglide
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They did. I still have mine on my desk. Funny thing is I never had a bump stock. Didn’t even know what one was until after the whole Las Vegas incident. Total fishing expedition.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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Taipan01
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A $600.00 firearm is the cheapest you can buy in the state?
I'm 100% sure that "make a shitty incomprehensible bill and then add 93 incomprehensible amendments at the last minute to make the whole thing more confusing and difficult to follow" is the actual plan.
If I were in their place, it's exactly what I'd do.
- Make it hard to understand and overly restrictive
- Add amendments to "fix" the very worst of the original bill
- Add amendments that are far worse than the original bill
- profit!
This doesn't limit the criteria for being "under the influence", it expands it. Now, no matter how sober and clearheaded you are, you can fail for a high BAC, AND you can fail for appearing "under the influence" no matter how low your BAC is.
I have seen this. I am not talking about one number in the SN (which is probably very common), but everything except the make. Wrong caliber, wrong barrel, wrong color, wrong SN.
Legally on the roster.. With tax, etc... I rounded it up. Precise number I believe is irrelevant for the sake of my argument. It is not -that- much money for a state where median household income is over $90k. Money is not nor has been designed to be a main entry obstacle to gun ownership in MA.
If it is not on the roster it is illegal to buy?
Dude, you really need to sit back and do a lot of learning. Stop regurgitating this crap. Everything you posted in this thread is inaccurate. Everyrhing.
I suggest you delete all your roster posts in this thread before a noob gets confused. That is, if you care.
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Sure. And what people are saying is that you're not actually looking at how this affect others. You got yours; anyone who is not equally well situated doesn't matter.
So, here, let's consider an apartment-dwelling single parent. She doesn't own a car, so is required to take a class that is T accessible. We know she expects to spend $100 on the application, and $100 (old numbers) on the class. What other costs must she consider?
To attend the class, she needs childcare. Her kids are in school during the day, so that is covered - but that's when she works. Before she even finds out where she can go, she has to decide between missing a day of work or paying for a sitter. To attend her interview, she has to miss more work on a date that is at the whim of her CLEO. If she's in Brookline (or, previously, Boston) she'll take more time off work for her Moon Island test. And, you can't attend Moon Island, except by a car that you drove - no T, no bicycle, no cab.
So now it's not just "can you afford a new M&P and $200?" It's "can you afford up to three days off work, childcare, car rental ... and the above?"
Ooh. I thought it was just establishing that 0.08+ BAC and it’s illegal. As it stands with current law, I play it safe and go with zero. I’ll have to re-read the senate proposed bill.
Taipan01
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I think you need to review your pricing and what's available for less and that's just for new. Lots more in the used market, lots.
Let me simplify. Money is not the obstacle to purchase legally a handgun for self defense from the roster in MA.
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On the first page of our classifieds...
WTS - Taurus G3c
Like new put 2 mags thru it 250.00 with crossbreed holster Location Wareham ma
www.northeastshooters.com
WTS - S&W M&P 9 shied
Up for sale is my clean 9mm shield, comes with 4 mags, 2-8, 1-7 and 1-10 rounder. Price is 350$ Ffl transfer only on buyer Located in Taunton Ma Not sure why, but cant load many pictures ( too big )
www.northeastshooters.com
WTS - FMK Glock clone (Mass FFL)
THE MILL. Littleton Mass. Asking $360 brand new, never fired 1 x 10rd mag can ship to your dealer.
www.northeastshooters.com
WTT - WTT/WTS Kahr PM9 package
Kahr PM9 Package everything you need to start carrying concealed. Kahr PM9 is in very good condition and well maintained. 6mags, 2 quality holsters. Location: Franklin Ma Interested in trades. firearms, plate carrier $425 obo. FTF - Efa-10 Statement of Legal Compliance*: I will...
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but sorry, if you can't swing $1K to get started, you don't deserve to protect yourself or your loved ones
That’s not really fair. I know plenty of people that can’t swing $1k and care about their loved ones.
But we’re getting off topic…
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I bought my Mossberg MC2C for $250 brand new with night sites.
With 250 rounds of practice ammo, a 30 dollar IWB, and a few boxes of carry your nowhere near 1K.
... maybe. and unfortunate if you cant do it... but how is that different than if you cant afford first/last/security or mortgage at 7% and therefore you are homeless? or cant afford to spend $5000 for a reliable car to get you to/from work? those two mandatory expenses make the one time $1k for a gun seem like pocket change
Bottom line is that the new bill if passed will not reduce the ability of one to buy a handgun or shotty for self defense purposes given the income levels in MA. Therefore this argument is invalid. For everything else it will be a dumpster fire- that I have no doubts about.
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allen-1
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Um, I know this is NES - but I thought the basic conversation here was about the Senate bill?
Lots of the side conversations are interesting - but Mass residents have a more pressing/urgent concern - this bill and what you can do about it...
Lots of the side conversations are interesting - but Mass residents have a more pressing/urgent concern - this bill and what you can do about it...
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we're agreed.
Agnotology
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EJFudd
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I don't mean to be a basher (I really don't - not my style at all), but I am part of the elderly "retired poor" here in Massachusetts living on Social Security only plus sometimes I can scrape together a few bucks out of my pitifully small rollover IRA. My total annual income on a best case basis year is less than half the numbers you quote. And still I have been able to find occasional bargains in used guns as low priced as the $300 number you quoted earlier. Truth is that I've got to do some selling myself to pay some bills and make more donations... and a couple of the guns I'm selling probably won't even fetch $300.
Anyway, just so you are aware: Yes, people like me are out there... living in Massachusetts... the "retired poor"... and still doing the best we can to stay active and relevant in this sometimes expensive hobby.
Taipan01
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You're right and I blame myself for the last go around but some of this stuff is gold, like this for instance: "...cant afford to spend $5000 for a reliable car..." and a good set of wrenches buddy.
I'm truly sorry. that's the last one.
HorizontalHunter
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The only state in the country where you can’t directly purchase a CMP 1911.
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Roommates are a suboptimal but perfectly functional way for a person to find a home without carrying it on their own. I used to do 35 mile round-trip commute by bicycle.
I would never tell anyone they have to make the choices I've made, nor would I support locking them out of their fundamental right to self defense, simply because they don't have some arbitrary minimum amount of money lying around.
Heck - I could lawfully gift a handgun and ammo to someone, even in MA, provided they're licensed. In NH, this means they literally have a $0 barrier to entry.
Bottom line is you think you know how people live based on the median income in MA.
Whoever taught you about statistics should be ashamed.
I just phoned to ask that the vote on the bill be delayed until a public hearing can be held.Senator Spilka
State House
24 Beacon St.
Room 332
Boston, MA, 02133
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617-722-1077
Find My Legislator
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Before I got a word out, the person who answered the phone said, "You're calling about the gun bill, and you want the vote delayed until a public hearing can be held."
I said, "You're a mind reader."
"What town do you live in, and what is your name?"
I followed that up with an email to Karen.Spilka@masenate.gov and to the senator in whose district I live asking for the same.
We should probably focus our energy on this today, and get back to arguing on Saturday.
Agnotology
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Oh, agreed. I am not saying that the handgun roster is good although to be honest as long as the competition pistols are allowed having a pistol roster really only bothers me on 2A principle .
My observation was towards the poster that said Glocks will be (again) unobtainable to which I mused that Glocks are on the roster and most likely not going anywhere. That is all.
On a separate note - A sub-$300 pistol? Why on Earth would you want to subject yourself to such?
Some of us here that don't live in ivory towers still have to check milk prices.
Sub $300 pistol? I'll put my canik up against anything under $800.
It is .004 for CDL drivers all the time. They could set what ever they want I bet.
I don't mean to be a basher (I really don't - not my style at all), but I am part of the elderly "retired poor" here in Massachusetts living on Social Security only plus sometimes I can scrape together a few bucks out of my pitifully small rollover IRA. My total annual income on a best case basis year is less than half the numbers you quote. And still I have been able to find occasional bargains in used guns as low priced as the $300 number you quoted earlier. Truth is that I've got to do some selling myself to pay some bills and make more donations... and a couple of the guns I'm selling probably won't even fetch $300.
Anyway, just so you are aware: Yes, people like me are out there... living in Massachusetts... the "retired poor"... and still doing the best we can to stay active and relevant in this sometimes expensive hobby.
I understand your predicament as I am not far behind you.
But my question to -you- is- do you have one handgun (for self-defense) and if you add up all your guns would they amount to over $1000?
You dont have to answer me ...
HARRYM
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Plenty of my 99s I couldn't afford but I wanted them....and therein lies the problem....
EJFudd
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I'll take this off-line to a PM so as not to further degrade the thread. You may be a bit surprised at the answer.I understand your predicament as I am not far behind you.
But my question to -you- is- do you have one handgun (for self-defense) and if you add up all your guns would they amount to over $1000?
You don't have to answer me ...
Yes- is there another quick and dirty fact/numbers-backed method of determining? I am not aware of it if any.
EJFUdd is correct. I will stop derailing the thread. Besides, I think I said what is on my mind.
That's essentially what I got on Monday. One thing I emphasized is not only to table the bill, but there be ample notice for the public meeting vs. trying to cram it in before Feb. 1. I also reached out to my COP via email and phone on Monday regarding his stand on the bill. Crickets so far.
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