Texas is pro gun but……

drgrant said:
That's probably the poorest set of reasoning for the difference between the two states. [rofl]

The most substantial thing is you don't need permission to just own guns in TX. You can just go buy them if you're not a criminal. Like a loaf of bread or bottle of booze with some extra paperwork.
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In TX you cannot have your gun or carry right cancelled because you were charged but never prosecuted, found not guilty, exercised you 5th amendment rights or were denouinced by a party you cannot cross examine. Unless Tx added red flag, but even then, the scope of what can be used to make you less than a full citizen is much narrower than in MA.
 
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bren42970 said:
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Texas No Gun Sign Laws Explained | Walker & Taylor Law

Texas "no gun" sign laws explained by attorneys. Learn all about 51%, 30.05, 30.06, 30.07, blue signs, oh my!
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Very similar at to mass law, except the constitutional carry law of 2021 makes it obsolete. If the business makes 51% or more in alcohol sales, no go. What’s mass, 50%? Similar laws, just posted in Texas… I have no LTC, I carry in Texas daily
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MA is "no carry under influence", but no specific bar/restaurant ban. Until recently, there was no cutoff and one could be under OUI limit of .08 and still guilty of CUI because guns are more dangerous than cars (yes, a MA court said that). The recent law changed it to a .08 cutoff for CUI. I think.
 
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You can also open or concealed carry without a LTC down here. There are few advantages to an LTC, one of which is no NICS check when buying from a FFL. You still have to fill out a 4473, but because the DPS ran a background check on you the FFL doesn't have to call it in. Also, some FFLs will do transfers for less if you have a LTC.

The Red 51% law is from the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission, as are the now defunct Blue signs that said that carrying illegally in a place selling alcohol was illegal. No one ever understood that. Violating a 51% sign is a state felony and you will lose your LTC for 5 years.

Oh, not state license needed for SBRs or automatic weapons. Just what the ATF requires.

You can shoot on private land outside of cities with owner permission.

No roster, no capacity restrictions.

No paperwork for FTF sales. You need to just show drivers licenses so you both know who you are dealing with. If you buy more than one gun from the same person, you don't need to do that more than the first time.

drgrant said:
That's probably the poorest set of reasoning for the difference between the two states. [rofl]

The most substantial thing is you don't need permission to just own guns in TX. You can just go buy them if you're not a criminal. Like a loaf of bread or bottle of booze with some extra paperwork.
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In MA, every Democrat politician is to the Left of them. There are 40 Electoral Votes in Texas. The Republicans dominate those and also dominate in the state legislature. Of course the Democrats accuse the Republicans of gerrymandering the districts. Which of course is what the Democrats do when they have the majority.

frenchman said:
Texas… The state that blessed us with Jasmine Crockett, Beta O’Rourke and Danielle Crenshaw
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Garys said:
You can also open or concealed carry without a LTC down here. There are few advantages to an LTC, one of which is no NICS check when buying from a FFL. You still have to fill out a 4473
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The other is avoiding federal prosecution and a multi-year sentence for carrying within 1000ft of a school. And yes, it has happened.
 
drgrant said:
That's because there's no real binding signage (well, outside of government buildings and schools) vehicle in "old gun states" which believe it or not, MA is one of.

There's also some laws WRT the booze places that require that signage to be posted (the 51% bullshit) so if a vendor didnt post, they'd be in violation. That's not necessarily a desire of the vendor.

30.06 is a whole other story. Conhugeo fag places like malls and hospitals post a lot, other places not so much.
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I'm forced to go to Texas a couple of times a year for work. It seems the signs are everywhere. Not compliant as explained above so I carry, but they are there and that tells me it is one big anti gun state.
 
I don't know numbers, but wondered if it's an add on charge? Not some random citizen walking down the street, but someone arrested for more serious charges and this is thrown in. Of course in MA having a LTC is no protection as we know.
drgrant said:
How many GFSZ prosecutions since us v lopez? (Im curious, not doubting) that whole things confusing AF.
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Garys said:
I don't know numbers, but wondered if it's an add on charge? Not some random citizen walking down the street, but someone arrested for more serious charges and this is thrown in. Of course in MA having a LTC is no protection as we know.
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Well itd have to get escalated to a fed USA/AUSA and they'd have to intentionally choose to charge the person.... so there's that..
 
I’m really trying to think back, but since it was a non-incident I definitely don’t remember

My primary carry doesn’t have around in the chamber my backup does that so when someone pulls my own gun on me, I got them dead to rights…//if they try to wreck the slide it’s over

I don’t miss
 
Rob Boudrie said:
MA is "no carry under influence", but no specific bar/restaurant ban. Until recently, there was no cutoff and one could be under OUI limit of .08 and still guilty of CUI because guns are more dangerous than cars (yes, a MA court said that). The recent law changed it to a .08 cutoff for CUI. I think.
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TX is also "no carry while intoxicated", but there is no standard at all for non-driving "public intoxication". It's whatever the arresting officer testifies that someone was "impaired by alcohol or other substances to the degree that they are a danger to themselves or another person". No BAC or other substance testing is required.
 
Garys said:
I don't know where you go, but even in Austin I rarely see them.
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What "them" don't you see?

This thread is full of confusion about binding signage in Texas. There's the 30.06/30.07 signs that must have the required language in both English and Spanish in block letters at least 1" high. There's the 51% sign, which only applies in "bars" as determined by TABC, and most jurisdictions in Texas don't allow 51% bars.

And there are places and circumstances where the TX version of "constitutional carry" doesn't apply unless you have the state permission slip.

It's a confusing mess.
 
Mark from ? said:
God. Coming from MA. FL has quirks but gmfb.

There arent gunbuster signs down here anywhere. Yes you cant OC but its not a big deal to me. I never did it anyway.

Everyone I know has guns in there cars/trucks/houses. Full NFA state here. We can have supressors etc.

I go to restaurants all the time in shorts with a glock 17 under my t shirt. I dont drink or sit at the bar. Nor would I do that up in NH either. Common sense as far as that goes.

3 day waiting period is gay but get your cwp which takes 10 days and your gtg and that goes away. its good for 10 years or something and reciprocal with a lot of states.
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Sounds gay. I was drunk at a bar today with a pistol on my waist. Glad I wasn't in FL.
 
KBCraig said:
What "them" don't you see?

This thread is full of confusion about binding signage in Texas. There's the 30.06/30.07 signs that must have the required language in both English and Spanish in block letters at least 1" high. There's the 51% sign, which only applies in "bars" as determined by TABC, and most jurisdictions in Texas don't allow 51% bars.

And there are places and circumstances where the TX version of "constitutional carry" doesn't apply unless you have the state permission slip.

It's a confusing mess.
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Like most laws one section/title/paragraph. your a saint the next your a hardcore felon
Every time I read any law it appeara designed/written to be determined and defined at will in a court room and usually not in your favor
 
MGnoob said:
I’ve forgot which state I was in, but I walked into a restaurant with my side arm open carry, and there is no signage or anything, but they told me I can’t do that and I was like this isn’t a bar. The manager told me that since I was sitting at the bar, it was an issue. He thought he offered to hold it for me so f***ing I gave it to him got it back no big deal. I don’t think he was technically correct about that. I wasn’t consuming any alcohol.. I was gonna try to find a booth, but the problem was the place was full. There was nowhere else to sit.


Or something like that, the guy was cool about it, but it was like just weird, other people came in and the same thing happened so I guess maybe that’s just their policy who knows

For some reason, I think they might’ve had like a locker or something to store when firearms f***ing bizarre so I guess it’s pretty common occurrence. I don’t know. I was only there about 25 minutes.
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You handed over your firearm to someone?
 
mac1911 said:
Are these private business or state property
Reminds me of the “no weapons” sign at the mall.
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These are all breweries, bars, restaurants doesn’t matter what county or city. Galveston, Round Rock, Houston, Austin, Dallas to name a few
 
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Sf Becket said:
These are all breweries, bars, restaurants doesn’t matter what county or city. Galveston, Round Rock, Houston, Austin, Dallas to name a few
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A private business should be able to do what they wish on what comes into there place. If the movies are anywhere near “true”
They had “gun checkins” at saloons lol

Knew a guy from texas, here for a few years doing some job …..anyway he was blown away that we can conceal carry in MA
 
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MGnoob said:
For some reason, I think they might’ve had like a locker or something to store when firearms f***ing bizarre so I guess it’s pretty common occurrence. I don’t know. I was only there about 25 minutes.
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Seems like an awful lot of responsibility to take on as a private business owner
 
mac1911 said:
A private business should be able to do what they wish on what comes into there place. If the movies are anywhere near “true”
They had “gun checkins” at saloons lol

Knew a guy from texas, here for a few years doing some job …..anyway he was blown away that we can conceal carry in MA
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No they shouldn't! This was settled over 60 years ago with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It is unlawful to keep out blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected civil right. A private business, open to the public is NOT the same as a private residence or office where entry is by invitation only.

Civil Rights Act (1964)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia
 

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