Report: Glock to Discontinue Numerous Models

[Mark from ?]

Fanbois. More of these guns kaboom than run properly.
Ergonomics of a brick. Worst trigger in the industry. Rifling that leads up after 3 shots. Garbage mags you need to yank free of the gun. Sights reminiscent of a WWI 1911. All of that topped off with the fact your dog can chew it when he smells the bacon from your police trade in Glock you spent too much on because “Glock perfection” Gen X (aka still trying to fix it)

Lemme guess.....another one of the open mind people who never owned and shot said gun, but is glad to give an in depth review on how bad it sucks.

Yup they suck.....millions die every day to Kabooms....the media is covering it all up and blaming the Sig 320.

I own 1911's and Revolvers as well and they are great guns, but Im not going to dismiss Glock as not successful, there is a reason why everyone in their uncle are cloning them. Its pretty much the AR of handguns as parts and availability goes.....but Im sure you think AR's suck to.

I love lever guns and single actions....but I wouldn't want them for SHTF........

 

[Garys]

With 283,000,000 aftermarket parts available, including frames.

If you go to gun shows you see table after table with Glock add ons, near the tables with AR add ones, and then the tables with 1911 add ones.

Listening to the video, some of the guns are CA only deletions and some are nationwide (except MA of course) guns.

Isn't it amazing how it's been perfection for 5 generations?

 

[M1911]

Fanbois. More of these guns kaboom than run properly.
Ergonomics of a brick. Worst trigger in the industry. Rifling that leads up after 3 shots. Garbage mags you need to yank free of the gun. Sights reminiscent of a WWI 1911. All of that topped off with the fact your dog can chew it when he smells the bacon from your police trade in Glock you spent too much on because “Glock perfection” Gen X (aka still trying to fix it)

I currently own 7 Glocks. I’ve been shooting them for 35 years. I’ve shot over 50,000 rounds through Glocks. Most of those are 9mm but some .40S&W. I’ve never had or seen a Glock kaboom.

I’ve never had the rifling lead up, but I don’t shoot bare lead bullets.

Only the earliest unlined Glock mags didn’t drop free — that was a design requirement from the Austrian Army. Glock mags have been drop free for decades.

No, the sights aren’t in any way reminiscent of a WWI 1911. The stock Glock sights do suck, so I replace them immediately.

The trigger isn’t great. The ergonomics are a touch better now, but still feels like a brick. But they are reliable, accuracy is decent, they are cheap, and the capacity is good.

I’ve had a lot of 1911s, which are the polar opposite in many ways, but these days I carry and compete with Glocks.

 

[drgrant]

I can't change the market, but I deal with hard facts

Your posts here indicate you clearly do not.

The only reason the market didn't like .45 GAP is because it's .45 GAP, same reason the market doesn't like .357 Sig, .30 Super, or .32 NAA: ammo is expensive and hard to get compared to 9mm or there's a perception that the caliber isn't good enough.

.357 Sig at least likely outsold all of that shit combined when it was in its
prime. Because federal LE agencies used it to some degree. Then when that fad wore out so went the caliber. It also was right around the time that people figured out that "9mm wasn't really as bad as they thought". When .40 got incapacitated, it stumbled over and took .357 Sig with it, despite the fact that it was far less dumb than its parent cartridge. I met a whole bunch of people who had .357 sig handguns or conversions to
go to .357 Sig. I've met maybe like 2 people that bought a .45 GAP pistol on purpose.

Even if the .45 GAP was intrinsically better (which I lean towards it is because it's 90 years newer than .45 ACP)

It's absolutely not though. This is the part that is lost on you. Yes, it has a reinforced casehead. A feature which was never needed for oh, the better part of a century. I can lierally load up .45 ACP +++++ stuff and not blow up a gun with regular cases just
fine.

the market doesn't care about what's better

Sometimes it does depending on the application. (For example, look at the adoption of stuff like 6.5 Kardashian, it got popular because people figured out it was easier to hit stuff with it at distance. ) Or things like .300 BLK etc.

it cares about what it can get easily and cheaply. The only caliber the market has ignored that facet on is 5.7 because there's a mystique around it and it holds more than 9mm does and the market likes when it can get higher capacity.

The market for 5.7 x 28 is pretty small. Although it definitely outsells crap like .45 GAP and a lot of the other hipster cartridges you speak of, I think its mostly because of "ZOMG FiveSeven" and the fact that it makes fireballs without much recoil. It's fun to shoot even if it has no practical application. I think I sold a total of ONE of them where the guy said he was actually going to use his 5.7 pistol to kill small pests with it.

The thought process that .45 GAP is stupid because it's .45 GAP is lazy. If people don't like it because they can't get the ammo, that's a valid reason to dislike it, same with the price of it.

There's nothing lazy about it, it does absolutely nothing useful that 45 ACP doesnt already do and didn't do like for god only knows how many decades before it existed. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.

The very existence of .45 GAP created more problems than it would ever hope to solve. (gun shops often had to hide it behind the counter so nippleheads wouldn't buy it thinking it was .45 ACP, for starters. )

And please, don't bother with the "negative value" thing again. I know reselling a .45 GAP is like trying to sell condoms to a nun.

I don't really care about that in this case, but your defense of all this hipster bullshit is literally one of the funniest things ive ever witnessed on a forum. "Oh imma defend all the shit that was an abject, resounding failure because I think, it was secretly good. "

No, it's not. It was just crap. Like take off the fedora for a minute and touch grass or something.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Lemme guess.....another one of the open mind people who never owned and shot said gun, but is glad to give an in depth review on how bad it sucks.

Yup they suck.....millions die every day to Kabooms....the media is covering it all up and blaming the Sig 320.

I own 1911's and Revolvers as well and they are great guns, but Im not going to dismiss Glock as not successful, there is a reason why everyone in their uncle are cloning them. Its pretty much the AR of handguns as parts and availability goes.....but Im sure you think AR's suck to.

I love lever guns and single actions....but I wouldn't want them for SHTF........

I currently own 7 Glocks. I’ve been shooting them for 35 years. I’ve shot over 50,000 rounds through Glocks. Most of those are 9mm but some .40S&W. I’ve never had or seen a Glock kaboom.

I’ve never had the rifling lead up, but I don’t shoot bare lead bullets.

Only the earliest unlined Glock mags didn’t drop free — that was a design requirement from the Austrian Army. Glock mags have been drop free for decades.

No, the sights aren’t in any way reminiscent of a WWI 1911. The stock Glock sights do suck, so I replace them immediately.

The trigger isn’t great. The ergonomics are a touch better now, but still feels like a brick. But they are reliable, accuracy is decent, they are cheap, and the capacity is good.

I’ve had a lot of 1911s, which are the polar opposite in many ways, but these days I carry and compete with Glocks.

ummm...I think you both missed that he's yanking yer chains

well played, @38ExtraSpecial

 

[38ExtraSpecial]

Lemme guess.....another one of the open mind people who never owned and shot said gun, but is glad to give an in depth review on how bad it sucks.

Yup they suck.....millions die every day to Kabooms....the media is covering it all up and blaming the Sig 320.

I own 1911's and Revolvers as well and they are great guns, but Im not going to dismiss Glock as not successful, there is a reason why everyone in their uncle are cloning them. Its pretty much the AR of handguns as parts and availability goes.....but Im sure you think AR's suck to.

I love lever guns and single actions....but I wouldn't want them for SHTF........

If SHTF your glock will probably get eaten by moths while you sleep.

I currently own 7 Glocks. I’ve been shooting them for 35 years. I’ve shot over 50,000 rounds through Glocks. Most of those are 9mm but some .40S&W. I’ve never had or seen a Glock kaboom.

I’ve never had the rifling lead up, but I don’t shoot bare lead bullets.

Only the earliest unlined Glock mags didn’t drop free — that was a design requirement from the Austrian Army. Glock mags have been drop free for decades.

No, the sights aren’t in any way reminiscent of a WWI 1911. The stock Glock sights do suck, so I replace them immediately.

The trigger isn’t great. The ergonomics are a touch better now, but still feels like a brick. But they are reliable, accuracy is decent, they are cheap, and the capacity is good.

I’ve had a lot of 1911s, which are the polar opposite in many ways, but these days I carry and compete with Glocks.

Fotay shooter. I stopped reading right there.

ummm...I think you both missed that he's yanking yer chains

well played, @38ExtraSpecial

 

[nordic alien]

all plastic guns should be discontinued: wood, leather, steel only

 

[sjohnston0311]

all plastic guns should be discontinued: wood, leather, steel only

Ok boomer

 

[Nick Fury]

400 Corbon and .50GI those are some real Judge Dredd cartridges that found a home in Glock bodies. Too bad those never gained much traction. Some real drop the perp calibers there…

“I am the law!”

 

[Mark from ?]

If SHTF your glock will probably get eaten by moths while you sleep.

I stock extra frames in the bedstand drawer, so when the bedside glock frame gets melted by being to close to my wifes scented Xmas candle that we are using for heat and light during SHTF.....

I can rip the slide upper off and go right to work.

 

[M1911]

400 Corbon and .50GI those are some real Judge Dredd cartridges that found a home in Glock bodies. Too bad those never gained much traction. Some real drop the perp calibers there…

“I am the law!”

There is always best mm.

 

[free]

Lenny Magill discussing the different models that are reportedly being discontinued

Lenny Magill should be discontinued.

 

[T-Unit]

Powder is about the same.....3-5 grains for most target 9mm/40/45 loads overall.....depending on powder......bullets are more expensive...but heavier bullets require less powder not more in the same cartridge.

The cost of an 85 or 115gr heavier bullet isn't that much more, a few cents each. It's not so much more that it tips it into being so much more expensive that it hurts.

It's when the factory ammo is triple that it does.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

There's nothing lazy about it, it does absolutely nothing useful that 45 ACP doesnt already do and didn't do like for god only knows how many decades before it existed. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.

The raison d'etra for the 45GAP is the ability to fit a 45 projectile into a gunwith a grip frame the size of a 9mm. Whether or not that ability is useful is a matter of opinion.

 

[Mark from ?]

The cost of an 85 or 115gr heavier bullet isn't that much more, a few cents each. It's not so much more that it tips it into being so much more expensive that it hurts.

It's when the factory ammo is triple that it does.

Some times heavier is less.......for instance I just got a great deal on some 147 grain for 9mm on closeout......less than 115 or 124 grain normally are. Then I can cut powder use down by 1/4 vs. 115.....its a win/win. I could care less about what happens with these, Im just throwing them down range at steel.

Overall that's flinty as hell for 9mm because its cheap now anyway.....like 10 a box....I still buy it at TSUSA......and I have a hard time even bothering reloading it...but since I have the cases, and the time, I do if I can get some sales on bullets and powder.

45 acp is more no matter how you slice it...bullets are gonna be more than 9mm. I reload 45 because its way more worth it.

 

[M1911]

The cost of an 85 or 115gr heavier bullet isn't that much more, a few cents each. It's not so much more that it tips it into being so much more expensive that it hurts.

It's when the factory ammo is triple that it does.

Here are costs from a reloader's perspective.

9mm 115gr RN coated bullets, 750 @ $73.14 = ¢9.8 per bullet
9mm 147gr FP coated bullets, 750 @ $85.13 = ¢11.4 per bullet
45ACP 230gr RN coated bullets, 650 @ $102.59 = ¢15.8 per bullet

That is 61% more for the 45 ACP compared to 115gr 9mm.

The Blue Bullets

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For copper jacketed plated bullets, Zero Bullets:
9mm 115gr FMJ RN, 500 @ 61.99 = ¢12.4 per bullet
9mm 147gr FMJ RN, 500 @ 66.99 = ¢13.4 per bullet
45 ACP 230gr FMJ RN, 500 @ 85.99 = ¢17.2 per bullet

That is 39% more for the 45 ACP compared to 115gr 9mm

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[DarkJoker33]

But this will kill .40 caliber

Doubt it

 

[Rob Boudrie]

For copper plated bullets, Zero Bullets:

It is worthwhile to differentiate between copper plated and copper jacketed.

Plated - A very thin coating that can be scraped to lead with a pocked knife, generally applied as a copper wash. The copper covers all surfaces of the bullet. You can spot this because you can see the underlying texture of the lead through the copper. Blazer brass cased so-called "jacketed" ammo is actually copper plated.

Jacketed - A thicker layer of copper generally swadged over the bullet. There is less than 100% coverage of the copper - you generally see either an exposed lead base; a hollow point with visible lead in the center, or a lead tip. Zero bullets are jacketed, not plated. You can't easily get to the lead by scratching this with a pocket knife, and the lead surface is smooth, not following the fine texture of the lead underneath.

Plated is generally priced between plain lead and jacketed.

 

[M1911]

It is worthwhile to differentiate between copper plated and copper jacketed.

Plated - A very thin coating that can be scraped to lead with a pocked knife, generally applied as a copper wash. The copper covers all surfaces of the bullet. You can spot this because you can see the underlying texture of the lead through the copper. Blazer brass cased so-called "jacketed" ammo is actually copper plated.

Jacketed - A thicker layer of copper generally swadged over the bullet. There is less than 100% coverage of the copper - you generally see either an exposed lead base; a hollow point with visible lead in the center, or a lead tip. Zero bullets are jacketed, not plated.

Plated is generally priced between plain lead and jacketed.

I meant jacketed. Fixed.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I meant jacketed. Fixed.

It's a common source of confusion, and Blazer even lies on their packaging.

 

[M1911]

It's a common source of confusion, and Blazer even lies on their packaging.

Yeah, but I know better. I've loaded lead, coated, plated, and jacketed (both FMJ and JHP).

 

[DarkJoker33]

I stock extra frames in the bedstand drawer, so when the bedside glock frame gets melted by being to close to my wifes scented Xmas candle that we are using for heat and light during SHTF.....

Thought that was an exclusive FN trait?

 

[drgrant]

The raison d'etra for the 45GAP is the ability to fit a 45 projectile into a gunwith a grip frame the size of a 9mm. Whether or not that ability is useful is a matter of opinion.

Thr industry showed that difference was meaningless in pretty short order.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Yeah, but I know better. I've loaded lead, coated, plated, and jacketed (both FMJ and JHP).

I never meant to suggest you were one of the confused

 

[Bender]

It's like when you instantly know the restaurant sucks because the menu has too many pages

Oddly enough, Cheesecake Factory has some of the highest revenue numbers [$ / square foot] year after year.

 

[Marty McFly]

Oddly enough, Cheesecake Factory has some of the highest revenue numbers [$ / square foot] year after year.

Fat people keep them going

 

[T-Unit]

The raison d'etra for the 45GAP is the ability to fit a 45 projectile into a gunwith a grip frame the size of a 9mm. Whether or not that ability is useful is a matter of opinion.

If someone shoots that smaller grip framed .45 GAP better than a larger .45 ACP, then it's useful to that person.

I will say, I'm basing my opinion on things that are not universal to everyone. Not everyone is going to shoot better with that smaller grip, but those who are used to shooting 9mm (which is most people) will have the same size grip as their 9, but in .45.

 

[T-Unit]

Here are costs from a reloader's perspective.

9mm 115gr RN coated bullets, 750 @ $73.14 = ¢9.8 per bullet
9mm 147gr FP coated bullets, 750 @ $85.13 = ¢11.4 per bullet
45ACP 230gr RN coated bullets, 650 @ $102.59 = ¢15.8 per bullet

That is 61% more for the 45 ACP compared to 115gr 9mm.

The Blue Bullets

thebluebullets.com

For copper jacketed plated bullets, Zero Bullets:
9mm 115gr FMJ RN, 500 @ 61.99 = ¢12.4 per bullet
9mm 147gr FMJ RN, 500 @ 66.99 = ¢13.4 per bullet
45 ACP 230gr FMJ RN, 500 @ 85.99 = ¢17.2 per bullet

That is 39% more for the 45 ACP compared to 115gr 9mm

Bullets - Powder Valley Bulk Bullets Superstore for Reloading Supplies

Shop for all bulk bullets at discount pricing. Berrys, Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, Swift, Prvi Partizan, Berger, Lapua, Zero. Best Prices Guaranteed

www.powdervalley.com

It's not worth my time to reload 9mm, but it is to reload .45 of any variety. 39% more, it could be 99% more, still worth it to me.

And still costs much less than .45 GAP Speer ammo does.

 

[Mark from ?]

It's not worth my time to reload 9mm, but it is to reload .45 of any variety. 39% more, it could be 99% more, still worth it to me.

And still costs much less than .45 GAP Speer ammo does.

Tough to justify...I just re-set up my reloader for 9mm cause I shoot it alot........its annoying as hell to me...switching between LPP and SPP......but with the time I have now and the bullets I already own tough to say no to doing it. Cause as usual....when doing this shit, now....I run out of primers.....I had sworn off small pistol primers and now I gotta buy another 1K. Stupid.

 

[Trupo]

The real drawback for .45 GAP is its just f***ing stupid. It doesn't do anything.

Buying anything in .45 GAP is just punching oneself in the dick. Like several times in a row.

I have never "gotten" 45Gap, seemed like an answer to a question no one asked.

357Sig however is something I hope never goes away, best readily available "9mm" out there hands down. For those that doubt, check out the slow-mo of the temporary wound cavity @1:28 here, no 9mm +P+++++ delivers that.


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