Sad trend I'm noticing

[Mountain]

Agreed but was thinking more the dealer ads.

Gotcha. Plenty of options in lever action.

 

[Len-2A Training]

The majority of those guns you are seeing are being sold on GB by New England Guns and Parts... also known as New England Ballistic Services, Inc., a Massachusetts bonded warehouse. This bonded warehouse, now the most active one in MA post-Dowd, is reportedly not a Massachusetts licensed firearms dealer and, therefore, does not openly sell its confiscated guns back to Massachusetts residents except by special (wink, wink) under the radar arrangement.

So no surprise here at all. It has been going on this way with them for many years now.

If they don't have a MA Dealer's license, then they could never return confiscated guns back to their rightful owner, assuming those owners paid the extortion fees that bonded warehouses demand.

 

[paul73]

could never return confiscated guns back to their rightful owner

and why would a business model like that would return anything back? how do cops call it - a 'civil asset forfeiture'?
like i always say it - problem is not the law, problem is the people.

 

[EJFudd]

If they don't have a MA Dealer's license, then they could never return confiscated guns back to their rightful owner, assuming those owners paid the extortion fees that bonded warehouses demand.

That's a very good point Len. Going to their website, I see they now claim to be "Federal and State Licensed."

Their statement re: MA on Gunbroker reads as follows:

"MA Bidders - NO handgun sales to Massachusetts residents. No face to face sales; we are not a gun shop and are not open to the public. We will ship MA compliant long guns to your FFL. You are responsible for checking with your FFL to be sure they will accept the item as MA compliant BEFORE you bid. We are required to collect sales tax on all sales to Massachusetts residents."

This is new in my experience. Formerly, it was no sales to MA residents... period.

 

[CrackPot]

Ok let's move past the typical " you can sell to who ever you want" responses. Since 8/1, the number of rifles I've seen Mass dealers listing on gun broker rather than keep in the state is saddening. I've already seen 2 wasr's, FEG, 3 preban ar's and 3 Norinco's being sold to people out of state. This morning there is yet another rifle being listed. Just banging my head on a wall. Worst part is that I have msg a couple of them and they said they wouldn't sell to me if I won the auction. Not one to complain much but this is very frustrating to me. End rant.

The WASRs have to go out of state. They have never been legal for inmates of MA to own. The old AWB read "AKs, all models". WASRs are post 94, assembled in the US from romanian kits, AKs. They are illegal assault weapons under the old law by way of enumeration.

But hey, that never stopped dealers from selling them, people from buying, and people from whining "but a dealer sold it to me". It does not change the fact that they have always been illegal in MA.

There is one loophole for them to NOW be legal. If a cop or dealer had it on 8/1, then it is grandfathered and could now be sold to a random inmate.

 

[Tartakovsky]

The WASRs have to go out of state. They have never been legal for inmates of MA to own. The old AWB read "AKs, all models". WASRs are post 94, assembled in the US from romanian kits, AKs. They are illegal assault weapons under the old law by way of enumeration.

But hey, that never stopped dealers from selling them, people from buying, and people from whining "but a dealer sold it to me". It does not change the fact that they have always been illegal in MA.

There is one loophole for them to NOW be legal. If a cop or dealer had it on 8/1, then it is grandfathered and could now be sold to a random inmate.

Help me understand the logic of “always was illegal as they’re enumerated in the old law” but “if lawfully possessed by cop or FFL on 8/1, legal to be transferred to and possessed by random LTC ma**h***”. This is typical MA mental gymnastics that’s above my pay grade or frankly most who are not a 2A attorney.

 

[CrackPot]

Help me understand the logic of “always was illegal as they’re enumerated in the old law” but “if lawfully possessed by cop or FFL on 8/1, legal to be transferred to and possessed by random LTC ma**h***”. This is typical MA mental gymnastics that’s above my pay grade or frankly most who are not a 2A attorney.

Always illegal for inmates. You. LTC holders.

Cops and MA dealers were exempt from the AWB under the old law. Now its on duty cops and 07 FFLs that are exempt from possession of ASFs and LCFD

 

[gws1063]

If they don't have a MA Dealer's license, then they could never return confiscated guns back to their rightful owner, assuming those owners paid the extortion fees that bonded warehouses demand.

Good point, Len. But is there anything in MA law that prevents a bonded warehouse from requiring that a return go through a third party such as an in-state FFL? The transfer fee would probably be insignificant compared to the extortion fee.
-Gary

 

[MGnoob]

I’m pretty sure you can sell anything to anybody you want. Put it in the portal that goes through. It’s not really your problem is it?

This is another pants shitting thread.

Trust me this states so f***ing useless it’s unbelievable

 

[Len-2A Training]

Good point, Len. But is there anything in MA law that prevents a bonded warehouse from requiring that a return go through a third party such as an in-state FFL? The transfer fee would probably be insignificant compared to the extortion fee.
-Gary

There probably isn't anything that requires a bonded warehouse to do a direct transfer back to the rightful owner, so they could use an intermediary. At least the prior law on bonded warehouses was paper-thin, didn't require anything other than an FFL with a secure storage area. No idea what the new law may or may not require.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Maybe some don’t want to play mass faggotry games? (Eg cosby rape fest) etc.?


5. Dealer just doesn't want to get into mass faggotry games including many retard/gay buyers who ask 480 questions about legality despite the fact that the dealer clearly takes 99.999% of the risks in this state.

5. Given the ambiguity of the latest legislation, the FFL would rather not risk losing their license.

Covered in #2

 

[Broc Tuah]

And you think selling these rifles out of state will be more profitable than in state? The last wasr sold for $700 last week. Could have easily sold that here for 1000. Watch the Norinco listed there now. I bet it will sell for around 12-1400. It could easily be sold here for $16-1800. Let's be real.

You should open an FFL and corner the market.

Think of the profits when every other FFL is sh*tting themselves.

 

[drgrant]

I guess in a nut shell that is my disappointment. This is why I've stayed loyal to the shops who didn't shy away from everything. Obviously being on NES the convo starts becoming something else other than its original intention. As someone who loves the 2nd amendment community and wants to see it grow, it just kills me to see these guns leaving knowing it will be harder and harder for newer gun owners to own them. I bring this up from that perspective, not a selfish one.

When it comes to this I only have sympathy for the people that just got license recently or whatever.....like 0 hour newbies. everybody else.... they've had like 6 months to several years to prepare for this garbage. Also from personal experience... even when you warn people they tend to not do anything with the information... and then so many weeks later they show up crying about how they don't have a lower or whatever.... and I'm like " dude I warned you about this like three times in the past like 6 months and for a few hundo youd be "safe" by now....but you dragged ass... and NOW you want it? " and to make matters worse usually these people are not like poor or anything either they're not telling you I wanted to buy the thing but I couldn't afford it. They were just lazy.

Like I have one newish guy that I've been helping out with a lot of stuff and he actually pays attention when I tell him something is important... and it's paid huuuuge dividends for him like four times in the past year. The rest don't listen or permanently saddle themselves with box store experiences...

 

[btnh6668]

When it comes to this I only have sympathy for the people that just got license recently or whatever.....like 0 hour newbies. everybody else.... they've had like 6 months to several years to prepare for this garbage. Also from personal experience... even when you warn people they tend to not do anything with the information... and then so many weeks later they show up crying about how they don't have a lower or whatever.... and I'm like " dude I warned you about this like three times in the past like 6 months and for a few hundo youd be "safe" by now....but you dragged ass... and NOW you want it? " and to make matters worse usually these people are not like poor or anything either they're not telling you I wanted to buy the thing but I couldn't afford it. They were just lazy.

Like I have one newish guy that I've been helping out with a lot of stuff and he actually pays attention when I tell him something is important... and it's paid huuuuge dividends for him like four times in the past year. The rest don't listen or permanently saddle themselves with box store experiences...

I seem to be spending more time finding rifles for other people than I do myself. Like you, I also have lots of people I warned and did not listen. I mostly help out the newer shooters. Sucks either way

 

[Dennis in MA]

reptile got a stash of garbage gen2 used glocks and tries to peddle them, at same time starting at least 5 different ways to talk about his noveske lowers stash and why it costs more now after 8/1.
meh, overall.

I'll take a Gen2 Glock. $350. That way, I can send it back to Glock for a frame upgrade and have a brandy-new feeling G19 for $500. Seems like a deal.

The going rate is $350, right????

 

[paul73]

going rate is $350, right????

ah-huh.

 

[KH56010]

Always illegal for inmates. You. LTC holders.

Cops and MA dealers were exempt from the AWB under the old law. Now its on duty cops and 07 FFLs that are exempt from possession of ASFs and LCFD

I've seen this a couple times, but can't find the CMR or MGL. Why is everyone stating "On Duty COPS" "Exempt from possession of ASFs and LCFD'? Doesn't SubSection (E) of 131M exempt all Qualified LEO under LEOSA from ASFs and LCFDs regardless of being on duty?

 

[Lank]

Maybe some don’t want to play mass faggotry games? (Eg cosby rape fest) etc.?


5. Dealer just doesn't want to get into mass faggotry games including many retard/gay buyers who ask 480 questions about legality despite the fact that the dealer clearly takes 99.999% of the risks in this state.

"Cosby rape fest"

 

[dcmdon]

There isn't any point in selling pre-ban guns out of state.

As far as I know, there aren't any more states where a pre(94)-ban gun gets you anything.

Not CT. Not MA.

 

[drgrant]

There isn't any point in selling pre-ban guns out of state.

As far as I know, there aren't any more states where a pre(94)-ban gun gets you anything.

Not CT. Not MA.

Some of them are collectibles for weirdos. Old colts and Norincos have value that supercedes the preban BS.

 

[paul73]

Some of them are collectibles for weirdos. Old colts and Norincos have value that supercedes the preban BS.

The generation to which those colts were of sentimental value disappears fast. For all the rest it is just a shitty old lower.
Just got an email from local shop - a 1989 colt sporter, like, $2300. You’ve got to be kidding.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

There probably isn't anything that requires a bonded warehouse to do a direct transfer back to the rightful owner, so they could use an intermediary. At least the prior law on bonded warehouses was paper-thin, didn't require anything other than an FFL with a secure storage area. No idea what the new law may or may not require.

Has anyone found out anything about what is required to be considered "bonded", and if the bonded warehouses actually have a bond?

 

[drgrant]

The generation to which those colts were of sentimental value disappears fast. For all the rest it is just a shitty old lower.
Just got an email from local shop - a 1989 colt sporter, like, $2300. You’ve got to be kidding.

Meh, there are a lot of weirdos that collect shit like that and it's not in one age segment, either.

Why do you think junk like Mosin and SKS are over $600? It's not because of only boomers, there's a new generation of gun owners that overpay for stuff. The guns wouldn't be that way if there wasn't a base overpaying for them.

You have to remove yourself- I'm betting you are a pre 2013 like I am. We mostly all think this sort of shit is insane.

Post 2013s on the other hand buy everything and buy stuff we wouldn't even touch. The mindset is alien to us.

 

[dcmdon]

The generation to which those colts were of sentimental value disappears fast. For all the rest it is just a shitty old lower.
Just got an email from local shop - a 1989 colt sporter, like, $2300. You’ve got to be kidding.

A shitty old lower with a screw rather than a pin.

Meh, there are a lot of weirdos that collect shit like that and it's not in one age segment, either.

Why do you think junk like Mosin and SKS are over $600? It's not because of only boomers, there's a new generation of gun owners that overpay for stuff. The guns wouldn't be that way if there wasn't a base overpaying for them.

You have to remove yourself- I'm betting you are a pre 2013 like I am. We mostly all think this sort of shit is insane.

Post 2013s on the other hand buy everything and buy stuff we wouldn't even touch. The mindset is alien to us.

I've never heard it broken out into pre 2013 (Sandy Hook) and post. But that makes perfect sense.

Old Mosins and SKS are just sh1tty guns, they were fun when you could get them for $120. But at $500, I can get a Savage Axis for less than that.

The Norinco 84s is actually. an awesome gun, so it should be worth something. But $2500 is crazy.

 

[Thirwell1216]

Just type in Preban on Gunbroker. Has both MA friendly stuff and odd ball stuff that collectors are looking for regardless of what state they are in.

 

[In God We Trust]

Ok let's move past the typical " you can sell to who ever you want" responses. Since 8/1, the number of rifles I've seen Mass dealers listing on gun broker rather than keep in the state is saddening. I've already seen 2 wasr's, FEG, 3 preban ar's and 3 Norinco's being sold to people out of state. This morning there is yet another rifle being listed. Just banging my head on a wall. Worst part is that I have msg a couple of them and they said they wouldn't sell to me if I won the auction. Not one to complain much but this is very frustrating to me. End rant.

(Checks safe) how much did they get for the WASR?

 

[paul73]

Meh, there are a lot of weirdos that collect shit like that and it's not in one age segment, either.

Why do you think junk like Mosin and SKS are over $600? It's not because of only boomers, there's a new generation of gun owners that overpay for stuff. The guns wouldn't be that way if there wasn't a base overpaying for them.

You have to remove yourself- I'm betting you are a pre 2013 like I am. We mostly all think this sort of shit is insane.

Post 2013s on the other hand buy everything and buy stuff we wouldn't even touch. The mindset is alien to us.

I think I saw an sks at $800 recently at one local shop, and it’s not much one can say about it. To each its own, I guess. Just odd.

 

[dcmdon]

Warning. Old guy rant to follow.

I've never spent more than $125 on an excellent quality Russian Mosin in the cosmoline.

I did spend $250 each once for 4 Finnish Mosins in pristine condition.

The other big change is the price of ammo. I used to pick up crates of 7.62x54 for a song. I quite literally have a lifetime supply stored at my place in NH. When you consider that each outing with a Russian Mosin is 20 rounds at max, it's not that much. Especially the M44s with the short barrels. Fun to shoot at night. Big fireball.

7.62 x 39 and 54 are comparable in cost to .223 these days. So why shoot crappy old rifles.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Warning. Old guy rant to follow.

I've never spent more than $125 on an excellent quality Russian Mosin in the cosmoline.

I did spend $250 each once for 4 Finnish Mosins in pristine condition.

The other big change is the price of ammo. I used to pick up crates of 7.62x54 for a song. I quite literally have a lifetime supply stored at my place in NH. When you consider that each outing with a Russian Mosin is 20 rounds at max, it's not that much. Especially the M44s with the short barrels. Fun to shoot at night. Big fireball.

7.62 x 39 and 54 are comparable in cost to .223 these days. So why shoot crappy old rifles.

Because once in a while you want to pull a trigger and have to go "ouch" afterwards. Doesn't happen with .223 these days. A rifle in 54 will remind you of the good ole days.

 

[richgetsy]

I contacted a few dealers inquiring about selling them a rifle. They all said they weren't interested. They couldn't sell it in this state. Funny, I bought it pre 8/1 no problem. Lol.