ok, i'm nuts...

[greencobra]

you all knew that anyway. i'm changing the gun i carry daily for the first time in 12 years. no, not to the newest and greatest, but i want to start carrying a 45 acp. i'm going with my colt combat commander or sig 220. i'm testing the ammo i want to carry now but it's getting expensive. i've been using cheap winchester white box bulk, 230 fmj until recently. just checking function in both guns. i stumbled on a buffalo bore vid on the subject and i'm trying to bring in their +p 255 gr hard cast flat point to try to see if will feed in either of my pistols reliably. i use 8 rd chip mccormick mags (pre wilson combat) in the colt and 8 rd sig mags for the 220 (i believe by mec-gar, branded sig).
as my long dead irish grandma use to say..."jesus, mary and joseph!" those are 40 bucks for a box of 20...+shipping costs, which i gather have haz mat charges as well. i'll need to order direct from buffalo bore, can't find anyone who stocks them, bass pro says they do, but they are always out of stock. i'd need at least 3 to 4 boxes for a rudimentary function test. i'd reload for testing then switch to factory loaded buff bores to carry but can't find a dupe of the bullet i'm wanting. sooo...silver tips anyone?

 

[Fixxah]

I carry my own home made .45 ammo when I carry other than 9mm.

 

[TG Pioneer]

Have you checked Midway? They usually stock Buffalo Bore.

 

[TG Pioneer]

Larry says out of stock, back order ok. $35/box.

 

[Picton]

I carry my own home made .45 ammo when I carry other than 9mm.

This.

Come to think of it, my 9mm is usually homemade, too.

 

[rogersmithiii]

I carry my own home made .45 ammo when I carry other than 9mm.

Not advisable.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpHAgBL4tf8

 

[Broc Tuah]

you all knew that anyway. i'm changing the gun i carry daily for the first time in 12 years. no, not to the newest and greatest, but i want to start carrying a 45 acp. i'm going with my colt combat commander or sig 220. i'm testing the ammo i want to carry now but it's getting expensive. i've been using cheap winchester white box bulk, 230 fmj until recently. just checking function in both guns. i stumbled on a buffalo bore vid on the subject and i'm trying to bring in their +p 255 gr hard cast flat point to try to see if will feed in either of my pistols reliably. i use 8 rd chip mccormick mags (pre wilson combat) in the colt and 8 rd sig mags for the 220 (i believe by mec-gar, branded sig).
as my long dead irish grandma use to say..."jesus, mary and joseph!" those are 40 bucks for a box of 20...+shipping costs, which i gather have haz mat charges as well. i'll need to order direct from buffalo bore, can't find anyone who stocks them, bass pro says they do, but they are always out of stock. i'd need at least 3 to 4 boxes for a rudimentary function test. i'd reload for testing then switch to factory loaded buff bores to carry but can't find a dupe of the bullet i'm wanting. sooo...silver tips anyone?

not to the newest and greatest

Newest is not always greatest.

I recently went with a PM9 for CCW. Much better (for me) than the 365 because it is more comfortable to carry. NES was sh*tting themselves telling me about the trigger and how it is old technology or whatever. LOL.

If it works, it works. Doesn't matter if it was designed last month or 30 years ago.

 

[paul73]

Not advisable.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpHAgBL4tf8

what a load of purest bull.
al those youtubes of paid promoters have nothing to do with reality.

 

[frenchman]

what a load of purest bull.
al those youtubes of paid promoters have nothing to do with reality.

When I see the name Ayoob, I immediately move on. He’s the grand wizard of Fudds.

 

[LakeTrout]

230 grain ball ammo has a good reputation. I wouldn’t hesitate to carry it.

 

[DarkJoker33]

My current carry is 45 acp was 40 for like 5 months or so.
Hornady critical defense or duty, I can't recall in the gun.
Backup mag is sig v crown

 

[Davidk]

When I see the name Ayoob, I immediately move on. He’s the grand wizard of Fudds.

Then you are the fool. If you had a even the slightest clue what Ayoob has done for the industry and training for the armed citizen you would not say that.

 

[frenchman]

Then you are the fool. If you had an even the slightest clue what Ayoob has done for the industry and training for the armed citizen you would not say that.

Been called worse. My statement stands. Ayoob is a walking, talking anachronism.

 

[MickeyD’s]

Been called worse. My statement stands. Ayoob is a walking, talking anachronism.

The guy is stuck in the past

Nothing lasts forever

 

[rogersmithiii]

what a load of purest bull.
al those youtubes of paid promoters have nothing to do with reality.

That’s what’s awesome about the US.

You can make your own choices, and live with the aftermath.

Everyone else here can weigh the arguments, and make their own decision.

 

[M60]

When I see the name Ayoob, I immediately move on. He’s the grand wizard of Fudds.

Championships too

 

[SS1]

+1 for the P220 in a Crossbreed Super Tuck
Have had mine for years, Hornady Critical Duty and have no reason to change.

 

[greencobra]

missouri bullets is showing the 255 rnfp bullet i want. i musta missed it first go around. i'll bring in 500 to play with...gotta hit that 920+ fps from a commander. i can experiment at the start with my norinco 1911. nothing should destroy that hunk of iron.












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[Mark from ?]

230 grain ball ammo has a good reputation. I wouldn’t hesitate to carry it.

Its all I carry in 45 acp unless its my g21. Then ill use underwood plus p

 

[cathouse01]

My self defense load for 45 acp is Doubletap's 230gr Bonded Defense JHP at 1000 fps out of a 5" barrel. Works well in all my 45s.

 

[Davidk]

230 grain ball ammo has a good reputation. I wouldn’t hesitate to carry it.

Fact: Ball ammo does much less damage to flesh compared to hollow points due to its lack of expansion
Fact: Ball ammo has much less stopping power compared to hollow points due to its lack of expansion
Fact: Ball ammo has a far greater chance of over penetration compared to hollow points which endangers everyone behind the target

 

[LakeTrout]

Fact: Ball ammo does much less damage to flesh compared to hollow points due to its lack of expansion
Fact: Ball ammo has much less stopping power compared to hollow points due to its lack of expansion
Fact: Ball ammo has a far greater chance of over penetration compared to hollow points which endangers everyone behind the target

The fact is 230 grain ball ammo has a proven track record to be adequate for the aforementioned purposes. It is a good choice, especially for the combat commander which may not reliably function with most hollow points. And it would cost a lot of us more than we can afford to “prove” that 1911 to be reliable with the hollow point of choice. 230 grain ball is proven, and is a good round. Would a hollow point be even better? Ya, I’d say so. But that’s not to say that 230 grain ball ammo is a bad choice or that it’s not effective. It’s very effective.

 

[LakeTrout]

missouri bullets is showing the 255 rnfp bullet i want. i musta missed it first go around. i'll bring in 500 to play with...gotta hit that 920+ fps from a commander. i can experiment at the start with my norinco 1911. nothing should destroy that hunk of iron.












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Let us know how you make out with this. Sounds like a hot load for a 45 ACP. I’d start low and work your way up but keep in mind you might not see pressure signs on the cases or primers, but it may be over pressure in the pistol. Especially the 1911.

 

[Davidk]

The fact is 230 grain ball ammo has a proven track record to be adequate for the aforementioned purposes. It is a good choice, especially for the combat commander which may not reliably function with most hollow points. And it would cost a lot of us more than we can afford to “prove” that 1911 to be reliable with the hollow point of choice. 230 grain ball is proven, and is a good round. Would a hollow point be even better? Ya, I’d say so. But that’s not to say that 230 grain ball ammo is a bad choice or that it’s not effective. It’s very effective.

Unfortuantely, that is not correct. Ball has the lowest of all stopping power and is a danger to bystanders due to over penetration.

Any gun that can not reliably feed HP ammo is not a good choice for defense

 

[whatluck]

Lol 45 ball will get the job done. If someone wants to carry ball ammo in a 45 and they're aware of what that round will do then more power to them. Still 1000x less gay than anything in .40

 

[Davidk]

Lol 45 ball will get the job done. If someone wants to carry ball ammo in a 45 and they're aware of what that round will do then more power to them. Still 1000x less gay than anything in .40

How is low stopping power and high possility of over penetration "getting the job done?"

40 cal HP will do a far better job than 45 ball

 

[LakeTrout]

Unfortuantely, that is not correct. Ball has the lowest of all stopping power and is a danger to bystanders due to over penetration.

Any gun that can not reliably feed HP ammo is not a good choice for defense

You are entitled to your opinion. But 230 grain ball ammo is proven to be very effective in terms of “stopping power”. Whether or not over penetration is a concern depends on the application or where someone is carrying. It’s a good round, has a proven track record of putting people in the dirt for good, and feeds reliably in all pistols that chamber 45 ACP. I recommend it.

 

[LakeTrout]

How is low stopping power and high possility of over penetration "getting the job done?"

40 cal HP will do a far better job than 45 ball

How much lower stopping power does 230 grain ball ammo have vs the equivalent hollow point?

 

[whatluck]

How is low stopping power and high possility of over penetration "getting the job done?"

40 cal HP will do a far better job than 45 ball

Maybe I want to shoot through concealment and light cover. Or maybe a windshield. Everyone brawls a different way.

 

[whatluck]

I personally like the 147 gr hst at 1000 fps but I'm not about to stand in front of a 230 gr ball round. Would probably penetrate a windshield and still turn your head into a canoe at 100 yards.