MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[BostonVI]

They're just way more organized than we are. We lost our rights (don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise with speculation about grandfathering) because we let most of the State House run unopposed.

Granted they hold so much institutional power, it won't be easy, but when so many of these reps stroll in because they're the only one on the ballot it just blows my mind.

 

[Nick Fury]

"No, doctor, I would NEVER own guns. Those are dangerous. Only the police and military should have them. "

Exactly. What is there to gain by proudly proclaiming it’s none of their business? I know it sounds good on NES but why give up anything they or someone else can use to screw you? Hell I tell them I’ve never smoked why would I want that on record for some insurance company to use against me?

 

[Yazz]

 

[drgrant]

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This is not the face or haircut of somebody you should ever trust to make the rules for your society.

"boiled, rotten ham"

 

[M60]

They're just way more organized than we are. We lost our rights (don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise with speculation about grandfathering) because we let most of the State House run unopposed.

Granted they hold so much institutional power, it won't be easy, but when so many of these reps stroll in because they're the only one on the ballot it just blows my mind.

Them being more organized than us has never been the problem. That we are outnumbered by such a great degree has always been the problem. We cannot vote them out of office with our small numbers. Thats it in a nutshell.

 

[tattoo72]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

 

[alx]

Them being more organized than us has never been the problem. That we are outnumbered by such a great degree has always been the problem. We cannot vote them out of office with our small numbers. Thats it in a nutshell.

This.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWUQzbYUqGA&t=9s

 

[VTski4x4]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

 

[drgrant]

Yup, I’ve heard of Bruen, Heller, Caetano, McDonald & Murdock and every single one has been totally disregarded by this state. You people really are crazy if you believe things are going great. They’re literally in the process of banning us from from carrying firearms in ANY building where “government administration occurs” (think about how broad that statement actually is) and are codifying that any town/city/municipality can enact further local restrictions. Tell me more about Bruen councilor. Listen, just keep sending them your hard earned money. A fool and their money were lucky to get together in the first place I guess…

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxGWuwj2v4

 

[Junior314]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

They don't care to enforce it IMO. Except maybe in convenient circumstances.

It's the long game. Continually erode 2A rights until they don't exist. Future generations won't have the same rights we did/do.

 

[drgrant]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

strongly worded letters.

 

[BostonVI]

Them being more organized than us has never been the problem. That we are outnumbered by such a great degree has always been the problem. We cannot vote them out of office with our small numbers. Thats it in a nutshell.

I don't disagree that we're outnumbered, but the people that care about taking away our rights are more organized than we are.

It helps that they have a receptive audience, but I can tell you first hand that they just play the game better.

 

[M60]

I don't disagree that we're outnumbered, but the people that care about taking away our rights are more organized than we are.

It helps that they have a receptive audience, but I can tell you first hand that they just play the game better.

I'll take your word for it. Their numbers verses ours are all I need to know to understand why we are where we are

 

[BillyBoy]

They don't care to enforce it IMO. Except maybe in convenient circumstances.

It's the long game. Continually erode 2A rights until they don't exist. Future generations won't have the same rights we did/do.

Future??? I've seen my 2a rights erode since I got involved in this hobby back in 2004. Its freaking depressing.

 

[Junior314]

Future??? I've seen my 2a rights erode since I got involved in this hobby back in 2004. Its freaking depressing.

Exactly.

 

[scott-o]

They don't care to enforce it IMO. Except maybe in convenient circumstances.

It's the long game. Continually erode 2A rights until they don't exist. Future generations won't have the same rights we did/do.

It's selective. I'm not a big one for the "the laws are racist" cries but honestly if that's the lens to use here I can see it.

This whole thing is selectively targeted at urbanite, largely minority and/or lower class gun owners.

They are effectively making cost of entry into the rifle club very steep. They did this with the 2016 notice and they want to double it down.

The cost of building a decent rifle has gone down over the last decade and this scares the crap out of them.

Now you have to either be a "true gun guy" to navigate the nuance or pay for a Gucci rifle to be in the club.

Just like suitability when it's convenient they will use it.

You think border depts are going to stop out of state residents from firing their rifles and pistols/mags at public ranges next to the border? Nope.

No one's getting hurt so what's the big deal?

 

[MFSP101]

I know I should read the whole bill. And I’ve read some of it. Where does it stand on buying ammo on line or parts? Not sure I’ve seen anything.

 

[pdm]

I'm quite into accelerationism. I'm bored with this slow boil. Let's get this party started.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

I know I should read the whole bill. And I’ve read some of it. Where does it stand on buying ammo on line or parts? Not sure I’ve seen anything.

Nothing there but don’t fret they’ll file something to fill in the gaps soon.

 

[drgrant]

It's selective. I'm not a big one for the "the laws are racist" cries but honestly if that's the lens to use here I can see it.

This whole thing is selectively targeted at urbanite, largely minority and/or lower class gun owners.

They are effectively making cost of entry into the rifle club very steep. They did this with the 2016 notice and they want to double it down.

The cost of building a decent rifle has gone down over the last decade and this scares the crap out of them.

Now you have to either be a "true gun guy" to navigate the nuance or pay for a Gucci rifle to be in the club.

Just like suitability when it's convenient they will use it.

You think border depts are going to stop out of state residents from firing their rifles and pistols/mags at public ranges next to the border? Nope.

No one's getting hurt so what's the big deal?

I'll mention though at the same time these types of laws cover a WAAAAAAY wider swath than you think..

Take some rando guy or lady who might have the financial means to get past this but also only has a passing interest in guns. In those cases these laws still have a chilling effect.

It's easy to talk yourself out of it. "Oh I have to spend $400 to get an LTC between all the costs of that shit, and then in order to get a rifle I want that isnt a total piece of shit it will cost $2500, but even then, I'm getting something I didnt want (some f***ing clapped out Olympic, EA, or whatever) and I don't enjoy the fact that I had to overpay for this shit in the process. " etc.

You can have money and still find that this prospect of the cost and so on is annoying/deterring/etc. Its part of a cumulative effect on ones psyche.

This is just another step in making the system annoying as possible to deter more people from getting firearms legally.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

They don't care to enforce it IMO. Except maybe in convenient circumstances.

It's the long game. Continually erode 2A rights until they don't exist. Future generations won't have the same rights we did/do.

That’s exactly what they will do. Pick us off one by one. It really is that simple.

We are all just one divorce based restraining order, harrasment order, red flag order, medical emergency or car accident away from losing our property, freedom, life savings, and becoming a PP for life.

Sadly, there are members here who have experienced this first hand.

 

[scott-o]

I'll mention though at the same time these types of laws cover a WAAAAAAY wider swath than you think..

Take some rando guy or lady who might have the financial means to get past this but also only has a passing interest in guns. In those cases these laws still have a chilling effect.

It's easy to talk yourself out of it. "Oh I have to spend $400 to get an LTC between all the costs of that shit, and then in order to get a rifle I want that isnt a total piece of shit it will cost $2500, but even then, I'm getting something I didnt want (some f***ing clapped out Olympic, EA, or whatever) and I don't enjoy the fact that I had to overpay for this shit in the process. " etc.

You can have money and still find that this prospect of the cost and so on is annoying/deterring/etc. Its part of a cumulative effect on ones psyche.

This is just another step in making the system annoying as possible to deter more people from getting firearms legally.

I agree I know a hand full of people whom have put off getting an LTC not only for cost, but for the time required to get it done. They just never found time to do it, not high on the priority list but supportive of the cause, and verbally voice wanting to get one.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

None of us have any idea at this point, nothing has been finalized and passed yet. If you have a firearm on the new no no list but it's stored in NH for example, wouldn't it be illegal to bring it back to MA so your licensing officer can inspect or verify you still own it? I'm not going to give myself an aneurysm trying to figure how to comply with whatever nonsense comes to pass.

 

[Harry Christopher]

They don't care to enforce it IMO. Except maybe in convenient circumstances.

It's the long game. Continually erode 2A rights until they don't exist. Future generations won't have the same rights we did/do.

 

[Picton]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

Why would they bother trying to enforce it?

They know most people will just comply, mindlessly. They also know the rest of us, who won't comply, aren't adding to the crime stats. So they're not worried about us.

This is virtue signaling.

 

[wcorey]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

Someone I know "was told" that the plan is when you go to renew your LTC they will indeed request proof you 'disposed' of the offending items on your efa-10 list and deny you on suitability if none.
I know, how are they going to prove any of it, blah, blah but I wouldn't put it past some of 'em for trying.
Seems it would be difficult and/or time consuming for them to determine pre ban status on many guns just by the info on efa-10.

 

[vicorjh]

they will indeed request proof you 'disposed' of the offending items

Request denied (on attorney letterhead).

 

[71montess]

Weaksauce. I am no youngling and I can put rounds in the black with irons at 1000 yards. With a 9mm pistol.

... I still see the side of the barn which is mostly black.

I can do it with a 38 revolver at 1000 yards. It's a 12 o’clock hold.

 

[Joeldiaz]

Request denied (on attorney letterhead).

“Your application has been denied due to suitability.”

 

[Picton]

Someone I know "was told" that the plan is when you go to renew your LTC they will indeed request proof you 'disposed' of the offending items on your efa-10 list and deny you on suitability if none.
I know, how are they going to prove any of it, blah, blah but I wouldn't put it past some of 'em for trying.

Nope.

You're saying they'd deny a constitutional right based on a shaky new law. Post-Bruen, there are federal judges out there salivating to get ahold of a case like that. If they try that, the court case will be immediate, rapid, and comprehensive.

They're on thin ice. They know it. They're not going to push.