MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[union]

As much as this bill sucks at least my Senator and Rep have been consistent no votes. Doesnt change anything but its there.

 

[PappyM3]

Seriously. If you understand taxes you understand that the amount you get back from charitable contributions is very small. The Trump Tax cuts put real cash in middle class Americans pockets.
…

Trump’s tax re-write he signed was anything but a cut for anybody who owned a house in a high cost of living area. Including lots of middle class. Basically it was specifically designed as a slap to blue states. Especially with the structure change about to happen that they built into it.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

Didn't a Mass list get leaked accidentally about a year ago?

Yes, but "accidentally" is the wrong word.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Didn't a Mass list get leaked accidentally about a year ago?

Lol @ "accidentally"

 

[rep308]

Who will have a LOWER compliance rate, MA or IL with these laws?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZmC-VWEts

 

[Rat187]

Yes, but "accidentally" is the wrong word.

After I posted, I remembered I forgot to put quotes in it...lol

 

[Broc Tuah]

Who will have a LOWER compliance rate, MA or IL with these laws?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZmC-VWEts

I will guess IL. The Midwest is a different world.

 

[Shire Guy]

I would love for someone to post here when the NRA talks about what is going on in MA in one of their magazines or whatever they send people now.

I am serious, I want to see what they have to say about MA. It seems they always talk about other States.

NRA-ILA | Massachusetts: Senate Passes Sweeping Gun Control Without Public Hearing

On Thursday, February 1st, the Senate passed S.2572 late in the night without the bill ever receiving a public hearing, ignoring the concerns of Minority Leader Bruce Tarr and second amendment advocates across the state.

www.nraila.org

 

[Rat187]

After Biden got elected, I noticed some ominous changes at the VA, one of them was the nurse who is very familiar with and liked very much and she was 100% veteran and 100% a Trump supporter. I found out sometime later she was terminated and then later the story changed, "oh she cut herself". The mostly female staff staff really we're not the veteran friendly anymore. I was friends with the senior Doctor in the unit and he was pretty candid about what was going on.

 

[Mr.E]

Gunz bad, none fur u!

What you may have makes you a felon.

Wait by the door. The bus will be by soon to take you to Concord MCI.

looking for something a tad more useful for guidance.
Essentially a plain language breakdown.

 

[not new guy]

I will guess IL. The Midwest is a different world.

Did IL have a registration/transaction recording system before?

I wonder how accurate the compliance tracking is.

 

[MFSP101]

looking for something a tad more useful for guidance.
Essentially a plain language breakdown.

Goal is working on it as fast as they can. They will have as Plain a language as Possible.

 

[milktree]

Reading the GOAL summary of the "greatly expanded" Red Flag laws is jaw dropping. Who can file, basically anyone. This is where 'the man' gets an uninvited Mass State pass to enter into your house without a warrant search and seize all your firearms enter your house and look for non-compliance. I could tell you from hard experience that the court is willing to accept anything that the PoPo say is non-compliant, and you will be charged accordingly. In my case a .17HMR Volquartsen target rifle was quoted in court to be an assault rifle. I encourage you all to read the GOAL Red Flag summary very carefully.

https://www.goal.org/resources/HD4607RedFlagSummary.pdf

Ugh... The GOAL summary s disingenuous and misleading. I'm not going to defend the addition of all the new people who can red-flag you, but this part is really important:

...a provider who has provided health care services to the respondent within the preceding 6 months;

It's not "basically anyone", it's limited to the same people as before, with the addition of a bunch of heath care people WHO HAVE TREATED YOU WITHIN SIX MONTHS

It's line 176, under the definition of "petitioner".

EDIT:

Also, I can't find anything in current law, the bill, or any of the amendments adding school principals, college administrators, or employers to the list of possible "petitioners" If that's in there somewhere, a reference would be really useful.

EDIT 2:

I'm talking about the SENATE bill, S.2572, not the House bill, HD.4607. The GOAL link above is about the House bill.

 

[alx]

Just realized that the upcoming fcukery can be best described with this scene from a favorite movie taking place... in Boston of course... how fitting


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_472swZhB2c

 

[alan226]

If people spent 1/20th of their time calling/emailing their reps/senators, showing up for hearings or doing something useful other than posting on a forum this may have had a slight chance of not moving forward. Going online and ranting about it after the fact does absolutely nothing other than make people feel better.

You reap what you sow.....................

Says the guy criticizing people who post on a forum by posting on a forum...

 

[HARRYM]

Says the guy criticizing people who post on a forum by posting on a forum...

Lot of that going around today.........

 

[Devils Paintbrush]

There are progressive groups actively pushing Sotomayor to retire now.

I can't imagine how liberal her replacement could be right now in this political climate.

It would have negative consequences for sure in the aggregate for firearm owners.

 

[HARRYM]

We'll see as they say but red flag laws have always greatly concerned me as they can lack due process and can be launched at people without any real facts.

 

[Mr.E]

Goal is working on it as fast as they can. They will have as Plain a language as Possible.

Thanks, will keep a lookout.

 

[HARRYM]

The LinkedIn Pedophile contacted Jean Carroll and recruited her to file a false claim against Trump. Trump was found responsible in a civil trial without one shred of evidence except you look like a witch. Trump is now red flagged.

Anti-gun people view red flag accusations as just a way to enhance gun bans.....see....we never banned guns....just the person.

Massachusetts greatly expanding the prohibited rules to reach back and deny 2A rights is just simply a different version of red flag laws.

It's an insidious perversion of taking away peoples rights and freedoms.....but its what Leftists do.

 

[Toast]

EDIT 2:

I'm talking about the SENATE bill, S.2572, not the House bill, HD.4607. The GOAL link above is about the House bill.

The senate bill was passed as an amendment to the house bill, so the number both chambers are using going forward from here reverts to the house number.

 

[bigbravehog]

Thank you.

But none of the linked stories say anything about the NRA supporting local organizations and promising to fight it. Looks like they copied and pasted a few bullet points from GOAL.

From what I understand, the NRA works closely with Comm2a.

 

[not new guy]

I’ll take back all the shit I give the NRA on here if they get involved in this mess and make a difference.

 

[DW357]

I’ll take back all the shit I give the NRA on here if they get involved in this mess and make a difference.

I will say I was surprised when they had someone from the NRA testifying in person at the hearings back in October

 

[tRick]

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Not sure how long you've lived in MA, or if you've ever voted here... the state is practically 100% run by progressive leftist Dims.. They'll do what they want, bicker a bit over details about the size of the dildo they want to ram up your ass, but in the end, bend over and lube up.. because you're getting something shoved up there..

and no amount of complaining, lobbying, calling, emailing, etc is gonna have any f***ing effect on it.. So..

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Not sure how long you've lived in MA, or if you've ever voted here... the state is practically 100% run by progressive leftist Dims.. They'll do what they want, bicker a bit over details about the size of the dildo they want to ram up your ass, but in the end, bend over and lube up.. because you're getting something shoved up there..

and no amount of complaining, lobbying, calling, emailing, etc is gonna have any f***ing effect on it.. So..

View attachment 846107


Not sure how long you've lived in MA, or if you've ever voted here... the state is practically 100% run by progressive leftist Dims.. They'll do what they want, bicker a bit over details about the size of the dildo they want to ram up your ass, but in the end, bend over and lube up.. because you're getting something shoved up there..

and no amount of complaining, lobbying, calling, emailing, etc is gonna have any f***ing effect on it.. So..

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Not sure how long you've lived in MA, or if you've ever voted here... the state is practically 100% run by progressive leftist Dims.. They'll do what they want, bicker a bit over details about the size of the dildo they want to ram up your ass, but in the end, bend over and lube up.. because you're getting something shoved up there..

and no amount of complaining, lobbying, calling, emailing, etc is gonna have any f***ing effect on it.. So..

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View: https://youtu.be/HjPgdhRsGIQ?si=37aGMNPgXxKCu9YI

 

[Rat187]

Ugh... The GOAL summary s disingenuous and misleading. I'm not going to defend the addition of all the new people who can red-flag you, but this part is really important:



It's not "basically anyone", it's limited to the same people as before, with the addition of a bunch of heath care people WHO HAVE TREATED YOU WITHIN SIX MONTHS

It's line 176, under the definition of "petitioner".

EDIT:

Also, I can't find anything in current law, the bill, or any of the amendments adding school principals, college administrators, or employers to the list of possible "petitioners" If that's in there somewhere, a reference would be really useful.

EDIT 2:

I'm talking about the SENATE bill, S.2572, not the House bill, HD.4607. The GOAL link above is about the House bill.

iANAL....lol

 

[tRick]

Do you dress like a clown too? If you believe that any of this actually matters in this state then you’re as dumb as your name sake wall mounted fish. What a ridiculously naive take.

View: https://youtu.be/uZpDFgZx7SQ?si=HFg_K4pN7KXbC1RV

 

[Harry Christopher]

Anti-gun people view red flag accusations as just a way to enhance gun bans.....see....we never banned guns....just the person.

Massachusetts greatly expanding the prohibited rules to reach back and deny 2A rights is just simply a different version of red flag laws.

It's an insidious perversion of taking away peoples rights and freedoms.....but its what Leftists do.

And speaking of the Constitutional civil right to defend your home and family.......

 

[HARRYM]

And speaking of the Constitutional civil right to defend your home and family.......

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With a Leftist SCOTUS the Constitution will end.

 

[milktree]

The senate bill was passed as an amendment to the house bill, so the number both chambers are using going forward from here reverts to the house number.

Indeed. That doesn’t change the fact that the GOAL link doesn’t apply to anything in current law, the Senate bill, or any of its amendments. It’s left over from the original House bill.

It would be really helpful to those of us who want to read the actual text to have references in addition to the summary.