MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[PappyM3]

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They're on thin ice. They know it. They're not going to push.

I don’t know, but the house and senate bills are pretty damned pushy.

 

[vicorjh]

“Your application has been denied due to suitability.”

Oh, the drama won't end there.

 

[Picton]

I don’t know, but the house and senate bills are pretty damned pushy.

Well, yes, the wording of the bills is definitely pushy. But his question was about enforcement.

I suspect this law is likely to be a VERY low-priority item for local cops to mess around with.

 

[DJBrad]

It doesn't say anything... the law assumes you're not a toddler. Let me ask you this. . Does the law tell you what to do if you got a large bag of cocaine as a gift?

If you have a gun in the banned class it becomes contraband in MA upon the enactment date of this law. (Whenever that is) It will be illegal Just like a bag of cocaine. The only difference is unlike cocaine there are 45+ something other states you can move it to and remain legal.

And I’m just landscaping over here! Lmtfa!




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[mothybee]

Especially when that old dude can still put rounds in the black at 300 yards with irons, 500 yards with optics.

Really? Are there restricted LTC's in Mass anymore? You know anyone with Target and Hunting restrictions?
A rising tide lifts all boats. You have heard of Bruen I assume?

Your talking target, right?

 

[Joeldiaz]

Nope.

You're saying they'd deny a constitutional right based on a shaky new law. Post-Bruen, there are federal judges out there salivating to get ahold of a case like that. If they try that, the court case will be immediate, rapid, and comprehensive.

They're on thin ice. They know it. They're not going to push.

lol not in MA

 

[Picton]

lol not in MA

There are ideologically pro-2A judges on circuits all over the country. Don't think they're unaware of what's happening here and in a few other states.

Just like activist lefty judges who can't wait to get ahold of voter ID or anti-abortion laws, there are activist righty judges champing at the bit to get rid of shit like this. None of it will happen fast. But it will happen. And if the Commonwealth pushes enforcement, it'll happen faster.

Something will pass here. Politicians will pat themselves on the back and use this as a qualification for their constituents. Other than that? It'll just sit there, unless some DA can't avoid charging it.

 

[p..]

There are ideologically pro-2A judges on circuits all over the country. Don't think they're unaware of what's happening here and in a few other states.

Just like activist lefty judges who can't wait to get ahold of voter ID or anti-abortion laws, there are activist righty judges champing at the bit to get rid of shit like this. None of it will happen fast. But it will happen. And if the Commonwealth pushes enforcement, it'll happen faster.

Something will pass here. Politicians will pat themselves on the back and use this as a qualification for their constituents. Other than that? It'll just sit there, unless some DA can't avoid charging it.

One of you guys with a fancy second home in the Berkshires or on Plum Island need to take one for the team and offer to let Saint Benitez have it for a few years.

 

[VTski4x4]

There are ideologically pro-2A judges on circuits all over the country. Don't think they're unaware of what's happening here and in a few other states.

Just like activist lefty judges who can't wait to get ahold of voter ID or anti-abortion laws, there are activist righty judges champing at the bit to get rid of shit like this. None of it will happen fast. But it will happen. And if the Commonwealth pushes enforcement, it'll happen faster.

Something will pass here. Politicians will pat themselves on the back and use this as a qualification for their constituents. Other than that? It'll just sit there, unless some DA can't avoid charging it.

DAs let people go all the time, just not ones with LTCs, it's always the inner city Dindu Nuffins. That's why you see good boys changing their lives getting 8, 9, 10, 11th offense gun charges all the time. A white guy following the law legally defends himself? 25+ years!

 

[Dadstoys]

Request denied (on attorney letterhead

 

[pavlin]

I was tempted to do a non AR pattern SBR. Looks like that is a bad idea.

Ugh!!!

why, what's the problem with non AR style SBR?

 

[Spartan65]

why, what's the problem with non AR style SBR?

What pattern @chris_1001?

I am down to see something cool.

 

[chris_1001]

why, what's the problem with non AR style SBR?

Pistol grip. Forward detachable mag etc…

What pattern @chris_1001?

I am down to see something cool.

MP5 style SBR.

Saw something I liked a lot at the mill yesterday…

Buddy has one in another state.

 

[Broc Tuah]

How do they plan on enforcing all this. For example. Let's say someone doesn't turn in their post ban AR. Will they be knocking door to door? When you go to renew your LTC will they deny it?......etc.

Stop asking questions and giving them ideas.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Someone I know "was told" that the plan is when you go to renew your LTC they will indeed request proof you 'disposed' of the offending items on your efa-10 list and deny you on suitability if none.
I know, how are they going to prove any of it, blah, blah but I wouldn't put it past some of 'em for trying.
Seems it would be difficult and/or time consuming for them to determine pre ban status on many guns just by the info on efa-10.

So let me get this straight ...

They say that rifles post date X are illegal, but they will allow people to hold on to those rifles until whenever they have to renew.

Sounds like those rifles and people are not as dangerous as they say.

 

[groundscrapers]

So you are saying there might be grandfathering but not just before July 2016.

Do you think they will have grandfathering up until August of 2024?

That would create a giant vortex of AR-15 lowers rushing into Massachusetts until August.

no grandfathering, you might as well list your place for sale and start the moving process.

 

[whatluck]

Just move already. Life is too short to live in a short bus state.

 

[Maninblue1861]

Maybe someone should point this out to them.

Article XXIV.

Laws made to punish for actions done before the existence of such laws, and which have not been declared crimes by preceding laws, are unjust, oppressive, and inconsistent with the fundamental principles of a free government.

In the Massachusetts constitution

 

[HARRYM]

Maybe someone should point this out to them.

Article XXIV.

Laws made to punish for actions done before the existence of such laws, and which have not been declared crimes by preceding laws, are unjust, oppressive, and inconsistent with the fundamental principles of a free government.

In the Massachusetts constitution

Agreed but that horse left the barn a long time ago.

 

[AJK129]

Just move already. Life is too short to live in a short bus state.

Why would we move away from The Spirit of America though

 

[HARRYM]

Maybe someone should point this out to them.

Article XXIV.

Laws made to punish for actions done before the existence of such laws, and which have not been declared crimes by preceding laws, are unjust, oppressive, and inconsistent with the fundamental principles of a free government.

In the Massachusetts constitution

If GOAL and COMM2A each had zero dollars in their bank accounts they would be paper tigers. If GOAL and COMM2A each had a Billion dollars in their bank accounts they could file and support lawsuits at will.

It will be up to us to determine what the mean number is.

 

[556USER]

What righteous person would support grandfathering a right guaranteed in the Constitution and DENYING the same right to others after some arbitrary date? All the wrangling and speculation about this concept makes me sick. The argument should only be focused on the freedom of all citizens past, present and FUTURE. If grandfathering is allowed many of those who are given special status will certainly not fight as hard for the rights of others. Grandfathering only serves to divide. The fight should be for all. No grandfathering and NO turning in anything.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

What righteous person would support grandfathering a right guaranteed in the Constitution and DENYING the same right to others after some arbitrary date? All the wrangling and speculation about this concept makes me sick. The argument should only be focused on the freedom of all citizens past, present and FUTURE. If grandfathering is allowed many of those who are given special status will certainly not fight as hard for the rights of others. Grandfathering only serves to divide. The fight should be for all. No grandfathering and NO turning in anything.

This guy gets it.

 

[Darksideblues42]

Does Comm 2A have any input on this ?

Yes, but noting we can discuss publicly at this time.

 

[pastera]

What righteous person would support grandfathering a right guaranteed in the Constitution and DENYING the same right to others after some arbitrary date? All the wrangling and speculation about this concept makes me sick. The argument should only be focused on the freedom of all citizens past, present and FUTURE. If grandfathering is allowed many of those who are given special status will certainly not fight as hard for the rights of others. Grandfathering only serves to divide. The fight should be for all. No grandfathering and NO turning in anything.

You answered your own question right there with one word - Not a single person in the legislature voting for this shit even rises to ambivalent, they are all evil.

Grandfather Clauses to Assault Weapons Ban

Messrs. Tarr, Moore, O'Connor, Durant, Brady, Timilty, Cronin, Collins, Pacheco, Montigny and Fattman move that the proposed new text be amended by inserting in line 112 after the word, “clause (i);” the following: - “(H) any weapon lawfully possessed in the Commonwealth prior to the passage of this act;”.

94 ... provided, however, that “assault weapon” shall not include: (A) any of the
95 weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, appearing in Appendix A of 18 U.S.C. 922
96 on September 13, 1994, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (B) any
97 weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (C) any weapon that has
98 been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be
99 designated as a semiautomatic assault weapon; (D) any weapon that was manufactured prior to
100 1899; (E) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or not capable of firing a
101 projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily
102 modified through a combination of available parts into an operable assault weapon; (F) any
103 semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of
104 ammunition; or (G) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than 5 rounds of
105 ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; provided further, that a weapon shall be
106 considered a copy or duplicate of a weapon identified in subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of clause
107 (i) if: (I)(a) the weapon is a semiautomatic rifle or handgun that was manufactured or
108 subsequently configured with an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (b) a semiautomatic
109 shotgun; and (II) the weapon has internal functional components that are substantially similar in
110 construction and configuration to a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of
111 said clause (i) or the weapon has a receiver that is the same as or interchangeable with the
112 receiver of a weapon identified in said subclauses (a) to (i), inclusive, of said clause (i); (H) any weapon lawfully possessed in the Commonwealth prior to the passage of this act; provided
113 further, that a receiver shall be treated as the same as or interchangeable with the receiver of such
114 an enumerated weapon if it includes or accepts at least 2 operating components that are the same
115 as or interchangeable with those of such enumerated weapon; and provided further, that if a
116 weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault weapon, it shall remain an assault
117 weapon even if it is altered by the seller.

So the grandfathering is there for anything currently possessed "lawfully" - the state may attempt to argue that none of the compliant versions were lawful therefore the grandfather clause means nothing but that opens the state up to even more SCOTUS scrutiny by way of a taking on top of banning an entire class of arms commonly held for lawful purposes by The People.

 

[Hardwired]

They're just way more organized than we are. We lost our rights (don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise with speculation about grandfathering) because we let most of the State House run unopposed.

Granted they hold so much institutional power, it won't be easy, but when so many of these reps stroll in because they're the only one on the ballot it just blows my mind.

Too bad we don’t have any billionaires funding campaigns for conservatives running and if they do they are RINOS on board with the agenda.

How many tried and got a knock knock at home by some thugs giving the wink wink with an offer you can’t refuse. We just saw it with Lake you need to take a 2 year pause from running cuz Rich men north of Richmond by a “Republican” no less.

Look at what happened to Mayor Adams one of their own.

 

[556USER]

I'll elaborate a bit further. The communist seeks to divide their opposition. In this case the grandfathered vs the non grandfathered. As I said, many or the grandfathered will breath the proverbial sigh of relief and quiet down. Tarr et al are not communists just stupid tools of the left that love their positions of power more than they love the freedoms that the country was based upon.

 

[Hardwired]

You answered your own question right there with one word - Not a single person in the legislature voting for this shit even rises to ambivalent, they are all evil.




So the grandfathering is there for anything currently possessed "lawfully" - the state may attempt to argue that none of the compliant versions were lawful therefore the grandfather clause means nothing but that opens the state up to even more SCOTUS scrutiny by way of a taking on top of banning an entire class of arms commonly held for lawful purposes by The People.

Thanks for posting.

So 10ronds isn’t safe enough so they go to 5 now?
My head is spinning with “semi-automatic AW”, pistols are included in this garbage?

What the hell happens to Form1 SBRs?

 

[Picton]

If grandfathering is allowed many of those who are given special status will certainly not fight as hard for the rights of others.

Yep. We're seeing this already, as the subtext of a number of posts in this very thread.

 

[Bmcl322]

At 1st glance, grandfathering is very important to me personally, and potentially what my kids inherit down the road. ....but that is not the right path.... That said, I hope there is no grandfathering. All these firearms are legal, and they know it - in common use. The crazier and more clearly against Bruen & Heller they make this thing, the better for me, my kids, and all of us, long term. Begrudgingly willing to take my bumps now and play the long game.