New and “improved” gun laws. Hahaha

whatluck said:
So that wasn't redirection, right? You're saying that the corruption of the police, judge, and DA in the Read case are the cutouts, and the rest of the system is normal? Or are you saying that this corruption specifically in this case is acceptable because everyone ELSE is also corrupt? Just trying to understand here.
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I hope I can help. I know folks on both sides. From the judge to the defense to prosecutors and most of people involved. I don’t condone what’s going on there. But I can say this, there were no drag marks from the house to where John was found. Even though it was snowing at a heavy rate. The depression would remain even as it snowed. Never rising to equal level.

The clothing bore no evidence of holes or bite marks consistent with bite marks. Head injuries to back of head cause intense swelling to the head which is exhibited in areas of the head where there are openings. The eyes and eye sockets. Coup and contra coup.

As for collecting evidence by the first on scene. Yeah they used cups to collect the blood. I do not have an issue with u have to use what you have available at that time to prevent degradation and destruction. It doesn’t change the DNA. It will preserve it for analysis.

I’ve been before the judge. I feel she is very conscientious. Sometimes too cautious. But fair.

I don’t feel as though he was beaten in the house. That many people sticking to same story. Unheard of. Get 10 cops in a room. We have 10 different uniforms on. We can’t even agree on a uniform of the day. lol. The only way to keep a secret between 3 people is to kill the other two.

It just wouldn’t sustain. And the Feds. Don’t get me started. Most criminal organization there is. If they had something to charge cops. They would’ve. I believe they care dropping their investigation.
 
milktree said:
Cops always get so butt-hurt when people expect them to .. you know.. not break the law.

Straight to ad hominem insults. Classy.


There's an entire thread of cops being truly awful people, this attitude didn't come from nowhere, lots of people are genuinely furious about cops being protected as the king's men and getting special treatment.

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It takes a whole lot more for me to be butt hurt. I’ve been called every name in the book. Been spit on. Assaulted. Shot at and returned fire. Born in raised in the city projects. Very thick skinned. Not afraid of healthy debate.
 
bpd859 said:
I do not support the new laws. Nor do rank and file. But figure heads prevail. Yes men and women who are politically appointed and have to maintain the party line or lose their jobs. I’m not one so I speak my mind. Much to the demise of my ascension to higher rank. I do and say what’s right. Regardless.
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The problem with the system no doubt.....rot from the top down starting with the Pols...and you have to listen to your bosses or lose your job no matter what.

I know plenty of cops that aren't 2A friendly and questioned peons having access to AR's and the like and would have arrested them for it. Some in my own club. Avoided them like the plague and they were obnoxious about getting detail money and their perks.....all they talked about and it sickened me.

I know plenty that are good too.......and have some good friends and a retired MA chief that is one of my best friends who never would follow MA gun law.
Unfortunately those type of cops at the top end, are becoming scarce. They are ass kissing politicians.

Not really here to cop bash, but unfortunately NES is not very friendly to cops asking if they are excluded from laws....especially the new one, since MACOPA was against it when there wasn't a carve out for law enforcement, then changed their tone and rallied for it when there was.

Turns out there wasn't much of a carve out for law enforcement, and you technically fxcked yourselves. But it matters little, flash a badge and you'll get to do what you want most likely anyway. I understand that's reality.....and again.....I can be an ahole. If you respect 2A and wouldn't fxck with a law abiding gun owner i can take you at your word.

It really matters little to me I'm not there anyway. The cops from the sheriffs dept down here in FL are super solid individuals, extremely pro2a, as they actually own the gunshop I do most of my business at. Of course its different down here, as we need no permission slip from cops to have a gun, any mags we want, silencers, etc....... and have way more rights which are respected.
 
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You folks should be happy knowing that there are vast amounts of officers who support the 2a and folks who defend it. But you just want to throw stones. I don’t get it. Like nobody on this thread has ever done anything wrong in their lives. Crazy. I stopped before I joined my friends who all moved to Walpole. The prison not the town.
 
Mark from ? said:
The problem with the system no doubt.....rot from the top down starting with the Pols...and you have to listen to your bosses or lose your job no matter what.

I know plenty of cops that aren't 2A friendly and questioned peons having access to AR's and the like and would have arrested them for it. Some in my own club. Avoided them like the plague and they were obnoxious about getting detail money and their perks.....all they talked about and it sickened me.

I know plenty that are good too.......and have some good friends and a retired MA chief that is one of my best friends who never would follow MA gun law.
Unfortunately those type of cops at the top end, are becoming scarce. They are ass kissing politicians.

Not really here to cop bash, but unfortunately NES is not very friendly to cops asking if they are excluded from laws....especially the new one, since MACOPA was against it when there wasn't a carve out for law enforcement, then changed their tone and rallied for it when there was.

Turns out there wasn't much of a carve out for law enforcement, and you technically fxcked yourselves. But it matters little, flash a badge and you'll get to do what you want most likely anyway. I understand that's reality.....and again.....I can be an ahole. If you respect 2A and wouldn't fxck with a law abiding gun owner i can take you at your word.

It really matters little to me I'm not there anyway. The cops from the sheriffs dept down here in FL are super solid individuals, extremely pro2a, as they actually own the gunshop I do most of my business at. Of course its different down here, as we need no permission slip from cops to have a gun, any mags we want, silencers, etc....... and have way more rights which are respected.
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I’ve been buying a gun a month. Most have to be sent back because they are not on the list. So, I was legitimately asking folks who deal with it all the time and have more knowledge than most street cops. I just ordered another one and was looking for a loophole to obtain it. The Springfield 1911 Ronin 3”. Great looking 9mm. I’m just. Gun nut who does a different job. There are great guys in this job and every profession. There are also a**h***s in those same professions. I know, because I was just a dude at one time who skirted the law.

Most inner city cops are 2a supporters and could care less what you carry. Where u carry or where u are licensed. Even if it’s another state. So I think the assumptions are wrong. I can’t speak for the smaller towns who hire folks with little to no life experience or common sense. But that is where we are these days. Sad.

You can’t lump us all into one basket. Just like we can’t lump all the 2a supporters as radical republican zealots. (Which I am by the way).
 
bpd859 said:
Oh that’s comforting. You obviously didn’t or couldn’t read what was said and posted. But that’s ok. I’ll put on the cops hat. How the Christ did you get an LTC.
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Remember most around this website regard an LTC permission slip as a violation of 2A. Me included. We dont need or want cops permission. And that model is alive and well in like 43 other states. MA is f***ed up and violates 2a.

So not gonna get much traction here saying shit like that.And your gonna here shit you may not be ysed to from free thinking people that view cops as any other citizen with no special rights or privileges expected. In fact, they will hold cops to a higher standard.

Nor are you gonna get info on getting certain guns in state, nobody gets that, you have to put in the time and do your homework as this forum is public.
 
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bpd859 said:
According to this thread. There are no cut outs. So, that was a shot that went no where.
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My understanding is it’s ok to use things in duty (capacity and production date) that we can’t own within our homes. You are right in this, you aren’t going to be buying a sweet SW 32HRmag that’s off roster but you can mag dump someone having a mental health crisis with a 21 round mag in YOUR duty pistol. The possession of said mag would make me a felon.
 
bpd859 said:
I’ve been buying a gun a month. Most have to be sent back because they are not on the list. So, I was legitimately asking folks who deal with it all the time and have more knowledge than most street cops. I just ordered another one and was looking for a loophole to obtain it. The Springfield 1911 Ronin 3”. Great looking 9mm. I’m just. Gun nut who does a different job. There are great guys in this job and every profession. There are also a**h***s in those same professions. I know, because I was just a dude at one time who skirted the law.

Most inner city cops are 2a supporters and could care less what you carry. Where u carry or where u are licensed. Even if it’s another state. So I think the assumptions are wrong. I can’t speak for the smaller towns who hire folks with little to no life experience or common sense. But that is where we are these days. Sad.

You can’t lump us all into one basket. Just like we can’t lump all the 2a supporters as radical republican zealots. (Which I am by the way).
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It sounds like you need a better relationship with your FFL or you need to find a new much better one. One you can discuss what you are looking for with. The FFL’s can help you or steer you towards something close to what you are looking for. They may even know someone that has the item you are searching for. Since the police carve out doesn’t exist in Ma you really should shop around and find a better dealer. Many of the good FFL’s don’t advertise what they have on hand or what may have been in state on 8/1 that they can find for you.
 
bpd859 said:
Most inner city cops are 2a supporters and could care less what you carry. Where u carry or where u are licensed. Even if it’s another state. So I think the assumptions are wrong. I can’t speak for the smaller towns who hire folks with little to no life experience or common sense. But that is where we are these days. Sad.

You can’t lump us all into one basket. Just like we can’t lump all the 2a supporters as radical republican zealots. (Which I am by the way).
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Welcome to NES. Seriously. And thank you for becoming a paid member and supporting our cause.
Also, thanks for having the balls to show up here, knowing it would be a tough crowd. It's a tough room for LEO's here.

Most of us are truly law abiding and take great care to stay in bounds, not because we agree with our insane legislators, but we cherish our ever threatened rights. Me personally, I don't drink and have never driven drunk, ever. I have never knowingly committed a felony and have never hit anyone except in defense of myself or a loved one.
But... there have been more than a few members here that have had their life upended, or out right ruined because of some overzealous cop or cops, and many of us have met or experienced cops that truly believe that they are the only ones that deserve the right to defend themselves or their family.
We also see time and time again that cops are given a pass or special privileges that would land most of us in prison or bankrupt or both. Most of us know some good cops, in fact I would say most of the cops on my local force are decent guys that really care about our community, but there are also a few that really shouldn't be cops, and unfortunately, those are the ones that you remember most. Or the cop that screwed up just once in a long career. You know what they say.. "One "oh shit" cancels one thousand "atta boys"

I hope you will stick around. There really are some great people here and as a community you would be amazed at how we rally to help complete strangers in need, and not just about gun stuff. Damn near any question you have, you will find multiple experts on the subject here. Plumbing, automotive, electrical, carpentry... you name it. Hell, sometimes I forget this is a gun forum.
 
bpd859 said:
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I would like to go back to the days where you got a kick in the ass by the beat cop who then called your parents who in turn gave you a second beating. No arrest. Good all day in my book.
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So you want permission to abuse minors again? Sounds great.

bpd859 said:
I’ve been buying a gun a month. Most have to be sent back because they are not on the list.
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Most people would learn their lesson to talk to the FFL after the first gun got sent back.
Did it ever dawn on your to check with the FFL before you order the firearm to ensure they don't have a problem with the transfer? Or is it more of a "I'm a cop and rules shouldn't apply" thing
 
CrackPot said:
Law enforcement is exempt from the magazine capacity restriction though can only carry while on duty. But there are no exemptions for anyone, including dealers, to sell/transfer large capacity feeding devices.
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Incorrect. You are allowed to transfer your pre-ban high cap magazines but you have to die first. Really. 😂
 
bpd859 said:
I hope I can help. I know folks on both sides. From the judge to the defense to prosecutors and most of people involved. I don’t condone what’s going on there. But I can say this, there were no drag marks from the house to where John was found. Even though it was snowing at a heavy rate. The depression would remain even as it snowed. Never rising to equal level.

The clothing bore no evidence of holes or bite marks consistent with bite marks. Head injuries to back of head cause intense swelling to the head which is exhibited in areas of the head where there are openings. The eyes and eye sockets. Coup and contra coup.

As for collecting evidence by the first on scene. Yeah they used cups to collect the blood. I do not have an issue with u have to use what you have available at that time to prevent degradation and destruction. It doesn’t change the DNA. It will preserve it for analysis.

I’ve been before the judge. I feel she is very conscientious. Sometimes too cautious. But fair.

I don’t feel as though he was beaten in the house. That many people sticking to same story. Unheard of. Get 10 cops in a room. We have 10 different uniforms on. We can’t even agree on a uniform of the day. lol. The only way to keep a secret between 3 people is to kill the other two.

It just wouldn’t sustain. And the Feds. Don’t get me started. Most criminal organization there is. If they had something to charge cops. They would’ve. I believe they care dropping their investigation.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc


Lol firsts asks NES about special cop privilege waivers on buying guns, now shows up and is covering for one of the most captain obvious corrupt police events in the modern history of the state...

Maybe a moredweeb sock puppet acct? Time will tell. Thanks for the laughs tho.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7M_NWTuGA
 
Mark from ? said:
Remember most around this website regard an LTC permission slip as a violation of 2A. Me included. We dont need or want cops permission. And that model is alive and well in like 43 other states. MA is f***ed up and violates 2a.

So not gonna get much traction here saying shit like that.And your gonna here shit you may not be ysed to from free thinking people that view cops as any other citizen with no special rights or privileges expected. In fact, they will hold cops to a higher standard.

Nor are you gonna get info on getting certain guns in state, nobody gets that, you have to put in the time and do your homework as this forum is public.
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FYI. Cops don't make laws or give permission for anything, so your argument holds zero water. The legislature, whom people elect do. People in your community, people that you support, people who are your friends in person, but kick you in the teeth when it come to gun ownership. Do you give them shit?? Probably not. But you blame cops for it?? In 34 years, I have never seen a legal, licensed gun owner be hassled by cops. Illegal, yeah you go to jail. That's on you. There is a game to everything, you just have to play it. I / we don't make the rules, the citizens and their legislature does, we just enforce what's on the books. You need a license for a car, a barbershop, a nursing license, ect. Why would you think guns would be any different?? I don't agree with it, but I get it.
 
drgrant said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc


Lol firsts asks NES about special cop privilege waivers on buying guns, now shows up and is covering for one of the most captain obvious corrupt police events in the modern history of the state...

Maybe a moredweeb sock puppet acct? Time will tell. Thanks for the laughs tho.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7M_NWTuGA
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No, no dweeb, sock puppet account and not defending anything. Just pointing out the facts, that the papers don't report. I could care less about friggin privilege's, just wanted to get information on an issue, that arose, from folks who tend to know more than the average cop. With 41,000 laws on the books, who knows them all?? Apparently you do.

And it also appears that you may have inside information on what transpired that evening, so enlighten us all would u. I'm dying to know.
 
RDG said:
So you want permission to abuse minors again? Sounds great.


Most people would learn their lesson to talk to the FFL after the first gun got sent back.
Did it ever dawn on your to check with the FFL before you order the firearm to ensure they don't have a problem with the transfer? Or is it more of a "I'm a cop and rules shouldn't apply" thing
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No, not the case. It taught us all a valuable lesson. There is always someone down the alley who can kick your ass and teach u a lesson to mind your manners, respect your parents and be grateful you didn't arrested. Otherwise, you ended up in court in front of Judge Cameron, who gave you two choices, Deer Island or Paris Island. That whole thing has been lost and you can see it in the kids being raised these days. No respect for elders, others, the law or themselves.
 
1. Asks if he gets special privileges as part of the kings guard
2. Refers to the "far right" when being faced with negative perception of police, of which he is one
3. Excuses lieing, SA, murder, taking away freedom, and ripping the constitution in two because bookeepers use the company card on vacation.
4. "HoW did YoU get An lTc" my brother in christ....
5. Braindead take on the karen read situation against a group of people that have watched every minute of every motion or hearing, but i'M a CoP sO I fUgGiN kNoW dOod
6. Flips out and responds to everyone, very clearly taking it personally

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

I think i might ironically like this guy
 
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bpd859 said:
I would argue that they all do. Except for the constitution part. So you have just told me that you feel as though it is perfectly fine to swindle, lie and steal from others because you haven’t sworn an oath. Yeah let me hire you. Clown. This is why almost everyone hates far right idiots. Do as I say. Not as I do.

For the record. This cupcake has done the job for 34 years without a complaint working in the toughest areas of the city. I have no intention of throwing in the towel.

Also, I don’t know one cop who has ever busted the balls of a law abiding citizen. Matter of fact. I gave a pass to a business owner who shot a thief 3 times in the back as he fled. Your issue is with the bosses. The heads of the departments and the legislature. Rank and file could care less and support 2a.
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So what you are saying that you wouldn't obey an order to violate someones constitutional rights even if it cost you your job ?
I already got the "Us against them" vibe when you insinuated pretty much everyone out there is a criminal of some sort.
And if you have never run into a cop who has busted the balls of a law abiding citizen , you must not get out much.
I have lots of L.E. friends and pretty much every department has at least one D-bag on it who does it regularly.
I know one Sargent who is a monster of a dude who bounced one patrol officer off all the walls of the break room because he got tired of that shit.
I've had mine busted on multiple occasions over my lifetime by power tripping turds who had no business wearing the uniform.
So please.
 
bpd859 said:
Oh that’s comforting. You obviously didn’t or couldn’t read what was said and posted. But that’s ok. I’ll put on the cops hat. How the Christ did you get an LTC.
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LMFAO. You join this forum (yesterday) and make this thread and try to convince everyone you're one of the good ones or whatever, and then say  this because someone posted a meme that hurt your fee-fees? As if that has anything to do with 2A rights. Man, that's some real Frog and Scorpion story type shit.

Hey, is it true that there's a maximum IQ restriction in order to become a cop?
 

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