MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[sschevy]

If all the gun owners voted and we had a better candidate....we would have won. I mean this respectfully, but mindsets like yours is why we keep losing. We can make a difference but it involves showing up. Something the liberals do and we don't.View attachment 846532

That’s using the assumption that ALL gun owners think the same way you do , it’s simply not true

And even if ALL 500k gun owners voted for Diehi and you you kept the 800k votes in place as non gun owners your math still doesn’t line up

It’s not a mindset that’s the problem, it’s simple math and the actual fact that not all gun owners share the same thoughts

 

[Junior314]

That’s using the assumption that ALL gun owners think the same way you do , it’s simply not true

And even if ALL 500k gun owners voted for Diehi and you you kept the 800k votes in place as non gun owners your math still doesn’t line up

It’s not a mindset that’s the problem, it’s simple math and the actual fact that not all gun owners share the same thoughts

This.

Plus Diehl was a wet noodle. His campaign was pathetic. I’ve met him, he was my state rep at one time. Nice guy but even if he was a great candidate by NES standards he’d never be elected in this state.

 

[Asaltweapon]

That’s using the assumption that ALL gun owners think the same way you do , it’s simply not true

And even if ALL 500k gun owners voted for Diehi and you you kept the 800k votes in place as non gun owners your math still doesn’t line up

It’s not a mindset that’s the problem, it’s simple math and the actual fact that not all gun owners share the same thoughts

I know plenty of gun owners who vote solid D no matter what. I find that amazing.

 

[VTski4x4]

I know plenty of gun owners who vote solid D no matter what. I find that amazing.

Next time you chat with any of them, please tell them they're a bunch of f***ing Kunts for me. Thanks.

 

[sschevy]

I know plenty of gun owners who vote solid D no matter what. I find that amazing.

Yep , can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone say they don’t like the candidate but they MUST vote for the party

 

[71montess]

100%

The amount of people that come into my store and say

“I can’t believe they let you sell those automatic AR15’s to regular people”

as they point at the $199 black synthetic maverick 88 pump shotgun

It’s nauseating

I know you need customers, but I’d soo like to hear you said you told those jackwads to GTFO.

 

[drgrant]

I know plenty of gun owners who vote solid D no matter what. I find that amazing.

I don't.

You guys need to shed this weird halcyonic/pie in the sky belief that "gun owner = rkba advocate" as it's not well represented in reality. "The average johnny 1 box, doesn't carry" or "shoots trap only on Sundays when its 60-80F" type doesn't care about gun laws almost by default. Of course there's a % that will care.... after it's way too late.

If a majority of gun owners considered gun rights important in this country this bill wouldn't exist....and antis would be derided on the level of child molesters. The social pressure against antis would be immense, and crushing. It simply is not, because in huge swaths of this country, people just don't give a shit...

 

[sschevy]

I know you need customers, but I’d soo like to hear you said you told those jackwads to GTFO.

Normally I just say

“I shot my first pheasant with one of those guns when I was 7 years old”

And they get completely confused

I could turn them away , and on a couple occasions over the years I have , but it’s much more satisfying taking their money and selling them the Ruger LC9 they came looking for

 

[71montess]

That’s using the assumption that ALL gun owners think the same way you do , it’s simply not true

And even if ALL 500k gun owners voted for Diehi and you you kept the 800k votes in place as non gun owners your math still doesn’t line up

It’s not a mindset that’s the problem, it’s simple math and the actual fact that not all gun owners share the same thoughts

Lots of lefty voters on this forum, just pay attention to who they are.

 

[Dadstoys]

MA gun owners have been doing that for as long as I’ve been aware. It’s gotten worse decade after decade. Not better. That’s not going to work.

You wouldn't be fishing for people to respond to your posts with something that would draw L.E. attention by any chance would you ?

 

[Dadstoys]

This is all spot on, and the bolded part is the most egregious.


I thought they already did that not long ago.

Not being a lawyer , I wonder if that itself would play a part in a court case .
Shows ill intent if you are bypassing procedure to cut voters out of the process .

 

[LakeTrout]

You wouldn't be fishing for people to respond to your posts with something that would draw L.E. attention by any chance would you ?

No. Just stating my observation.

 

[silversquirrel]

100%

The amount of people that come into my store and say

“I can’t believe they let you sell those automatic AR15’s to regular people”

as they point at the $199 black synthetic maverick 88 pump shotgun

It’s nauseating

Agree. Those shotguns are worth at least $250

 

[Dadstoys]

No. Just stating my observation.

Myself as well.

 

[DW357]

100%

The amount of people that come into my store and say

“I can’t believe they let you sell those automatic AR15’s to regular people”

as they point at the $199 black synthetic maverick 88 pump shotgun

It’s nauseating

 

[426wedge]

I keep my mouth shut Reading all this...As a result, I am going blind.......I just want to be left alone, but apparently I won't be. Too old to go gung ho any more. But hey, I can wring out the bandages For you young bucks when the shit hits the fan. if this was 1966 maybe different story sure

 

[btnh6668]

That’s using the assumption that ALL gun owners think the same way you do , it’s simply not true

And even if ALL 500k gun owners voted for Diehi and you you kept the 800k votes in place as non gun owners your math still doesn’t line up

It’s not a mindset that’s the problem, it’s simple math and the actual fact that not all gun owners share the same thoughts

Holy shit people take everything literal. Im just trying to point out that we CAN change things in this state. Instead we have the attitudes of many in here of the sky is falling and there is nothing we can do. There most definitely is something you can do. Try to get 3 more people to vote this year. Then 3 more people the year after. That is doing something. Having a defeatist attitude is dangerously contagious and does ZERO to help anything or anyone. Stop with the excuses. Lets actively push more people in our lives to vote. One f***ing person at a time.

 

[AmeriKHAN]

Holy shit people take everything literal. Im just trying to point out that we CAN change things in this state. Instead we have the attitudes of many in here of the sky is falling and there is nothing we can do. There most definitely is something you can do. Try to get 3 more people to vote this year. Then 3 more people the year after. That is doing something. Having a defeatist attitude is dangerously contagious and does ZERO to help anything or anyone. Stop with the excuses. Lets actively push more people in our lives to vote. One f***ing person at a time.

Agree 100%. Politics is not a spectator sport.

 

[Toast]

If all the gun owners voted and we had a better candidate....we would have won. I mean this respectfully, but mindsets like yours is why we keep losing. We can make a difference but it involves showing up. Something the liberals do and we don't.View attachment 846532

What candidate? I watch the news every morning while stuck on the damn treadmill. Healey ads ad nauseum. Never saw a single Diehl ad during the general election. Not one.

 

[sschevy]

Holy shit people take everything literal. Im just trying to point out that we CAN change things in this state. Instead we have the attitudes of many in here of the sky is falling and there is nothing we can do. There most definitely is something you can do. Try to get 3 more people to vote this year. Then 3 more people the year after. That is doing something. Having a defeatist attitude is dangerously contagious and does ZERO to help anything or anyone. Stop with the excuses. Lets actively push more people in our lives to vote. One f***ing person at a time.

I’ve been doing it for 30 years and I know for a fact when they go in the booth they

(A) vote on the issues that matter to them , not me.

Or

(B) they vote for whoever they were brainwashed and conditioned to vote for by the media

This assault on our rights has been on going in massachusetts since 1968 , I’m not giving excuses , but I’m also not living a fantasy that thing will get better by talking 3 people into voting on my issues

Gun owners are , by a very large margin, the minority here in Massachusetts

 

[btnh6668]

What candidate? I watch the news every morning while stuck on the damn treadmill. Healey ads ad nauseum. Never saw a single Diehl ad during the general election. Not one.

That's why I said "a better candidate". I never got the real impression Diehl wanted to win. He just spoke in echo chambers. Never put himself out there. Hopefully we can get new blood with some backing. None the less that involves donations and participation.

 

[pinefd]

This is all spot on, and the bolded part is the most egregious.

While public hearings/discussion might make us feel a little better, you know damn well that they may pretend to "listen" to what is said, but at the end of the day, they don't give a sh!t about what we say, and will go ahead and vote for this crap anyway.


Frank

 

[milktree]

I know plenty of gun owners who vote solid D no matter what. I find that amazing.

The thing about Massachusetts is that it's a very liberal state, not just about guns. That means that if you want pro-gun rights candidates to be successful, they have to be pro-2A AND liberal on social/economic issues.

The "R" candidates we have kinda suck, they run with platforms they think should win, but don't because most Mass. voters can't stomach an anti-immigration, anti-choice, anti (or at least not pro) GLBT rights, anti public-services candidate.

If someone who was as left as Healy on everything but guns and similarly articulate were to run, they'd probably do reasonably well.

But that leads to two problems:

1) fails the Democratic party purity test of being virulently anti-gun
2) fails the Republican party purity tests on everything else.

Which leaves us with ... what we have now.

 

[barnabus]

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[mphre]

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Innovation?

 

[Goliathan]

Gun owners are , by a very large margin, the minority here in Massachusetts

I don't think any rational person denies that we're the minority. It's whether we are willing to do anything in the face of such odds that defines the differences between many of us. We can choose to fight, leave, or wait to be overtaken.

I am just as aware of the situation as anyone, but fatalism just isn't my bag.

 

[42!]

I don't think any rational person denies that we're the minority. It's whether we are willing to do anything in the face of such odds that defines the differences between many of us. We can choose to fight, leave, or wait to be overtaken.

I am just as aware of the situation as anyone, but fatalism just isn't my bag.

fatalism=there is no way to fix this
reality=raw votes won't fix this so we have to find another way
phantasy=if all gun owners would just vote one way the problem would be solved

 

[Qwikdraw45]

Holy shit people take everything literal. Im just trying to point out that we CAN change things in this state. Instead we have the attitudes of many in here of the sky is falling and there is nothing we can do. There most definitely is something you can do. Try to get 3 more people to vote this year. Then 3 more people the year after. That is doing something. Having a defeatist attitude is dangerously contagious and does ZERO to help anything or anyone. Stop with the excuses. Lets actively push more people in our lives to vote. One f***ing person at a time.

Gunowners are our own worst enemy. In 2018 I worked in VT, but lived in NH. Two co-workers were also from my town in NH. One was big into deer hunting and bird hunting with dogs. He was too busy to vote, and "it wouldn't make any difference". The other one owned guns, but was also too busy and didn't think it would make any difference.

 

[slipknot]

Not shocked since he jumped on the red flag crap.
He got his Dem reach around apparently.
Hope no one forgets when he's up for re-election and making the tour to tell us how much he's on "Our side"
My local rep stopped by when he was up last time when my wife and I were out working in the yard.
I said , you voted in favor of the red flag law didn't you ?
He stammered a few lame assed excuses and I told him nice talking to you .
He lost his seat by a hand full of votes.
Too bad , so sad.
You vote like them you are one of them.

Be sure to tell that story to Tarr the Traitor

 

[p..]

Be sure to tell that story to Tarr the Traitor

His vote wasn't going to matter. I suspect he is hoping to get on the conference committee where he may actually have a chance to have an effect.

edit to add the following:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/the-legislative-process-0/download

Conference Committee

When a stalemate develops between branches over an amended Bill, a Conference Committee is estab-
lished to try to resolve the disagreement. A Conference Committee is made up of three legislators
from each branch, chosen by the Speaker of the House and the Senate President. Two of the mem-
bers are chosen from the majority party; the remaining member is selected from a minority party.
Usually the Chairperson of the Committee where the Bill originated from is selected as the
Chairperson of the Conference Committee. This selection is often made to acknowledge the
Chairperson's expertise and knowledge of the subject area.

Conference Committee members are expected to uphold the position of their prospective branches.
However, each Conference Committee is responsible for working out a compromise that both branch-
es can agree upon. Once a majority of Conference Committee members reach an agreement a
Conference Report is sent to the floor from which the Bill originated. A Conference Report cannot be
amended; it can be only accepted or rejected by this branch and sent to the other branch for accep-
tance or rejection. Conference Reports that are accepted by both branches are sent to the Governor
for signature or veto. Rejected Conference Reports are sent back to the Conference Committee for
further negotiations.