MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Goliathan]

His vote wasn't going to matter. I suspect he is hoping to get on the conference committee where he may actually have a chance to have an effect.

The conference committee always has at least one member of the minority party from each chamber. there are only four "republicans" in the Senate and he's the minority leader.

He really doesn't need to jockey for position. I personally think his vote had other motivations.

 

[p..]

The conference committee always has at least one member of the minority party from each chamber. there are only four "republicans" in the Senate and he's the minority leader.

He really doesn't need to jockey for position. I personally think his vote had other motivations.

I could certainly be wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

He was pretty vocal on Thursday. I would not be surprised to see him passed over for the committee just so they can get someone less feisty. Although it may not matter because I don't believe they need a consensus on the committee to move forward. On the 6 person committee they just need a majority of 4 votes which they have even if it's split right down the party line. Day will be the chair person. I went to the first gun law listening tour event last winter and watched him get the ball rolling myself. I believe he is bought and paid for.

edit to add: so if there's any hope of stalling this, we need to flip one of the democrats on the committee

 

[Goliathan]

I could certainly be wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

He was pretty vocal on Thursday. I would not be surprised to see him passed over for the committee just so they can get someone less feisty.

Again, speaking only for myself here, but when Tarr read the "hard" questions , Creem read her answers to his questions from a piece of paper. Had the smell of predestination about it.

 

[drgrant]

Holy shit people take everything literal. Im just trying to point out that we CAN change things in this state. Instead we have the attitudes of many in here of the sky is falling and there is nothing we can do. There most definitely is something you can do. Try to get 3 more people to vote this year. Then 3 more people the year after. That is doing something. Having a defeatist attitude is dangerously contagious and does ZERO to help anything or anyone. Stop with the excuses. Lets actively push more people in our lives to vote. One f***ing person at a time.

Vote for who? In most MA races* its "Shit vs Poop" unless you guys are talking write in campaigns for vermin Supreme or something.

There are a handful of races where there's exceptions but most of these are in non cup districts. And right now the moobats are trying to figure out how to gerrymander those seats out of existence too, because they can't deal with not having total domination.

Ever wonder why Barney Frank's old comgressional district resembles a chain of small islands that the United States captured from Japan during World War II? It's because they were doing that shit to cut the balls off of the South Coast... because there's a large swath of moderates and conservatives in that region.

 

[mothybee]

The only real hope of escaping this is to get the pissing match going between the house and senate again.

 

[HARRYM]

I keep my mouth shut Reading all this...As a result, I am going blind.......I just want to be left alone, but apparently I won't be. Too old to go gung ho any more. But hey, I can wring out the bandages For you young bucks when the shit hits the fan. if this was 1966 maybe different story sure

You are never too old.

 

[HARRYM]

I don't think any rational person denies that we're the minority. It's whether we are willing to do anything in the face of such odds that defines the differences between many of us. We can choose to fight, leave, or wait to be overtaken.

I am just as aware of the situation as anyone, but fatalism just isn't my bag.

It's why national elections matter to us.

 

[Mark from ?]

fatalism=there is no way to fix this
reality=raw votes won't fix this so we have to find another way
phantasy=if all gun owners would just vote one way the problem would be solved

All apply here......there is really no way to fix this because the reality is that we are overrun and severely outvoted no matter how we as gun owners vote. Fighting here and possibly losing everything I've worked for due to having to defend myself legally or being labelled a nut etc....not worth it for me. Fxck the state is NOT worth it....to me.

This is only guns either...really.....high taxes, bad weather, coddling illegals, crazy ass politicians, fuel and electricity insecurity policies.....etc.....all are included in this. Really a lot of it isn't gun stuff, but really what might be better for the future for me and my family.

I don't knock anyone its a personal decision.

 

[Mark from ?]

You are never too old.

Nothing is more powerful than an old dude with nothing to lose.

 

[HARRYM]

Nothing is more powerful than an old dude with nothing to lose.

They said that what made Doc Holiday very dangerous was not that he was real fast, fast enough, but accurate. Why he was truly dangerous, besides his temper, was that he knew he was dying, and had nothing to lose.

 

[VTski4x4]

View: https://x.com/comm2a/status/1753979998661210270?s=61&t=EcSDyeS9Jaqyu-4UuJJ5SA

Everytown Describes Lever-Actions as 'Deadly Innovation'

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Deadly innovation 200yrs old. Just goes to show you they're scared of looks. If you took a 1700s musket and put MLok on it, they'd shit their diapers.

 

[Taipan01]

Deadly innovation 200yrs old. Just goes to show you they're scared of looks. If you took a 1700s musket and put MLok on it, they'd shit their diapers.

The bright side is you can't get anything more Fuddy to open some other eyes as to what the true purposes are that they hold in store. C'mon on in boys, the waters fine.

 

[sweed]

I haven't logged into this site in years... just heard about this gun bill on another forum, had to jump back to see what is all about for my MA brethren.

 

[42!]

All apply here......there is really no way to fix this because the reality is that we are overrun and severely outvoted no matter how we as gun owners vote. Fighting here and possibly losing everything I've worked for due to having to defend myself legally or being labelled a nut etc....not worth it for me. Fxck the state is NOT worth it....to me.

This is only guns either...really.....high taxes, bad weather, coddling illegals, crazy ass politicians, fuel and electricity insecurity policies.....etc.....all are included in this. Really a lot of it isn't gun stuff, but really what might be better for the future for me and my family.

I don't knock anyone its a personal decision.

There is still hope. MA may be nothing more than a holding action at best, but at the Fed level there is still support for gun owners. I think Conn Carry is at 28 states, not bad at all. Sure, putting all the eggs in one place has risks but no more so than the state by state death that is already coming. Kill preemption and force reciprocity at the Fed level and the whole country changes overnight.

 

[Retsambew]

NRA-ILA | Massachusetts: Senate Passes Sweeping Gun Control Without Public Hearing

On Thursday, February 1st, the Senate passed S.2572 late in the night without the bill ever receiving a public hearing, ignoring the concerns of Minority Leader Bruce Tarr and second amendment advocates across the state.

www.nraila.org

So the NRA cut and pasted the Herald article…thank goodness. That makes me feel better. Please stop sending those frauds your money. Donate to an organization doing something about your rights being infringed - unless or course you really want the $4 baseball cap that was made in China or the cookie cutter magazine with the same regurgitated articles every two months. “NRA Legislative Update. Another State Tramples on its citizens rights, here’s how”. Join us for a mixer at SHOT show where we can talk about the private jets we flew in on. They’re really leaving it on the field for you.

 

[Goliathan]

So the NRA cut and pasted the Herald article…thank goodness. That makes me feel better. Please stop sending those frauds your money.

Literally not cut and pasted from the Herald, lists the GOAL bullet points and mentions GOAL by name with a link to GOAL's website.

 

[Joeldiaz]

There is still hope. MA may be nothing more than a holding action at best, but at the Fed level there is still support for gun owners. I think Conn Carry is at 28 states, not bad at all. Sure, putting all the eggs in one place has risks but no more so than the state by state death that is already coming. Kill preemption and force reciprocity at the Fed level and the whole country changes overnight.

Realistically there are only a few more states left that have the potential to adopt constitutional carry. The rest of them, they will never get constitutional carry unless it happens nationwide. Congress couldn’t get their act together to pass national reciprocity when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and Oval Office. SCOTUS isn’t planning on hearing another permitting case for a long time from now, there are other more important 2A issues to take care of at the moment. By the time they do, who knows if SCOTUS is still 2A friendly by then. Unfortunately I don’t think we see any form of nationwide constitutional carry or national reciprocity during any of our lifetimes.

 

[Retsambew]

iANAL....lol

Hate to break it to you but most large companies have the right to send you for a fitness for duty exam. This isn’t limited to “physical” issues. You make a joke (which is overheard by a middle aged woke liberal women who owns five cats). She goes to HR and says that you made her “uncomfortable” and she feels “threatened.” They choose the doc, the doc asks you if you own firearms, you (understandably) tell him that it’s none of his business. Note: he is also a woke liberal and married to a different woke middle aged woman with three cats and they have a teenaged son with green hair who believes that he’s a woke middle aged woman. The doctor tells the company that you were very defensive when asked about firearms and advises the company that you are not fit for duty. Company asks the doctor to “red flag” you because they are concerned from a safety perspective. Doctor obliges as he enjoys the all cash payments for these mostly meaningless examinations and couldn’t live with himself if that mean Trump voting gun owner did anything. Loop closed. If you don’t believe this already happens then you live a sheltered life and have ZERO idea about the state of corporate America. This proposed bill makes it even more likely as everyone, except maybe the receptionist, can report you. You guys need to wake up. We cannot give ONE. MORE. INCH.

 

[Retsambew]

Literally not cut and pasted from the Herald, lists the GOAL bullet points and mentions GOAL by name with a link to GOAL's website.

Oh, ok. You’re clearly delusional. Good luck with that. Hope you’re enjoying the engraved pocket knife that they duped you with. Keep writing them checks.

 

[Goliathan]

Oh, ok. You’re clearly delusional. Good luck with that. Hope you’re enjoying the engraved pocket knife that they duped you with. Keep writing them checks.

Hostile much? What I said is factually true.

 

[42!]

Realistically there are only a few more states left that have the potential to adopt constitutional carry. The rest of them, they will never get constitutional carry unless it happens nationwide. Congress couldn’t get their act together to pass national reciprocity when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and Oval Office. SCOTUS isn’t planning on hearing another permitting case for a long time from now, there are other more important 2A issues to take care of at the moment. By the time they do, who knows if SCOTUS is still 2A friendly by then. Unfortunately I don’t think we see any form of nationwide constitutional carry or national reciprocity during any of our lifetimes.

i'm trying to hold on to some hope here, give me a break

 

[Retsambew]

Realistically there are only a few more states left that have the potential to adopt constitutional carry. The rest of them, they will never get constitutional carry unless it happens nationwide. Congress couldn’t get their act together to pass national reciprocity when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and Oval Office. SCOTUS isn’t planning on hearing another permitting case for a long time from now, there are other more important 2A issues to take care of at the moment. By the time they do, who knows if SCOTUS is still 2A friendly by then. Unfortunately I don’t think we see any form of nationwide constitutional carry or national reciprocity during any of our lifetimes.

Bingo. Maybe three more Constitutional Carry states but that’s the absolute maximum. They are going to force Sotomayer to retire (thank God, as she may meet the medical definition of retarded) and appoint Kamala (pray to God, she clearly exceeds said definition) to clear the decks for when the Roomba needs to announce he’s not running. If Republicans don’t win the White House and Senate there won’t be a centrist court any longer and it’s game, set, match. This isn’t a doomist prediction it’s just reality. Meanwhile people on this forum believe that the NRA is doing a great job and is going to help them, that elections matter and that this law “isn’t so terrible.” We deserve to get our guns taken away if this is where we still are.

 

[HARRYM]

So the NRA cut and pasted the Herald article…thank goodness. That makes me feel better. Please stop sending those frauds your money. Donate to an organization doing something about your rights being infringed - unless or course you really want the $4 baseball cap that was made in China or the cookie cutter magazine with the same regurgitated articles every two months. “NRA Legislative Update. Another State Tramples on its citizens rights, here’s how”. Join us for a mixer at SHOT show where we can talk about the private jets we flew in on. They’re really leaving it on the field for you.

Thanks, very helpful. Now....if I could get your position on Trump.......

 

[Retsambew]

Hostile much? What I said is factually true.

Come back when you can see the forest through the trees. You’re “Hostile” I’m going to my safe space! Give a recent example of the NRA doing ANYTHING for MA firearms owners. I’ll wait…

 

[Mass-diver]

Bingo. Maybe three more Constitutional Carry states but that’s the absolute maximum. They are going to force Sotomayer to retire (thank God, as she may meet the medical definition of retarded) and appoint Kamala (pray to God, she clearly exceeds said definition) to clear the decks for when the Roomba needs to announce he’s not running. If Republicans don’t win the White House and Senate there won’t be a centrist court any longer and it’s game, set, match. This isn’t a doomist prediction it’s just reality. Meanwhile people on this forum believe that the NRA is doing a great job and is going to help them, that elections matter and that this law “isn’t so terrible.” We deserve to get our guns taken away if this is where we still are.

Thankfully there is a good chance Trump wins. Also, gun rights are in a better place than they have been in 50years (at the national level/looking at the county as a whole). It’s just the extreme blue states going the other extreme.

Also, I’m going over the summary, is there SBR stuff? I thought there was? (Apologies if this has been asked and answered already in the thread).

 

[HARRYM]

Hostile much? What I said is factually true.

Look, there are many time where I am truly convinced that the TDS sufferers got nothing on the NRADS sufferers. I mean, it's not just critical points but done with foam frothing from the mouth.

I'll never understand it.

 

[HARRYM]

Come back when you can see the forest through the trees. You’re “Hostile” I’m going to my safe space! Give a recent example of the NRA doing ANYTHING for MA firearms owners. I’ll wait…

Pssssttttttt.......keep this to yourself.....you have 13 post in 8 years......

 

[Goliathan]

Come back when you can see the forest through the trees. You’re “Hostile” I’m going to my safe space! Give a recent example of the NRA doing ANYTHING for MA firearms owners. I’ll wait…

Dude, you might want to have that lithium dose adjusted.

 

[HARRYM]

You know, ya, I'm getting up there but I have been around the block quite a few times. I also hold a Masters Degree in the school of hard knocks. I have run into mouth frothers many times over the last 50 years or so and 99.9% of the time when I press them firmly to tell me how many 2A rights organizations they belong to and support the answer is ZERO. NOTHING in my life has made me want to rip out what's left of the hair on my head than this.

 

[milktree]

Congress couldn’t didn't get their act together to pass national reciprocity when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and Oval Office.

Don't fool yourself. They don't care about guns rights, except as leverage to get their base to donate money and vote for them.

Don't believe me? Look at what they're doing now: Blocking Biden's attempt to build more boarder wall. "Why would they do that?" I hear you ask. Because it's part of Trump's campaign. Without it, there's no wedge issue to generate donations.

Guns are the same way. If we had national reciprocity or constitutional carry, they couldn't use "they're coming for your guns" as a reason to vote for them.