MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[pastera]

These are the models with the Magpul killy evil stocks

19122 - Threaded Barrel, 6 Position Stock, 17 round magazine
19124 - Threaded Barrel, 6 Position Stock, 10 round magazine - I have seen people at the range with this model who claim to have bought it in MA. I personally have seen one of these for sale in a LGS and the proprietor claimed it was legal.
19126 - No Threaded Barrel, Fixed Stock, 10 round magazine - This is what has been available in MA

There are several more models that are MA compliant that have more traditional looking fixed stocks.

I misread the copies and duplicates wording and thought it was the same as the house bill therefore if a manufacturer offered a non-compliant version then all the versions were considered AW

In the end the only thing that matters to them is if it is a gun - if so, then ban.

 

[VTski4x4]

I bet the state grandfathers these.

 

[bigbravehog]

Doctor: Do you have any firearms in your home?

NES :It's none of your business.

FIFY

 

[bigbravehog]

Meanwhile not only will criminals continue carrying wherever they want but the state will have them out without bail in minutes if caught.

what criminals think of our laws

 

[nm1]

Amendment 11.1 only protects things from pre 2016 from being copies or duplicates of enumerated weapons. So the feature test still applies AND the new language about no compliance work applies.

So all your pre 2016 while not copies or duplicates, if they had any compliance work done they are now ILLEGAL.

The grandfathering essentially grandfathered nothing.

So in this case: post 2016 if you bought a 16” Tavor and had it pinned it’s a no-go but if you got the 18” Tavor with the factory brake (the factory post-ban sku) it’s Ok?

Also, I thought this clause in 11.1:
… that the previous proviso shall not apply to copies and duplicates of a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of said clause (i) that were sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016”

With the previous provision being C&D and compliance work, exempted the pre-2016s that were ‘registered’ from the compliance work ban provision?

 

[DitchDigger]

Does Comm 2A have any input on this ?

 

[bigred460]

ALL YOUR RILFES ARE ILLEGAL

All subject to change when they reconcile with the house, but the current grandfathering language essentially grandfathers nothing.


True preban is still there. Pre 13-sep-1994 weapons can be as evil as you like.

All post 7/20/16 weapons need to be factory compliant with the new AWB and all cools guns are copies or duplicates and therefore illegal. No ARs. No AKs, etc. NO COMPLIANCE WORK so good luck finding a SKU from the manufacturer that works. I found a NJ compliant tavor x95 that would work. There are some Ruger PCCs that are factory compliant. After that I can’t find much for semi auto rifles.

The new grandfathering covers 1994-2016 weapons. The problem is that all it does is say they are not copies or duplicates. So your AR is not a copy or duplicate and automatically banned. The problem is that the no compliance work clause is still in effect. So all those cool pre Healey guns you have that had their stocks fixed or a muzzle break installed and pinned and welded ARE NOW ILLEGAL.

The new grandfathering language essentially grandfathers NOTHING.

Let that sink in. I do not believe they understand what they did because they have proven themselves to be rather stupid about guns and the laws. But they have now passed a new AWB that makes 99% of existing semi auto rifles illegal with a vineer of grandfathering that you might naively think does something. It does nothing.

Been texting with Velis this morning to clarify the grandfathering. According to him anything legally owned now, purchased before or after 2016 is grandfathered. This whole mess still has to go to conference committee.

 

[milktree]

Wait a sec... what does "originally manufactured" even mean? If a rifle started out as a stripped lower (which meets AWB restrictions) and is built up using AWB compliant stuff, why is that not "originally manufactured" as AWB compliant?

 

[scott-o]

The 2016 b.s. holds no weight legally, they know this, it was one attorney's interpretation of the law, contrary to the numerous previous attorneys before her, never mind federal law that it was based on and every other state in the nation during the federal ban's interpretation.

She flexed on TV and sent a strongly worded letter to FFLs to look tough on guns so she could run for office, now everyone is scared to follow the existing law.

iANAL

 

[HKTony45]

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Are you 5?

Really? What do you think? It means your shit will be illegal (at least on the ground unless a a court issues an injunction or similar) and you are felon just like the rest of us. You can then decide to grow a set and keep your stuff, sell it out of state or surrender it for destruction assuming you did that before the enactment date of the law. If they do an emergency deal it will go in immediately but that's not typical. You have to wear big kid pants and make a decision. If any of this garbage keeps you awake at night you need to just sell all your shit to somebody else it will make you sleep easier.

MA gun laws = not great for caillous/worriers.

 

[Spartan65]

Been texting with Velis this morning to clarify the grandfathering. According to him anything legally owned now, purchased before or after 2016 is grandfathered. This whole mess still has to go to conference committee.

Is he a Republican because his amendments were pretty pro infringement.

Tell him to hang himself for me will ya?

 

[Mark from ?]

When the time for re-election comes, we should go all out to support any nut job running against every R that voted for this. I mean go door to door for them, hold signs, donate money and tell the R what a piece of sh*t they are. Take away their public trough livelihood and make them get real jobs. C*nts.

Yeah....like the R's are the problem. What all 3 of them?

Its the D's bro. Get rid of them.....

 

[bigbravehog]

Yeah....like the R's are the problem. What all 3 of them?

Its the D's bro. Get rid of them.....

Rs and Ds are two aides of the same coin.
They all suck

 

[Mark from ?]

The 2016 b.s. holds no weight legally, they know this, it was one attorney's interpretation of the law, contrary to the numerous previous attorneys before her, never mind federal law that it was based on and every other state in the nation during the federal ban's interpretation.

She flexed on TV and sent a strongly worded letter to FFLs to look tough on guns so she could run for office, now everyone is scared to follow the existing law.

iANAL

Yeah.....and are they gonna care?

You couldn't FA10 a lower because it wasn't and still isn't a firearm under MA law. So what. Now all those lowers are illegal even if you owned them before 2016. Suck a bat.

 

[not new guy]

Yeah....like the R's are the problem. What all 3 of them?

Its the D's bro. Get rid of them.....

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Is he a Republican because his amendments were pretty pro infringement.

Tell him to hang himself for me will ya?

We’re gonna need to trade the Huey in for an MI26. I’ll call Yakov now and make the arrangements.

 

[Mark from ?]

Rs and Ds are two aides of the same coin.
They all suck

My Central MA Repulican Senator and Rep never vote for this shit I have no problem with them.

But the are outvoted a million to 1 by D's.

 

[Mark from ?]

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No shit.....but people are talking about focusing energy on R's.....what the actual fxck.

I know we'll never get rid of them....why I'm moving bro!

 

[HKTony45]

View attachment 845949

Are you 5?

Really? What do you think? It means your shit will be illegal (at least on the ground unless a a court issues an injunction or similar) and you are felon just like the rest of us. You can then decide to grow a set and keep your stuff, sell it out of state or surrender it for destruction assuming you did that before the enactment date of the law. If they do an emergency deal it will go in immediately but that's not typical. You have to wear big kid pants and make a decision. If any of this garbage keeps you awake at night you need to just sell all your shit to somebody else it will make you sleep easier.

MA gun laws = not great for caillous/worriers.

The entirety of this post has been derailed by people looking to scape goat entire departments or taking actions that just in flame why people think we’re nuts.

So maybe just answer the question if you have the cognitive ability to do so with straight facts and not non sense, or internet tough guy trolling ok?

So again, I’ll ask in more simple terms for you:

If you own said property what are you required to do with it by this law period.

Thanks.

 

[yanici]

My D Rep. Dave Robertson always votes with us/GOAL. There are a few sane ones out there.

 

[Grendizer138]

No shit.....but people are talking about focusing energy on R's.....what the actual fxck.

I know we'll never get rid of them....why I'm moving bro!

The Rs are the only ones we have any influence over. And if one doesnt vote against this they need to be primaried.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

The entirety of this post has been derailed by people looking to scape goat entire departments or taking actions that just in flame why people think we’re nuts.

So maybe just answer the question if you have the cognitive ability to do so with straight facts and not non sense, or internet tough guy trolling ok?

So again, I’ll ask in more simple terms for you:

If you own said property what are you required to do with it by this law period.

Thanks.

Dispose of it- this is a current option - your police dept will happily take it from you for “disposal” and probably give you a receipt.

Sell it out of state. There is no law against this if done legally.

Move it out of state to another property thus putting it beyond MA reach.

I’m not trying to be obtuse, just not sure what other option could be available and why it’s necessary for them to enumerate the options.

 

[1903Collector]

The entirety of this post has been derailed by people looking to scape goat entire departments or taking actions that just in flame why people think we’re nuts.

So maybe just answer the question if you have the cognitive ability to do so with straight facts and not non sense, or internet tough guy trolling ok?

So again, I’ll ask in more simple terms for you:

If you own said property what are you required to do with it by this law period.

Thanks.

It's not a law yet, so who knows about any of it, until the final bill comes out and is voted on it's all just conjecture.

 

[HKTony45]

Dispose of it- this is a current option - your police dept will happily take it from you for “disposal” and probably give you a receipt.

Sell it out of state. There is no law against this if done legally.

Move it out of state to another property this putting it beyond MA reach.

I’m not trying to be obtuse, just not sure what other option could be available and why it’s necessary for them to enumerate the options.

That’s all I asked. Thanks.

 

[wildwest]

Been texting with Velis this morning to clarify the grandfathering. According to him anything legally owned now, purchased before or after 2016 is grandfathered. This whole mess still has to go to conference committee.

Did you send him the pics of him asking for a gun free Massachusetts?

 

[kalash]

When the time for re-election comes, we should go all out to support any nut job running against every R that voted for this. I mean go door to door for them, hold signs, donate money and tell the R what a piece of sh*t they are. Take away their public trough livelihood and make them get real jobs. C*nts.

Read the article. There are a total of four Rs in the Senate and only one of them voted for this.

So maybe just answer the question if you have the cognitive ability to do so with straight facts and not non sense, or internet tough guy trolling ok?

You have no idea who you're talking to

 

[Retsambew]

When they leaked all the transaction data I found out that I have guns traced to me that I don't own, as well as guns I've eFA10-ed not being in the system at all. It's a total mess of a system.

I recently requested a list of what is registered to me (cost me $25 dollars for them to run a simple database query and I had to it via snail mail - no acceptable reason why I couldn’t simply log in and run my own report in 2024) and the list was a total disaster. Items included that I don’t own any longer, items I never owned, random records with <NULL> values and things I have receipts for that aren’t there. All this despite my having NEVER not submitted an FA-10 or left the FFL with appropriate paperwork.

 

[RumRunner]

I recently requested a list of what is registered to me (cost me $25 dollars for them to run a simple database query and I had to it via snail mail - no acceptable reason why I couldn’t simply log in and run my own report in 2024) and the list was a total disaster. Items included that I don’t own any longer, items I never owned, random records with <NULL> values and things I have receipts for that aren’t there. All this despite my having NEVER not submitted an FA-10 or left the FFL with appropriate paperwork.

As already stated, it's not a registration list. It's a transaction list. So it will have any transactions in your name, regardless of the current disposition of that item. Of course that doesn't hep with the just plain bad data that may be in there, that is on them.

 

[Roadglide]

I’ve read as much as my brain will allow and I cringe to even ask this out loud but is there anything in this mess about ammo….. you know TS

 

[HKTony45]

Read the article. There are a total of four Rs in the Senate and only one of them voted for this.



You have no idea who you're talking to

I also don’t care.