MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Broc Tuah]

For those complaining about GOAL not doing enough....I heard Jim Wallace on Cam&Company podcast and he said GOAL is looking to start branching off into litigation as well going forward.

I love this.

 

[Spartan65]

I love this.

They spelled riot wrong

 

[Qwikdraw45]

I could move to Maine literally tomorrow, trying to decide between there or CO though

Maine is becoming MA. CO keeps pushing its FUDDery laws, too.

I know that this is getting a bit off topic but, I like Maine and as everyone should be aware of the fact that most of their laws mirror Mass. 1. Hometown Rule, where the city or town can make By-Laws or Ordinances stricter than the state law. 2. Legislation by Referendum, where laws are made by a popular vote, where the population centers rule the state. 3. Income Tax. 5. Sales Tax. and 6. Rank Choice voting. Those are just the more upfront ones.

I live in New Hampshire.

One reason I do...for now.

Hope Biden doesn’t win steal it, again

FIFY.

Common sense gun laws, in action:

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In reality: No names or photographs publishe so they don't shame the red-headed Irish kids.

You work in MA you will pay income tax to MA even living in NH. NH has the 3rd highest property taxes in America. A more free state than MA I will concede but no doubt the Leftists have made in roads there.

Every day I check more "out of state communists" int NH. And the first words out of the most-obviously Liberal ones are: "Will this paper license work for voting?"

That's not really the case in the towns I've been looking at. You might get a little more land and/or house but the prices in a nice town up there are pretty comparable to the prices for similarly nice towns down here. Or is it assessment-specific differences between how they do it up there vs down here?

Used to have a house in NH. Value: $130,000. Property tax (when we sold it after 4 years): $4,555. (less than 1/4 acre; 884sf). Brother's house in MA at the same time: Value - $250,000. Property tax: $3,800. Less than 1/4 acre, but two story with 1100sf. Now the cheapest fixer-upper we've seen is $250,000, with most small ranches running $375,000 and $500,000 to $1,100,000 for "normal" sized homes. POS 1982 mobile homes are even going for $350,000! If you got a job that gives you a good income, OK. For the rest of us? We have to leave.

 

[pastera]

11 and 11.1 both link to amendment 11, if you edit the link and turn 11 into 11.1 you get this:

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/GetAmendmentContent/193/S2572/11.1/Senate/Preview

Which references 7/20/2016

Accident that the link is incorrect or was it done to hide the real amendment 11.1?

Yeah, I posted that elsewhere
The issue is that the 11.1 text is self contradictory

 

[Spartan65]

Yeah, I posted that elsewhere
The issue is that the 11.1 text is self contradictory

Do we thank GOAL for that language or?

 

[pastera]

Honest question - and for the record I appreciate your insights on all of this - but if we're giving GOAL credit for however much better the senate version is than the house version, is it better in a way that makes the legislation more likely to withstand scrutiny or did GOAL actually get the legislature to concede issues that aren't ultimately self-serving for the legislature anyway? In other words, would we have been better off if the legislature tried to figure things out on their own and enacted something that would be more easily defeated in court in the process? Is GOAL effectively giving them practical advice, or are they somehow squeezing legit concessions out of them?

What is left still doesn't pass Bruen.
Ot just gives us time to get through the courts

 

[pastera]

Do we thank GOAL for that language or?

What's your problem with GOAL?

Amendment 11 is a basic clean grandfather clause.
11.1 reads like a committee of over educated but low IQ people tried to sound smart and screwed it up.

If GOAL had a part it would be with 11

 

[Spartan65]

What's your problem with GOAL?

Amendment 11 is a basic clean grandfather clause.
11.1 reads like a committee of over educated but low IQ people tried to sound smart and screwed it up.

If GOAL had a part it would be with 11

What have they ever won?

Nothing they are the NRA the left hates them.
From the jump they can’t do anything in this state.

 

[01906]

Words have meaning. use the right ones if you don't want to be taken the wrong way.

You sound like my wife.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

For those complaining about GOAL not doing enough....I heard Jim Wallace on Cam&Company podcast and he said GOAL is looking to start branching off into litigation as well going forward.

At this point they’re looking like the last line of defense. Now or never it’s time to go all in.

If not, we’ll be fending off home invaders with harquebuses bought with our C&R licenses.

 

[HKTony45]

He gave you the answer to your question.

But no one disputes he a dbag

 

[Taipan01]

Speaking of words (that doesn't sound right does it, I mean you speak with words, not of, unless of course you can change their meaning on a whim to whatever you want it to be like the Queen of Hearts or Bill Clinton, anyway) I keep seeing the word "registered" used. As we don't have a registry (supposidly), is it used instead of saying filling out an FA10 for private purchases or in an FLL's log book prior to a date such as in "registered before the 2016 edict"? Sort of interchangeable as in proving possession prior to...?

I really dislike jurisprudent speak.

 

[Joeldiaz]

Speaking of words (that doesn't sound right does it, I mean you speak with words, not of, unless of course you can change their meaning on a whim to whatever you want it to be like the Queen of Hearts or Bill Clinton, anyway) I keep seeing the word "registered" used. As we don't have a registry (supposidly), is it used instead of saying filling out an FA10 for private purchases or in an FLL's log book prior to a date such as in "registered before the 2016 edict"? Sort of interchangeable as in proving possession prior to...?

I really dislike jurisprudent speak.

Possibly yes, the word registration is being used as a synonym for E-FA-10. The E-FA-10 system may not be a registry in name, but it is absolutely one in practice. There is even a “registration” option in the portal and various PDs have used it as a legitimate registration in the traditional sense of the word.

The other option would be for the FRB to develop an actual gun registration system that does more than simply register transactions of guns, and transfer all of the records in the E-FA-10 database into the new registration system.

 

[Reptile]

Possibly yes, the word registration is being used as a synonym for E-FA-10. The E-FA-10 system may not be a registry in name, but it is absolutely one in practice. There is even a “registration” option in the portal and various PDs have used it as a legitimate registration in the traditional sense of the word.

The other option would be for the FRB to develop an actual gun registration system that does more than simply register transactions of guns, and transfer all of the records in the E-FA-10 database into the new registration system.

I think if the state offers grandfathering until summer of 2024 - and starts a new type of registry - that would keep most cuck gun owners happy while this moves through the courts.

 

[Da_lucche]

I don't disagree that we're outnumbered, but the people that care about taking away our rights are more organized than we are.

It helps that they have a receptive audience, but I can tell you first hand that they just play the game better.

Well, I mean that is the reason why we deem them collectivists and the reason why we deem ourselves individualists.

 

[Da_lucche]

No duh. But you save thousands on sales tax. Your property assessment is significantly lower. Even the gas is cheaper. And you can look for a new job.
Really depends on the skills/career.

All depends on career choice because all in all, NH pay scale is horrendous especially the more north you go

 

[CatSnoutSoup]

For those complaining about GOAL not doing enough....I heard Jim Wallace on Cam&Company podcast and he said GOAL is looking to start branching off into litigation as well going forward.

Well now that might be a good thing and perhaps long overdue.

Because a key drawback to a carrot-and-stick approach to political advocacy is that if you don’t actually have a stick you will soon be out of carrots.

 

[Tallahassee]

What's your problem with GOAL?

Amendment 11 is a basic clean grandfather clause.
11.1 reads like a committee of over educated but low IQ people tried to sound smart and screwed it up.

If GOAL had a part it would be with 11

I have zero use for goal. They sound like a good idea, but all that ever comes from them is compromises. They lobby, work with the politicians, and then sell a compromise.

We don't need more compromises. Should have told these corrupt f***ers off a long time ago. f*** grandfathering. Give me a break.

 

[pastera]

Speaking of words (that doesn't sound right does it, I mean you speak with words, not of, unless of course you can change their meaning on a whim to whatever you want it to be like the Queen of Hearts or Bill Clinton, anyway) I keep seeing the word "registered" used. As we don't have a registry (supposidly), is it used instead of saying filling out an FA10 for private purchases or in an FLL's log book prior to a date such as in "registered before the 2016 edict"? Sort of interchangeable as in proving possession prior to...?

I really dislike jurisprudent speak.

They don't know what they have in place.
Remember, they only know what they are told to say about the bill they are handed - and the group handing them bills doesn't know or care about current laws as they are only interested in banning all legally owned private guns.

Like I've said - the grandfathering in 11.1 is a mish-mash of word salad that actually doesn't offer any path of legal ownership.

 

[pastera]

I have zero use for goal. They sound like a good idea, but all that ever comes from them is compromises. They lobby, work with the politicians, and then sell a compromise.

We don't need more compromises. Should have told these corrupt f***ers off a long time ago. f*** grandfathering. Give me a break.

Understand - they only have the power we give them in our support.
Gun owners simply don't show up so they have very little power.

 

[MainelyFree]

Based. I am African American.

I always thought you were a**h*** American?

You’re definitely THAT Chris!

 

[milktree]

For those complaining about GOAL not doing enough....I heard Jim Wallace on Cam&Company podcast and he said GOAL is looking to start branching off into litigation as well going forward.

Why? What could GOAL litigate better than Comm2A? Assuming limited and not near infinite funds, we’re better off with one litigation group than two half funded ones.

 

[HARRYM]

Why? What could GOAL litigate better than Comm2A? Assuming limited and not near infinite funds, we’re better off with one litigation group than two half funded ones.

Call me a nut case but how bout two fully funded ones?

 

[HARRYM]

I have zero use for goal. They sound like a good idea, but all that ever comes from them is compromises. They lobby, work with the politicians, and then sell a compromise.

We don't need more compromises. Should have told these corrupt f***ers off a long time ago. f*** grandfathering. Give me a break.

So you are all chips in on COMM2A then?

 

[The Ugly]

But no one disputes he a dbag

Honestly I would say you are the dbag, wandering into a forum like a child and insulting one of the most widely respected members.....

 

[Sparky1911]

So you are all chips in on COMM2A then?

What have they done for mass lately. And that’s a serious question.
I asked for help a while back for Framingham residents and basically got told to pound sand. That’s when I stopped donating to them personally.

 

[HARRYM]

What have they done for mass lately. And that’s a serious question.
I asked for help a while back for Framingham residents and basically got told to pound sand. That’s when I stopped donating to them personally.

OK......got it.......

 

[HARRYM]

Anybody ever wonder how the phrase spitting into the wind came about.......

 

[Taipan01]

Anybody ever wonder how the phrase spitting into the wind came about.......

Just spitballing here, but perhaps somebody hocked up a clam and shot it southbound during an event with a northbound wind?

 

[HKTony45]

Honestly I would say you are the dbag, wandering into a forum like a child and insulting one of the most widely respected members.....

No you are times infinity. I win.