MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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pastera said:
The FPC's work is entirely different than GOAL's
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GOAL is becoming less and less effective. This state doesn't give a shit about our lobby. I still donate a shit ton to them, but I'm going to start tipping the sales further towards FPC and GOA. It's blatantly obvious the only way we are going to win anything is through the courts, and if that fails, the third box.
 
www.firearmspolicy.org

About FPC

Who is FPC? Learn about the FPC Team and our purpose, vision, mission, and current strategic objectives to see why we are unique, special, and YOUR organization.
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The FPC team are next-generation advocates working to achieve the Organization’s strategic objectives through litigation, research, scholarly publications, amicus briefing, legislative and regulatory action, grassroots activism, education, outreach, and other programs. FPC typically has members and supporters in all 50 U.S. States and the District of Columbia.
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About GOAL

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Legislative Advocacy: GOAL closely monitors firearms and sporting-related legislation in the Massachusetts State Legislature. GOAL employs registered lobbyists to represent the interests of licensed gun owners and sportsmen, providing testimony at public hearings and communicating their positions to lawmakers. We also sponsor bills to improve and repeal the state's firearms laws.
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FPC's work is based in litigation which is by definition adversarial
GOAL's work is legislative lobbying - not a place where adversarial relationships work well.
 
pastera said:
Take a look at the difference between H4139 and S2572 - GOAL had a hand in that.
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Maybe the answer then is to let GOAL do their thing playing nice with the legislators and posting updates and info to their website but have a more aggressive org/affiliate do the social media-driven fundraising thing. MA seems to be missing that.
 
VTski4x4 said:
GOAL is becoming less and less effective. This state doesn't give a shit about our lobby. I still donate a shit ton to them, but I'm going to start tipping the sales further towards FPC and GOA. It's blatantly obvious the only way we are going to win anything is through the courts, and if that fails, the third box.
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The courts are the third box - :)
Hopefully the fourth box need not be engaged.
 
not new guy said:
Maybe the answer then is to let GOAL do their thing playing nice with the legislators and posting updates and info to their website but have a more aggressive org/affiliate do the social media-driven fundraising thing. MA seems to be missing that.
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GOALs job would be a lot easier if we could get 10-20k people on the phone ten minutes after an email AND more than than willing to drop $20 on a GOAL sponsored candidate's election campaign as a reliable response.
 
So would they go full Schutzstaffel and door-to-door search everyone's home for newly banned items? Aren't the contents of this bill highly illegal in that regard? If they're worried about crime why would they ban all firearms for law-abiding gun owners and not just impose stricter penalties for criminals found with these items?
 
I'm starting to feel I'm diluting my contributions sending to multiple organizations. Sending to just one or two would make more of an impact.
 
Wow! It's been at least a couple of days or more here since we've heard about the "LEO Exemption". I am beginning to wonder if it EVER existed. Can anybody show it in black and white in any current proposal?
 
Rocky Mosasaurus said:
So would they go full Schutzstaffel and door-to-door search everyone's home for newly banned items?
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They won't - grabbing individuals on red flags and 209a's means no good plaintiff's
Rocky Mosasaurus said:
Aren't the contents of this bill highly illegal in that regard?
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Yes, but only if we can get past the 1st Circus before the Democrats can pack SCOTUS
Rocky Mosasaurus said:
If they're worried about crime why would they ban all firearms for law-abiding gun owners and not just impose stricter penalties for criminals found with these items?
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They aren't worried about criminals - they have armed guards. They just don't want the people who are forced to pay for their armed details to be armed well enough to challenge the perks they vote for themselves.
Funny - you actually believe that they care about crime and keeping the lowly people safe.
 
mpd61 said:
Wow! It's been at least a couple of days or more here since we've heard about the "LEO Exemption". I am beginning to wonder if it EVER existed. Can anybody show it in black and white in any current proposal?
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General Law - Part IV, Title I, Chapter 269, Section 10

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610 SECTION 27. Section 10 of chapter 269 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2022
611 Official Edition, is hereby amended by inserting after subsection (j) the following subsection:-
612 (k)(1) Whoever possesses a firearm, rifle or shotgun, as defined in section 121 of chapter
613 140, in a state, county or municipal administrative building or a judicial or court administrative
614 building and knows or reasonably should know such location is a state, county, municipal, court
615 or judicial administrative building shall be punished by a fine of not more than $1,000. Signs
616 stating that the carrying of a firearm is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the
617 entrance of such a building.
618 (2) This subsection shall not apply to: (i) a law enforcement officer, including, but not
619 limited to, a person authorized to carry firearms pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 926B or 926C; or (ii) a
620 municipal administrative building in a municipality that votes pursuant to section 4 of chapter 4
621 to exclude its administrative building from the prohibition in paragraph (1).
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The existing laws exempt LEOs and the new sections do the same where appropriate
 
Found this on reddit.

Al-Czervik-Guns

ALL YOUR RIFLES ARE NOW ILLEGAL​


ALL YOUR RILFES ARE ILLEGAL
All subject to change when the Senate reconciles with the House, but the current grandfathering language passed by the Senate essentially grandfathers nothing.
True preban is still there. Pre 13-sep-1994 weapons can be as evil as you like.
All post 7/20/16 weapons need to be factory compliant with the new AWB and all cools guns are copies or duplicates and therefore illegal. No ARs. No AKs, etc. NO COMPLIANCE WORK so good luck finding a SKU from the manufacturer that works. I found a NJ compliant tavor x95 that would work. There are some Ruger PCCs that are factory compliant. After that I can’t find much for semi auto rifles.
The new grandfathering covers 1994-2016 weapons. The problem is that all it does is say they are not copies or duplicates. So your AR is not a copy or duplicate and not automatically banned. The problem is that the no compliance work clause is still in effect. So all those cool pre Healey guns you have that had their stocks fixed or a muzzle break installed and pinned and welded ARE NOW ILLEGAL.
The new grandfathering language essentially grandfathers NOTHING.
Let that sink in. I do not believe they understand what they did because they have proven themselves to be rather stupid about guns and the laws. But they have now passed (in the Senate) a new AWB that makes 99% of existing semi auto rifles illegal with a vineer of grandfathering that you might naively think does something. It does nothing.
 
FPrice said:
Found this on reddit.

Al-Czervik-Guns

ALL YOUR RIFLES ARE NOW ILLEGAL​


ALL YOUR RILFES ARE ILLEGAL
All subject to change when the Senate reconciles with the House, but the current grandfathering language passed by the Senate essentially grandfathers nothing.
True preban is still there. Pre 13-sep-1994 weapons can be as evil as you like.
All post 7/20/16 weapons need to be factory compliant with the new AWB and all cools guns are copies or duplicates and therefore illegal. No ARs. No AKs, etc. NO COMPLIANCE WORK so good luck finding a SKU from the manufacturer that works. I found a NJ compliant tavor x95 that would work. There are some Ruger PCCs that are factory compliant. After that I can’t find much for semi auto rifles.
The new grandfathering covers 1994-2016 weapons. The problem is that all it does is say they are not copies or duplicates. So your AR is not a copy or duplicate and not automatically banned. The problem is that the no compliance work clause is still in effect. So all those cool pre Healey guns you have that had their stocks fixed or a muzzle break installed and pinned and welded ARE NOW ILLEGAL.
The new grandfathering language essentially grandfathers NOTHING.
Let that sink in. I do not believe they understand what they did because they have proven themselves to be rather stupid about guns and the laws. But they have now passed (in the Senate) a new AWB that makes 99% of existing semi auto rifles illegal with a vineer of grandfathering that you might naively think does something. It does nothing.
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That's a copy and paste from Crackpot earlier in this thread.
 
allen-1 said:
My PCP is a member of my local club; I've shot skeet with him.
My optometrist is a member of my local club.
My chiropractor is a member of my local club; he shoots NRL and PRS.
My dentist is a member of my local club.

I'm not kidding.
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I'm getting concerned about your health.
 
LakeTrout said:
I don’t think there’s anything that legislators could do to MA gun owners that could cause MA gun owners to do anything about it. They know this too. You’ll own no auto loading firearms in MA in the next decade. They won’t be grandfathered. They’ll be turned in. This is will be a good start but it doesn’t go far enough. They’ve conditioned you to comply, and you will. Cause real life isn’t the inner net. Ya need ya dunks and the kids gotta get to soccer practice. Turn em in.
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I have an idea - move to NH and suck up the longer commute. With all you save on taxes and real estate you can buy a lot of gas. Just make sure you do in before you cross into MA. Rob that sh!thole of all the tax revenue you can.

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When the writing was on the wall that the state was going to try to vax and trans my kid that was it. When the crime started to escalate. When Malnea Cass and South Bay became a no-go zone. We bailed for the border. Disruptive, expensive, even risky - yes. Totally worth it.
 
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OMM 0000 said:
I have an idea - move to NH and suck up the longer commute. With all you save on taxes and real estate you can buy a lot of gas. Just make sure you do in before you cross into MA. Rob that sh!thole of all the tax revenue you can.
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You work in MA you will pay income tax to MA even living in NH. NH has the 3rd highest property taxes in America. A more free state than MA I will concede but no doubt the Leftists have made in roads there.
 
HARRYM said:
You work in MA you will pay income tax to MA even living in NH. NH has the 3rd highest property taxes in America. A more free state than MA I will concede but no doubt the Leftists have made in roads there.
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No duh. But you save thousands on sales tax. Your property assessment is significantly lower. Even the gas is cheaper. And you can look for a new job.
Really depends on the skills/career.
 
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OMM 0000 said:
No duh. But you save thousands on sales tax. Your property assessment is significantly lower, and you can look for a new job.
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Wages are lower in NH and they have the 3rd highest real estate taxes in America. Commutes suck. Gas ain't cheap and wear and tear on a vehicle these days devalues expensive vehicles quickly.
 
OMM 0000 said:
Your property assessment is significantly lower.
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That's not really the case in the towns I've been looking at. You might get a little more land and/or house but the prices in a nice town up there are pretty comparable to the prices for similarly nice towns down here. Or is it assessment-specific differences between how they do it up there vs down here?
 
not new guy said:
That's not really the case in the towns I've been looking at. You might get a little more land and/or house but the prices in a nice town up there are pretty comparable to the prices for similarly nice towns down here. Or is it assessment-specific differences between how they do it up there vs down here?
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My 3 season camp is now $5600 and change in taxes. Don't get me wrong I love NH but they ain't trouble free.
 
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