New and “improved” gun laws. Hahaha

[whatluck]

Oh that’s comforting. You obviously didn’t or couldn’t read what was said and posted. But that’s ok. I’ll put on the cops hat. How the Christ did you get an LTC.

Your username clearly fits. You're a classic case study of borderline personality disorder.

 

[Mark from ?]

FYI. Cops don't make laws or give permission for anything, so your argument holds zero water. The legislature, whom people elect do. People in your community, people that you support, people who are your friends in person, but kick you in the teeth when it come to gun ownership. Do you give them shit?? Probably not. But you blame cops for it?? In 34 years, I have never seen a legal, licensed gun owner be hassled by cops. Illegal, yeah you go to jail. That's on you. There is a game to everything, you just have to play it. I / we don't make the rules, the citizens and their legislature does, we just enforce what's on the books. You need a license for a car, a barbershop, a nursing license, ect. Why would you think guns would be any different?? I don't agree with it, but I get it.

Because in most states in the US you dont need a license to own a gun. Why would you think otherwise.

I dont live in MA, but when I did, everytime they talked about taking LTC license permitting away from local police. They fought hard to keep it.

As far as cops not hassling law abiding gun owners….have an LTC, leave an empty shotgun leaning against a wall unsecured and call an emt or something for a medical call.

See if the cop that shows with them has common sense and just secures the gun no harm no foul, like in most other states would.

Or the owner gets charged and loses his LTC for life for the huge crime of leaving an empty shotgun leaning on a wall.

Im betting the latter, and many have lost their gun rights that way because cops never fxck with law abiding gun owners.

 

[deerdad]

I never said anything about a LTC. Where did that come from? Did you just assume? Isn't that like assuming PD will protect and uphold your legally protected constitutional rights even if it means they lose their pension?

Oh that’s comforting. You obviously didn’t or couldn’t read what was said and posted. But that’s ok. I’ll put on the cops hat. How the Christ did you get an LTC.

 

[FalArAk]

You folks should be happy knowing that there are vast amounts of officers who support the 2a and folks who defend it. But you just want to throw stones. I don’t get it. Like nobody on this thread has ever done anything wrong in their lives. Crazy. I stopped before I joined my friends who all moved to Walpole. The prison not the town.

The real question is how many of those same cops that say they support the 2A when faced with losing their pensions and violating someone's rights will choose the former over the latter?

Everything I ever needed to know or learn about cops was realized during the Covid lockdowns and how they dealt with Trump supporters vs antifa/BLM when Soros was paying the latter of those 2 groups to riot as to keep Trump from being re-elected.

They listened to their master.

Lessoned learned on my part, you guys drew the line, not "us".

Cops lost 90%(made up percentage, but it was a LOT) of the support they had during those times because a LOT of peoples eyes were opened as to who the cops will ultimately obey, and it wasn't their conscience.

 

[bpd859]

Because in most states in the US you dont need a license to own a gun. Why would you think otherwise.

I dont live in MA, but when I did, everytime they talked about taking LTC license permitting away from local police. They fought hard to keep it.

As far as cops not hassling law abiding gun owners….have an LTC, leave an empty shotgun leaning against a wall unsecured and call an emt or something for a medical call.

See if the cop that shows with them has common sense and just secures the gun no harm no foul, like in most other states would.

Or the owner gets charged and loses his LTC for life for the huge crime of leaving an empty shotgun leaning on a wall.

Im betting the latter, and many have lost their gun rights that way because cops never fxck with law abiding gun owners.

Well, in some states you do. This one happens to be one of them.
Wow, they placed a reasonable request to secure or secrete your firearms, that's insane!!
Would it kill you to maybe keep it out of sight? No, too easy, right. So, shame on you if you can't abide by simple rules.
I'd rather have a local Chief of Police issuing them.
More than likely they know you personally and are likely more apt to issue one to you, unless you are a complete a-hole. It could be some clown from the state who hates guns and refuses to issue one.

 

[bpd859]

The real question is how many of those same cops that say they support the 2A when faced with losing their pensions and violating someone's rights will choose the former over the latter?

Everything I ever needed to know or learn about cops was realized during the Covid lockdowns and how they dealt with Trump supporters vs antifa/BLM when Soros was paying the latter of those 2 groups to riot as to keep Trump from being re-elected.

They listened to their master.

Lessoned learned on my part, you guys drew the line, not "us".

Cops lost 90%(made up percentage, but it was a LOT) of the support they had during those times because a LOT of peoples eyes were opened as to who the cops will ultimately obey, and it wasn't their conscience.

Cops did and will not obey an unlawful order. As for violating somebody's rights, not sure they would do that. I'm not going to jail for any clown. Suppose the military was there and took action. Whose fault would it be?? Question? I don't know what you claim to do or be, but there had to be at least one time you faced an issue like this. Do as the boss says or pack yo shit and go home. I bet you kept your job, right??

 

[bpd859]

So what you are saying that you wouldn't obey an order to violate someones constitutional rights even if it cost you your job ?
I already got the "Us against them" vibe when you insinuated pretty much everyone out there is a criminal of some sort.
And if you have never run into a cop who has busted the balls of a law abiding citizen , you must not get out much.
I have lots of L.E. friends and pretty much every department has at least one D-bag on it who does it regularly.
I know one Sargent who is a monster of a dude who bounced one patrol officer off all the walls of the break room because he got tired of that shit.
I've had mine busted on multiple occasions over my lifetime by power tripping turds who had no business wearing the uniform.
So please.

Yes, absolutely. I would NOT obey an unlawful order. You don't have to.
The vibe question, I didn't insinuate anything. I said plainly, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Merely pointed out the fact that just about everyone has skirted the law in some way and got away with it. Smoking weed, public drinking, public urination, domestics, drinking and driving or just merely buzzed driving, cheated on taxes, ect. Didn't say they were criminals. Just said that we have all gotten away with something. Maybe you were a mommas boy or an Angel. I don't know. But I did have a lot of life experience.
As for D-Bags. Can you name me a profession that doesn't have any?? I'm waiting.
Sergeant. Took a stand I presume and corrected the D-bags attitude. Fine by me.
People get the balls busted when they don't like others telling them no, and refuse to do what they area asked and required by law to do. Like turn over your license and registration. Instead they debate, chastise, yell and call you a liar. Instead of just admitting they rolled through a stop sign or blew a red light. Because as we all know full well, there isn't one guilty person in jail. Just ask them.
So, Please.

 

[bpd859]

LMFAO. You join this forum (yesterday) and make this thread and try to convince everyone you're one of the good ones or whatever, and then say  this because someone posted a meme that hurt your fee-fees? As if that has anything to do with 2A rights. Man, that's some real Frog and Scorpion story type shit.

Hey, is it true that there's a maximum IQ restriction in order to become a cop?

There wasn't anything that hurt my feelings. Very tough to do. I was actually on this forum before. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it. I did not say I was one of the good guys, just that I have common sense. I asked a question, a very simple one and you all went bat shit crazy. So, clearly, it wasn't my feelings hurt at all.

 

[bpd859]

I do have to point out one very obvious fault with this whole thing. Trump was re-elected (rightfully so) because the Dems and Libs were way out of touch with reality. Jamming shit down people's throats. Our way or the highway. Very distasteful. People flipped the other way.

This is also true of the gun debate. Here I asked for simple clarification on an issue from some folks who live and breathe this shit and everyone comes out of the wood work to insult, harass, name call, and question a person whom they don't knows, integrity. Make assumptions based on nothing. Lump everyone into the same category. Very narrow minded.

Well the folks who make the laws in this state keep watch of the behavior of gun rights advocates, some are good, some are far right zealots. Who cannot fathom even a small restriction, like a license, OMG!! Or locking up or securing a firearm from being used against them, being found and used by a child or stolen. Wow, stolen. That is where all the crime guns come from in Mass. Stolen in house breaks in other states. Sometimes straw purchase, but mostly stolen. They are used to commit more crimes, like murder.

It's all about reasonableness. Be rational and get a lawyer. debate rationally. Make valid points. Don't go trying to intimidate or bully people. You guys have never learned that. More bees with honey, ect.

When you alienate people who support you, you make enemies, who will go out of their way to take away your rights.

Just a thought....all this over a simple question I needed clarification on..

 

[EMTDAD]

FFS

 

[drgrant]

Your username clearly fits. You're a classic case study of borderline personality disorder.

Shots fired. HADOUKEN!


View: https://youtu.be/-14W5XTqL5U?si=4h-KEdaay2bXjz9v


I knew this would not disappoint.

 

[drgrant]

I was actually on this forum before.

We're absolutely shocked that you're a f***ing sock puppet. Shocking.

 

[SpeedwayMike]

What PD does the B stand for? Bridgewater? Boston? Berlin? Just wanna know I’m never intend to go anywhere this chode has authority over me.

 

[Randy Lahey]

You can't be "pro-2A" and then say someone shouldn't have and LTC because you don't like their attitude. That's not how liberty works.

 

[bpd859]

1. Asks if he gets special privileges as part of the kings guard
2. Refers to the "far right" when being faced with negative perception of police, of which he is one
3. Excuses lieing, SA, murder, taking away freedom, and ripping the constitution in two because bookeepers use the company card on vacation.
4. "HoW did YoU get An lTc" my brother in christ....
5. Braindead take on the karen read situation against a group of people that have watched every minute of every motion or hearing, but i'M a CoP sO I fUgGiN kNoW dOod
6. Flips out and responds to everyone, very clearly taking it personally

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

I think i might ironically like this guy

1. Spell Check...is an option for you.

2. Didn't ask about special privileges' for me. Just asked a question.

3. Also, did not refer to the far right because of the negative perception of police..Could care less, I get paid a very good salary for doing my job. I actually like it. You should try working some day..because, if you clearly have time to watch all of the Karen Read debacle and listen to all the bullshit from both sides, then you need to get a life.

4. Also, unlike you and many others, I actually do have knowledge of the intricacies of the case, both public and private. The real shit that is being suppressed by the court. But, again my bad you know it all.

5. For one, never excused any illegal or immoral behavior on anyone's part.

6. And yes, again I'm questioning how some people actually get an LTC. But again, spelling and grammar is not a requirement, nor is being a nice person apparently.

7. Oh, not flipping out at all..actually, chuckling at all these asinine assertions and responses I'm getting for a question.

8. I'm just giving context to the statements that are clearly being made as an outright attack on me and my profession.

and for drgrant:

I'm sure you are watching the thread. Yes, I was formally a member of this group, same name actually and let it slip away. Could not remember my password. The reason I stopped posting and interacting was because of the same shit going on here. A pack of unreasonable ass wipes. Who think they are the cats shit when it comes to guns and rights and so forth, and will or cannot engage in debate, questioning, other valid points. So, this so called sock puppet completely understands why the 2nd Amd. is under attack from all sides. It's no friggin wonder. You folks all spew hatred.

 

[MisterHappy]

I do have to point out one very obvious fault with this whole thing. Trump was re-elected (rightfully so) because the Dems and Libs were way out of touch with reality. Jamming shit down people's throats. Our way or the highway. Very distasteful. People flipped the other way.

This is also true of the gun debate. Here I asked for simple clarification on an issue from some folks who live and breathe this shit and everyone comes out of the wood work to insult, harass, name call, and question a person whom they don't knows, integrity. Make assumptions based on nothing. Lump everyone into the same category. Very narrow minded.

Well the folks who make the laws in this state keep watch of the behavior of gun rights advocates, some are good, some are far right zealots. Who cannot fathom even a small restriction, like a license, OMG!! Or locking up or securing a firearm from being used against them, being found and used by a child or stolen. Wow, stolen. That is where all the crime guns come from in Mass. Stolen in house breaks in other states. Sometimes straw purchase, but mostly stolen. They are used to commit more crimes, like murder.

It's all about reasonableness. Be rational and get a lawyer. debate rationally. Make valid points. Don't go trying to intimidate or bully people. You guys have never learned that. More bees with honey, ect.

When you alienate people who support you, you make enemies, who will go out of their way to take away your rights.

Just a thought....all this over a simple question I needed clarification on..

OP:

Your first post

By chance does anyone know what and if there are any exemptions on law enforcement owning, possessing or buying handguns not on the Mass approved list. (Such a farce)

asks if the Forum has any info for you, about YOU having special privileges (i.e. exemptions for law enforcement), and you wonder why people that would not have the same privileges, become a bit salty.

Why the hell should a cop have privileges beyond that of a non-cop? If you "need" extra firepower to roll up on a crack house, then your Dept. armorer can issue what you need, and collect it at the end of the raid. If you're at home, you should be happy with what the barber, nurse and other folks get to have. If not, please explain why. I'm sure that the Forum would love to hear your reasoning.

I (and others) look forward to your commentary on the Cops Behaving Badly thread, if you care to chime in.


OH - can you let me know what the "farce" is....is it the presence of the Roster, or that you are constrained by it?

 

[bpd859]

You can't be "pro-2A" and then say someone shouldn't have and LTC because you don't like their attitude. That's not how liberty works.

Why not? Should you give a job at a reception desk to someone who has face and neck tattoos? Yes, absolutely, but really, would you? You're the owner of a company and someone comes in for a job interview and they have a sour attitude, nasty disposition, do you give them the job or move on to someone else?? This is the face of your company..don't you want someone suitable, trustworthy, of good moral character to be running the streets with a boatload of firearms...you have to weigh the risks when you issue licenses. If they get denied, appeal it to the district court. Have a judge take the responsibility.

 

[Randy Lahey]

Why not? Should you give a job at a reception desk to someone who has face and neck tattoos? Yes, absolutely, but really, would you? You're the owner of a company and someone comes in for a job interview and they have a sour attitude, nasty disposition, do you give them the job or move on to someone else?? This is the face of your company..don't you want someone suitable, trustworthy, of good moral character to be running the streets with a boatload of firearms...you have to weigh the risks when you issue licenses. If they get denied, appeal it to the district court. Have a judge take the responsibility.

Jawohl

 

[bpd859]

Javohl

Good response..Wow, very convincing...you can't or won't answer the questions posed.

 

[deerdad]

I believe it was already stated when this new and approved crap came about, 100% of police chiefs were against it until it was changed to exempt them and then it was OK because it would only infringe against the general public.

Who cannot fathom even a small restriction, like a license, OMG!

Small restriction? A fee plus having to go through a class to be allowed to exercise a constitutional right to purchase something from a pre approved list really sounds like an infringement.

 

[MisterHappy]

1. Spell Check...is an option for you.

2. Didn't ask about special privileges' for me. Just asked a question.

3. Also, did not refer to the far right because of the negative perception of police..Could care less, I get paid a very good salary for doing my job. I actually like it. You should try working some day..because, if you clearly have time to watch all of the Karen Read debacle and listen to all the bullshit from both sides, then you need to get a life.

4. Also, unlike you and many others, I actually do have knowledge of the intricacies of the case, both public and private. The real shit that is being suppressed by the court. But, again my bad you know it all.

5. For one, never excused any illegal or immoral behavior on anyone's part.

6. And yes, again I'm questioning how some people actually get an LTC. But again, spelling and grammar is not a requirement, nor is being a nice person apparently.

7. Oh, not flipping out at all..actually, chuckling at all these asinine assertions and responses I'm getting for a question.

8. I'm just giving context to the statements that are clearly being made as an outright attack on me and my profession.

and for drgrant:

I'm sure you are watching the thread. Yes, I was formally a member of this group, same name actually and let it slip away. Could not remember my password. The reason I stopped posting and interacting was because of the same shit going on here. A pack of unreasonable ass wipes. Who think they are the cats shit when it comes to guns and rights and so forth, and will or cannot engage in debate, questioning, other valid points. So, this so called sock puppet completely understands why the 2nd Amd. is under attack from all sides. It's no friggin wonder. You folks all spew hatred.

Re your point 1, "spell check":

These are some things that spell check does not catch (apparently), but there's an adage about stones, and glass houses.

I believe that you mean you were "formerly" a member of the group. I suppose that if you were a paid member, you were "formally" a Member, but that does not fit the context of the sentence.
It should be "cat's" or "cats' " shit. From context, the shit belongs to the cat(s), so the apostrophe is needed, as it's possessive.
"Ass wipes" should be "ass-wipes," I believe.

I'll not go into all the missing commas, as I have other things to attend to.

Motes and beams (Matthew 7, 1-5), and all that. If you're not a professional grammarian, best not to use it as a debate tool.

Re your point 2...see my post 76, where yes, you DO expect special privileges.

 

[Randy Lahey]

Good response..Wow, very convincing...you can't or won't answer the questions posed.

How did you get a badge? This is the most unhinged shit I've seen here.

 

[bpd859]

OP:

Your first post

By chance does anyone know what and if there are any exemptions on law enforcement owning, possessing or buying handguns not on the Mass approved list. (Such a farce)

asks if the Forum has any info for you, about YOU having special privileges (i.e. exemptions for law enforcement), and you wonder why people that would not have the same privileges, become a bit salty.

Why the hell should a cop have privileges beyond that of a non-cop? If you "need" extra firepower to roll up on a crack house, then your Dept. armorer can issue what you need, and collect it at the end of the raid. If you're at home, you should be happy with what the barber, nurse and other folks get to have. If not, please explain why. I'm sure that the Forum would love to hear your reasoning.

I (and others) look forward to your commentary on the Cops Behaving Badly thread, if you care to chime in.


OH - can you let me know what the "farce" is....is it the presence of the Roster, or that you are constrained by it?

Yes. I asked a question if there is one..it's actually not for me. But that is neither here or there. Lots of people in this world have very different privileges'. That is just they way life is. I don't like it..but it is what it is. Truthfully, tell me, would you take advantage of it if it was available to you?? C'mon, tell me. Tell us all. You would turn down a senior citizen discount? Military discount, a first responder discount (firefighter, EMS) or how about a discount for forklift drivers??

Extra firepower to roll up on a house?? None needed. I have plenty. Looking for PDW. for someone else who is retired. As for your comment about the nurse, barber and the like, you must've misread the comment. It said that they are required to get licenses. That most things require it. LTC here in Mass. is one of them. I also said that I DID NOT AGREE WITH IT. I don't agree with the list. It is a farce. If you have a license, you should be able to buy what you want. Is that clear. Because, this is really getting monotonous.

I'll check out that thread, thanks. Do you have one for forklift operators, mechanics, builders. contactors, all the other professions in the world that have unscrupulous people in them?? How about one for Uber drivers?? Or firearms instructors, FFL's? Oh, because we all know that there are no bad people there..

 

[bpd859]

How did you get a badge? This is the most unhinged shit I've seen here.

Still no answer..

 

[bpd859]

Re your point 1, "spell check":

These are some things that spell check does not catch (apparently), but there's an adage about stones, and glass houses.

I believe that you mean you were "formerly" a member of the group. I suppose that if you were a paid member, you were "formally" a Member, but that does not fit the context of the sentence.
It should be "cat's" or "cats' " shit. From context, the shit belongs to the cat(s), so the apostrophe is needed, as it's possessive.
"Ass wipes" should be "ass-wipes," I believe.

I'll not go into all the missing commas, as I have other things to attend to.

Motes and beams (Matthew 7, 1-5), and all that. If you're not a professional grammarian, best not to use it as a debate tool.

Re your point 2...see my post 76, where yes, you DO expect special privileges.

Thank you sir for the English lesson. Much appreciated. But I did look back at it. I am not looking for any privileges'..I asked about an exception. FYI, not for me..someone else who is retired. Sorry to get the granny panties all in a twist.

 

[bpd859]

Yes. I asked a question if there is one..it's actually not for me. But that is neither here or there. Lots of people in this world have very different privileges'. That is just they way life is. I don't like it..but it is what it is. Truthfully, tell me, would you take advantage of it if it was available to you?? C'mon, tell me. Tell us all. You would turn down a senior citizen discount? Military discount, a first responder discount (firefighter, EMS) or how about a discount for forklift drivers??

Extra firepower to roll up on a house?? None needed. I have plenty. Looking for PDW. for someone else who is retired. As for your comment about the nurse, barber and the like, you must've misread the comment. It said that they are required to get licenses. That most things require it. LTC here in Mass. is one of them. I also said that I DID NOT AGREE WITH IT. I don't agree with the list. It is a farce. If you have a license, you should be able to buy what you want. Is that clear. Because, this is really getting monotonous.

I'll check out that thread, thanks. Do you have one for forklift operators, mechanics, builders. contactors, all the other professions in the world that have unscrupulous people in them?? How about one for Uber drivers?? Or firearms instructors, FFL's? Oh, because we all know that there are no bad people there..

Still no answer. I'm not unhinged, perturbed that everyone here throws out shit and won't admit that they too would take advantage of any exception that was granted to you...

 

[MisterHappy]

Why not? Should you give a job at a reception desk to someone who has face and neck tattoos? Yes, absolutely, but really, would you? You're the owner of a company and someone comes in for a job interview and they have a sour attitude, nasty disposition, do you give them the job or move on to someone else?? This is the face of your company..don't you want someone suitable, trustworthy, of good moral character to be running the streets with a boatload of firearms...you have to weigh the risks when you issue licenses. If they get denied, appeal it to the district court. Have a judge take the responsibility.

There is a difference in a hiring decision be a private company, and restricting a person's rights, and liberties.

If a person does not have a statutory disqualifier, there is no reason to restrict their liberties. If you don't agree with this, you're not supporting the rule of law, but judgement by personal opinion.

If, "sour attitude, nasty disposition," should be a disqualifier for a job, a hell of a lot of cops should be looking for other jobs.

 

[milktree]

Thank you sir for the English lesson. Much appreciated. But I did look back at it. I am not looking for any privileges'..I asked about an exception. FYI, not for me..someone else who is retired. Sorry to get the granny panties all in a twist.

The fact that you don’t understand that “privilege” and “exception to laws that benefit you” are the same thing is why you’ll never understand any of this.

 

[bpd859]

I believe it was already stated when this new and approved crap came about, 100% of police chiefs were against it until it was changed to exempt them and then it was OK because it would only infringe against the general public.


Small restriction? A fee plus having to go through a class to be allowed to exercise a constitutional right to purchase something from a pre approved list really sounds like an infringement.

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News flash...no exemptions..that's it. None, for anyone. So what you stated is patently false.

It's an impediment, which I don't agree with. It will be appealed and won. Then the state will author another one and after 7-8 years, that too will be won. Its an ongoing cycle. A fee and a class. That applies to everything in life. Its always been there for all other things, but you pay and take the class and get your license. Like a drivers license. To me it's very simple..

 

[Randy Lahey]

Still no answer. I'm not unhinged, perturbed that everyone here throws out shit and won't admit that they too would take advantage of any exception that was granted to you...

You got the answer: No you cannot buy your friend any off roster firearms. Goodnight.