How do you think the popularity of the 45 compares to the 43 and the 19?
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Report: Glock to Discontinue Numerous Models
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CA essentially froze the compliance roster. Basically anything certified by X was legal for sale, after X it had to meet (some additional bullshit list of bullshit here) Glock said "f*** you" to CA and just kept pumping Gen3s into the state instead of trying to go through the hula hoops.
Glock 49 (G17 slide, G19 grip) gone?
Wasn't that introduced just last year?
I chopped my G17G3 to fit G19 mags in 2014 and love that arrangement.
I would have thought that that arrangement would have been more popular.
I'm surprised they cut off it off so soon.
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Theres probably a pile of those guns in the channel and theyll probably be available for awhile regardless. We're going into another trump slump so theyre probably cutting off production of stuff that doesnt sell well and they know they can bring it back if there is ever real demand. d
It is similar to the difference in the grips of a G26 vs a G19
The 26 grip is not long enough for me to be comfortable with without a extended floor plate but the 19 is good.
The 43X grip is similar to a G19 in length and is why I say if you can live with the 10 round mags or swap the mag release and use Shield 15 round magazines it is a better gun than the G26 assuming you don't need the rail and it gives the G19 a run for the money with the Shield mags again giving up the rail.
They already did that years ago outside of some blue label SKUs because of shelf rot. Its not fair to consumers if they get a gun with NS in it where the Tritium has been burning off for 2 years before you bought the gun.
I bet Glock will continue to make the Gen5 .40 variants at least for a while unless those are on the list.
.40 isn't going anywhere, although there's definitely a huge decrease in new .40's being made and sold. The installed base of guns is still gigantic.
I've been hearing about the death of .40 for decades. With all the .40s currently out there, I don't see the point in making new ones (unless there are LE departments out in rural areas that want the extra punch over 9mm), but the .40 is going to be around for a long time.
.357 Sig is just a hot 9mm and I'm not sure what extra effect it has on target that makes it worth the price. The bottleneck nature makes it very reliable for feeding, it's nice it can be converted to or from .40, but it's not like the extra velocity adds that much more to its effective range. Factory ammo is getting pricier for this every year and reloading it is more work, so I think it's dead.
.45 GAP is one that I've been thinking about recently. It shoots faster than .40 does with heavier bullets, but at the lighter end of loadings the .40 has better sectional density and I'd question if the hollow points for .45 GAP won't over expand and suffer from shallow penetration. I've also read that the heavy loadings can shoot inaccurately, but If the Glocks can shoot the 230gr well, then no problemo and I have read some people prefer shooting their .45 GAP to a Glock 21 or 30 because the grip is smaller.
The real drawback for .45 GAP is the low capacity. It's not more difficult to reload than any other straight wall case, so even if factory ammo is pricey that doesn't bother me. .45 GAP is the cheapest Glock you can buy used and every time I think about getting one I end up looking at used G21's and 30's and the prices for them are only 50-75 more and infinitely more resellable and hesitate. Doesn't help that the 38 is the GAP I'm most interested in and they're the least available.
.45 GAP has no signs of life, so it's even more dead than .357 Sig, but for reloaders calibers are like the multiverse in a Marvel movie- nothing/nobody is ever really dead and the .45 GAP is an easy monster for Dr. Reloaderstein to bring back to life.
Try to think beyond your liberal emotional reaction and look at the facts I just laid out. If someone would do a Shield Arms and make an all steel mag and go the capacity up to 12 or 13 for the full size there would be no capacity drawback for a Glock 37 and the ballistics show it's more powerful than standard pressure .45 ACP in a smaller pistol.The real drawback for .45 GAP is its just f***ing stupid.It doesn't do anything.
Buying anything in .45 GAP is just punching oneself in the dick. Like several times in a row.
Leaving out the factory ammo problem (it's expensive and hard to find) I don't see how a smaller pistol that's easier to shoot and shoots faster than .45 ACP doesn't make it better than .45 ACP.
I'm sure if the capacity of the .45 GAP Glocks and the ammo was as common as the .45 ACP was and the same price you and others would be singing a different tune.
And because of that reality I do understand why people don't bother with it.
But the sectional density!!!!!!!The real drawback for .45 GAP is its just f***ing stupid.
Buying anything in .45 GAP is just punching oneself in the dick. Like several times in a row.
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Trend is G45....bigger handle shorter slide......I've been just carrying a full size for years cause i hated the small handle micro guns.Glock 49 (G17 slide, G19 grip) gone?
Wasn't that introduced just last year?
I chopped my G17G3 to fit G19 mags in 2014 and love that arrangement.
I would have thought that that arrangement would have been more popular.
I'm surprised they cut off it off so soon.
Shortest I'll go is a G19 handle. If you just buy a 47 itll be 17 size, and you can throw a 19 slide on it. Same spring.....I would just buy both and have redundant parts.
I think G48 is a nice gun in the thin/small category just lacks capacity...my Mossberg MC2C is really reliable and cheap as shit in that space and carries 16 with a bit longer handle which I like alot. I don't care about shtf mags and all that in that space.
No reason to make anything without a RMR cut on it anymore as the competition both Turkish and American are there already for alot cheaper.
Same with the N/S models....trend is windshields for some stupid reason for carry.
Ive been hearing about DQing .40 for a while now.....Ive got conversions for my G22 for 9mm and 357, and I can reload 40 as well. But don't really care....Ive got a bunch of 17's as STHF bug out bag guns, and like everyone else as you get older just going to 9mm.
45 GAP was ALWAYS stupid.......
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There is no liberal emotion, it was just a dumb idea created by some Glock engineer that was trying to take a shortcut in concert with some marketing types and it got out of hand. It's literally that simple. Lol... 45 gap was a hackneyed idea to begin with.
Also I don't understand "easier to shoot" considering its functionally not much different ballistically than .45 ACP. It's basically "kinda plus P" but not by leaps and bounds. Physics is not your strong suit apparently. It probably feels like slightly hotter 45 on a good day, but even that's subjective. You can get +P velocities in some cases without even being in +P pressure zones. (Win Ranger and some other ammo is like this. )
This idea was stupid and there is no alternative universe in which it would be considered a great idea.
I mean believe in gun hipsterism if you want, but it never works out in reality. I'll even go there.... .45 GAP was even an exponentially dumber idea than .40 S&W was.
At least the .40 people were in the darkness of wound ballistics science at the time it was created. Ironically the best thing about .45 GAP is it ultimately drove manufacturers to come out with more .45 ACP handguns and put them on a diet, so there is that.... It DID start a discussion, even though the cartridge was shit, it started a trend towards developing newer .45 ACP handguns in a variety of form factors. Glock probably, in hindsight likely didnt regret it because of the .45 ACP sales in guns like the 30SF/21SF that followed it some time later....
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Yeah...OK......best selling gun known to man and the most modular and most parts availability and cross compatability.....GMAFB. Every one Ive bought has run out of the box without a FTF or bobble ever.
I think they are seeing mega competition with their patent running out in the Gen 3 space......
I mean i just built a 19 with an SCT frame and dagger upper with RMR cut and threaded barrel, and all sorts of slide cuts, steel guide rod, and steel suppressor height sights (not night) for 275 dollars.
Thing runs like a top...and is pretty cool looking. They are still trying to sell their G19 Gen 3 for 500 dollars. Who would buy it?
Even a Gen 5 19 MOS at $620? Why other than maybe resale value? Got Ruger out there for $350 with steel night sight on it, and Dagger Franken gun mix ups way cheaper that run.
They were slow to innovate....and now they need to streamline. They are popular...but their competition is offering more for the money at a lower price.
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By easier to shoot I mean the pistols are, especially the doublestack .45's and their big grips. I have .40 and 10 Glocks and I feel more confident holding the .40 than I do the 10 because the grips are so chunky.There is no liberal emotion, it was just a dumb idea created by some Glock engineer that was trying to take a shortcut in concert with some marketing types and it got out of hand. It's literally that simple. Lol... 45 gap was a hackneyed idea to begin with.
Also I don't understand "easier to shoot" considering its functionally not much different ballistically than .45 ACP. It's basically "kinda plus P" but not by leaps and bounds. Physics is not your strong suit apparently. It probably feels like slightly hotter 45 on a good day, but even that's subjective. You can get +P velocities in some cases without even being in +P pressure zones. (Win Ranger and some other ammo is like this. )
This idea was stupid and there is no alternative universe in which it would be considered a great idea.
I'll even go there.... .45 GAP was even an exponentially dumber idea than .40 S&W was.
Ironically the best thing about .45 GAP is it ultimately drove manufacturers to come out with more .45 ACP handguns and put them on a diet, so there is that.... It DID start a discussion, even though the cartridge was shit, it started a trend towards developing newer .45 ACP handguns in a variety of form factors. Glock probably, in hindsight likely didnt regret it because of the .45 ACP sales in guns like the 30SF/21SF that followed it some time later....
I don't find that to be a dumb idea, but I'm sure you would say if you want a smaller .45 grip, get a single stack like the 1911. I counter with make an all steel mag and up the capacity to 12 rounds and I wouldn't want to give up the capacity or dick around with an antiquated and overrated design which the 1911 is.
Tell me, besides price and availability, what makes the .45 ACP so much better than .45 GAP? Heavier loads in the 250-260 grain range? Okay, that's one thing I do like with the .45 ACP, but it's also something 95% of the people who own it don't care about probably because their 1911's can't handle it or feed it.
IMO, the idea was novel, but poorly executed. The market has clearly moved away from .45 of all types because it wants capacity or more power, which 9 and 10mm do.
Everyone that isn't a gun hipster/enthusiast/skinflint will buy it. People like yourself (or most of us here for that matter) are no longer the primary buying demo of most of these guns. Glock et al are not competing against the erector set skinflint universe, those two groups of buyers might as well be on different planets. And yes, people dont buy as many Gen3 these days, but shops arent stocking as much of them, either, unless they cant get anything else.
Will this competition cut into their bottom line? Probably a little, but not nearly as much as you think it will. Even back when the "DIY choose your own adventure glock clone" thing was starting to become a thing 10+ yrs ago, most of these builders were not buying new
guns anyways. They were getting things like LE trades for a cheap frame and they'd build something off that. That's literally a whole other secondary market vs the one most handgun manufacturers compete in at retail. Factory clones like ruger, dagger et al? Sure the skinflints might buy those over a normal Glock. But even that isn't a huge chunk of the market. This isn't a "new" thing btw. Companies like Taurus have been making decent near-clones for years. And the people shopping those generally don't cross shop anyways. If there was one thing that was dinging glock even a little, it would only be the "Sig P365 LMNOPQ BBQ EDITION AXG" stuff going on. Sig's stuff is actually in mainstream sales and has products that are distinctly different from Glock's.
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Yes, its pure garbage that revolutionized the industry and played a huge role in arming large numbers of americans.
Fanbois. More of these guns kaboom than run properly.
Ergonomics of a brick. Worst trigger in the industry. Rifling that leads up after 3 shots. Garbage mags you need to yank free of the gun. Sights reminiscent of a WWI 1911. All of that topped off with the fact your dog can chew it when he smells the bacon from your police trade in Glock you spent too much on because “Glock perfection” Gen X (aka still trying to fix it)
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