Report: Glock to Discontinue Numerous Models

[Masswhole]

Glock 49 (G17 slide, G19 grip) gone?

Wasn't that introduced just last year?

I chopped my G17G3 to fit G19 mags in 2014 and love that arrangement.

I would have thought that that arrangement would have been more popular.

I'm surprised they cut off it off so soon.

PSA had them on sale for 470 a couple days ago.
Back to normal pricing now.

 

[drgrant]

By easier to shoot I mean the pistols are, especially the doublestack .45's and their big grips. I have .40 and 10 Glocks and I feel more confident holding the .40 than I do the 10 because the grips are so chunky.

I don't find that to be a dumb idea, but I'm sure you would say if you want a smaller .45 grip, get a single stack like the 1911. I counter with make an all steel mag and up the capacity to 12 rounds and I wouldn't want to give up the capacity or dick around with an antiquated and overrated design which the 1911 is.

It turned out things like the XD .45 and the 21SF were "not too chunky" for most people so the market just skipped all this mental masturbation and went back to the normal cartridge.
Springfield had .45 GAP XD pistols too (with metal mags, BTW) which were possibly in your wheelhouse, all of which failed HARD commercially, just like Glocks, so it wasnt for lack of an attempt by at least one vendor. It didn't matter, nobody cared, that wasn't a big enough of an advantage to get someone to buy that over a diet .45 ACP handgun that took normal ammunition.

Tell me, besides price and availability, what makes the .45 ACP so much better than .45 GAP? Heavier loads in the 250-260 grain range? Okay, that's one thing I do like with the .45 ACP, but it's also something 95% of the people who own it don't care about probably because their 1911's can't handle it or feed it.

It's not intrinsically better it's literally that it's normal and .45 GAP is not.

You're making an argument for a cartridge based off a fairytale. (that 45 GAP would ever be economically viable, which is impossible. ) price and availability is pretty important. If the ammo is too expensive and hard to come by, people arent going to buy it.

Whats next, are you going to tell us you could have changed the market if you had a time
machine? I could change a lot of things with a time machine.

 

[JenkkiMike]

Ive never actually held a 43X, cant comment. I owned a Glock 42 and now I own a 43. I have tiny woman hands so i can deal wity small grips.

I have large hands and the 43X grip still feels too small. I got a 43 frame and I shoot it very well with the flat floor plate on the mags. For some reason I shoot better with my pinky finger resting under the mag rather than half hanging off like it does on the 43x or 43 with pinky extension on the mags.

 

[G4Y4HK]

I have large hands and the 43X grip still feels too small. I got a 43 frame and I shoot it very well with the flat floor plate on the mags. For some reason I shoot better with my pinky finger resting under the mag rather than half hanging off like it does on the 43x or 43 with pinky extension on the mags.

I'm in the same predicament. A fatter stubby grip is preferable but obviously not when carrying. No free lunch. I hope you already have an HK P30SK or VP9SK.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Cliffs?

Glock is condensing the line and getting rid of pistols that you or I would never look at. LOL

I've never understood why they manufacture previous-gen guns when a new gen comes out. Sort of like Ford still making the Mustang II 50 years later.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

I'm sure if the capacity of the .45 GAP Glocks and the ammo was as common as the .45 ACP was and the same price you and others would be singing a different tune.

Glock, glock!
Gwho's There!
GAP .45
GAP .45 Who?
Exactly.

I think you're confusing cause and effect. The reason why the ammo is uncommon is because the pistols failed to attract buyers. Any target market for .45 GAP disappeared after short-frame .45 ACP models were introduced.

As I see it, people who want "more bullet" than 9mm or .40 mostly fall into a couple of categories. The first are .45 ACP/1911 users/fans, and I don't mean that as a pejorative. They simply weren't and aren't interested in a new round. Then there's the "fortay is crippled" crowd who embraced 10mm. Had .45 Gap been a, say, 28,000 psi round, they might have been interested, but then Glock couldn't use the same frame.

As we saw with .30 Stupor Carry, unlike rifles, it seems next to impossible to establish a new mass-market pistol caliber. With modern self-defense ammo, 9mm, .45 ACP, and, yes, .40 satisfy 95+% of the market.

 

[M1911]

Why are some of these DC'd ones CA legal?

The only Glocks available for sale in CA are Gen 3. They have an approved handgun roster that is almost as effed up as the MA roster.

 

[spt_1955]

Glock is basically getting rid of a bunch of shit they don't sell well anymore like example gen 3 SF guns that kind of thing. For most people that aren't into old crap it's not even going to mean anything although the biggest thing is probably the demise of the 357 Sig models which I really kind of had hoped that they would have reinvented on Gen 5 even if 357 Sig is sort of a dead caliber at this point they already did the leg work for it when they built the G22 and G23 for Gen 5.

^^ This. Read the list slowly and think about what you are seeing. They are basically :

- dumping Gen3​

- discontinuing all the California compliant crap that means nothing to them business wise​

- Discontinuing all the non 9MM below Gen5 (10MM, 45ACP, 45GAP, 357SIG) they are probably keeping the 9MM and .40 because of the large LEO sales they have.​

- If they end up releasing the Gen6 this year they will end up with a lineup that has Gen4 LEO, Gen5 , and Gen 6. with GEN4 LEO being phased out as more organizations upgrade to Gen5.​

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PS - Len McGill didn't discover it. Glock sent out the list to many distributors and it's been posted on their European website for months (at least the English language version)​

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Discontinued pistols

Discontinued pistols

eu.glock.com

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[M1911]

Like the 43X?

The 43X has excellent balance IMHO but that extra inch and two ounces on the slide/barrel of the 48 does nothing for me.

Yeah, I have a 43x with a dot on it. I don’t need extra sight radius. The longer slide of the 48 can help with AIWB, to prevent the top of the gun from tipping out over your belt, but that can solved with a 43x in a 48 holster.

 

[LTCRN]

Is Glock going to focus on building the elusive rifle now?

 

[M1911]

I'm in the same predicament. A fatter stubby grip is preferable but obviously not when carrying. No free lunch. I hope you already have an HK P30SK or VP9SK.

I had a 26 for a short period of time. I absolutely despised that short, stubby grip. Yes, a 43x moves around more in my hands than my 19, but it is easier to carry. TANSTAAFL.

 

[JenkkiMike]

I'm in the same predicament. A fatter stubby grip is preferable but obviously not when carrying. No free lunch. I hope you already have an HK P30SK or VP9SK.

I don't have any HKs. The 43 is so easy to carry so I am happy with that. If I need more I just say screw it and carry a 17 OWB.

 

[yogi]

Is Glock going to focus on building the elusive rifle now?

In 45 GAP-LR

 

[appraiser]

I think G48 is a nice gun in the thin/small category just lacks capacity..

Although I rarely advocate for aftermarket magazines in pistols, the Shield 15 round magazines for the G48 and 43X have been proven reliable, the only potential down side is you should swap the mag release out to something metal because the metal Shield mags will eat the stock polymer magazine release at some point.

Do that and you end up with a very slim G17

do it with a 43X and it makes the G26 and G19 something you will move to safe queen status, with the caveat that if you want a rail for a light, or want a easy to use Crimson Trace laser the 19/26 are better choices.

Lights and lasers on the 43X and 48 are clumsy and finding good holsters for them is not easy.

But there seems to be a shift away from lasers to optics and IIRC both the 43X and 48 are available optic ready.

 

[Dench]

I had a 26 for a short period of time. I absolutely despised that short, stubby grip. Yes, a 43x moves around more in my hands than my 19, but it is easier to carry. TANSTAAFL.

My tiny size 7 ring finger hands dont mind it

 

[pdm]

I just hope im alive long enough to see what glock sells as the Glock 320

That's when they finally expand into hand grenades for the civvie market.

 

[M1911]

My tiny size 7 ring finger hands dont mind it

I wear a men’s large glove, so I have average sized hands. I have all of the massive arm musculature and grip strength that you would expect from someone who has spent a 35-year career pushing a mouse around, typing on a keyboard, and trying not to doze off in a conference room during meetings.

 

[Dench]

I wear a men’s large glove, so I have average sized hands. I have all of the massive arm musculature and grip strength that you would expect from someone who has spent a 35-year career pushing a mouse around, typing on a keyboard, and trying not to doze off in a conference room during meetings.

I wear medium or large depending on the glove. I just have skinny fingers. Granted ny hands are conditioned from juijitsu so at least theres that.

 

[T-Unit]

It turned out things like the XD .45 and the 21SF were "not too chunky" for most people so the market just skipped all this mental masturbation and went back to the normal cartridge.
Springfield had .45 GAP XD pistols too (with metal mags, BTW) which were possibly in your wheelhouse, all of which failed HARD commercially, just like Glocks, so it wasnt for lack of an attempt by at least one vendor. It didn't matter, nobody cared, that wasn't a big enough of an advantage to get someone to buy that over a diet .45 ACP handgun that took normal ammunition.



It's not intrinsically better it's literally that it's normal and .45 GAP is not.

You're making an argument for a cartridge based off a fairytale. (that 45 GAP would ever be economically viable, which is impossible. ) price and availability is pretty important. If the ammo is too expensive and hard to come by, people arent going to buy it.

Whats next, are you going to tell us you could have changed the market if you had a time
machine? I could change a lot of things with a time machine.

I can't change the market, but I deal with hard facts, not my personal likes and dislikes. The only reason the market didn't like .45 GAP is because it's .45 GAP, same reason the market doesn't like .357 Sig, .30 Super, or .32 NAA: ammo is expensive and hard to get compared to 9mm or there's a perception that the caliber isn't good enough.

Even if the .45 GAP was intrinsically better (which I lean towards it is because it's 90 years newer than .45 ACP) the market doesn't care about what's better, it cares about what it can get easily and cheaply. The only caliber the market has ignored that facet on is 5.7 because there's a mystique around it and it holds more than 9mm does and the market likes when it can get higher capacity.

The thought process that .45 GAP is stupid because it's .45 GAP is lazy. If people don't like it because they can't get the ammo, that's a valid reason to dislike it, same with the price of it.

And please, don't bother with the "negative value" thing again. I know reselling a .45 GAP is like trying to sell condoms to a nun.

 

[Dench]

I can't change the market, but I deal with hard facts, not my personal likes and dislikes. The only reason the market didn't like .45 GAP is because it's .45 GAP, same reason the market doesn't like .357 Sig, .30 Super, or .32 NAA: ammo is expensive and hard to get compared to 9mm or there's a perception that the caliber isn't good enough.

Even if the .45 GAP was intrinsically better (which I lean towards it is because it's 90 years newer than .45 ACP) the market doesn't care about what's better, it cares about what it can get easily and cheaply. The only caliber the market has ignored that facet on is 5.7 because there's a mystique around it and it holds more than 9mm does and the market likes when it can get higher capacity.

The thought process that .45 GAP is stupid because it's .45 GAP is lazy. If people don't like it because they can't get the ammo, that's a valid reason to dislike it, same with the price of it.

And please, don't bother with the "negative value" thing again. I know reselling a .45 GAP is like trying to sell condoms to a nun.

45 GAP never took off because it's not needed and next to no one asked for it.

9x19 4 life

 

[T-Unit]

45 GAP never took off because it's not needed and next to no one asked for it.

If .45 GAP were equal to 9mm in price and in every big box and LGS I doubt there'd be a lack of interest in it.

 

[Dench]

If .45 GAP were equal to 9mm in price and in every big box and LGS I doubt there'd be a lack of interest in it.

Its not though. And its not even close and it never was.

Plus you can carry more 9mm than 45 which is a major perk.

 

[AJK129]

If .45 GAP were equal to 9mm in price and in every big box and LGS I doubt there'd be a lack of interest in it.

If this is the argument for 45gap, it was never gonna make it.

 

[T-Unit]

If this is the argument for 45gap, it was never gonna make it.

No caliber is no matter what benefit or improvements it offers. The price of cheap 9mm is lack of alternative options that do things better that it can't.

 

[kalash]

If .45 GAP were equal to 9mm in price and in every big box and LGS I doubt there'd be a lack of interest in it.

If Pontiac made a car at the price point of a bicycle that had 1000hp, could seat fifteen, weighed 1800lbs, had Bentley levels of luxury, and got 50mpg, they'd still be in business. But they couldn't so they didn't so they aren't.

 

[M1911]

I can't change the market, but I deal with hard facts, not my personal likes and dislikes. The only reason the market didn't like .45 GAP is because it's .45 GAP, same reason the market doesn't like .357 Sig, .30 Super, or .32 NAA: ammo is expensive and hard to get compared to 9mm or there's a perception that the caliber isn't good enough.

Even if the .45 GAP was intrinsically better (which I lean towards it is because it's 90 years newer than .45 ACP) the market doesn't care about what's better, it cares about what it can get easily and cheaply. The only caliber the market has ignored that facet on is 5.7 because there's a mystique around it and it holds more than 9mm does and the market likes when it can get higher capacity.

The thought process that .45 GAP is stupid because it's .45 GAP is lazy. If people don't like it because they can't get the ammo, that's a valid reason to dislike it, same with the price of it.

And please, don't bother with the "negative value" thing again. I know reselling a .45 GAP is like trying to sell condoms to a nun.

I think your analysis is missing some important things. Bullet design has improved a lot over the last 30 years, to the point where 9x19 is good enough. Does .357 SIG have better terminal performance? Maybe. But that comes at the expensive of lower magazine capacity, higher cost, more recoil, and dramatically more flash and muzzle blast. The market decided that .357 SIG simply isn’t worth it.

As for .45 GAP, it has the advantage of allowing a smaller grip circumference, when compared to 45 ACP. But that is pretty much its only advantage. It comes at the cost of few guns chambered in 45 GAP, higher cost, and low availability. And 45 ACP isn’t gaining market share to begin with.

 

[AJK129]

If Pontiac made a car at the price point of a bicycle that had 1000hp, could seat fifteen, weighed 1800lbs, had Bentley levels of luxury, and got 50mpg, they'd still be in business. But they couldn't so they didn't so they aren't.

If mcdonalds sold wagyu beef at the price of a big mac everyone would eat there

 

[kalash]

You don't reload, do you? A 230gr projectile costs more than a 115gr one; larger casings use more brass; it takes more powder to push a heavier bullet. That's before you even get to basic economics of supply and demand. Yeah, no bleep 9mm is inexpensive.

 

[Sf Becket]

No, no, no...

Glock is dumping all this crap and spending more time on gun that are actually in demand.

Fo Tays suck!!!

Don’t discontinue the 42!

 

[Mark from ?]

You don't reload, do you? A 230gr projectile costs more than a 115gr one; larger casings use more brass; it takes more powder to push a heavier bullet. That's before you even get to basic economics of supply and demand. Yeah, no bleep 9mm is inexpensive.

Powder is about the same.....3-5 grains for most target 9mm/40/45 loads overall.....depending on powder......bullets are more expensive...but heavier bullets require less powder not more in the same cartridge.