The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

The writing was on the wall when I had to jump through hoops for a friggin LTC while the state decided what chemicals they were going to jab my kid with to attend school. Move and never look back.

I’ll also note that I spent years paranoid what laws I might be breaking but never once was engaged by law enforcement to make sure every lock was locked and gun was registered properly. My shitty and free advice to all is concealed means concealed. Locked in your trunk or safe is not gonna get you into some sort of police inspection. Go about your business and dont shoot anyone, you will be fine.

If you do happen to shoot someone, better off in court than dead.

And join us in NH to VOTE TRUMP!
 
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chris_1001 said:
Well, the new law seems to undo her guidance.

Under it pre 8/1 ones can be built up also.

So your $3000 lowers are now $300 at best. Maybe in 10 years they are $3000
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I disagree you can operate on that belief but trust me this is all gonna be reinterpreted 1000 times


The only person selling $3000 lower Is that reptile and they’re not even real.

Just like it’s supermodel girlfriend that we don’t have photos of
 
I actually tried to read this, but I can’t figure out what the f*** they’re even talking about. I’m pretty sure nothing’s gonna change.
 
chris_1001 said:
Well, the new law seems to undo her guidance.

Under it pre 8/1 ones can be built up also.

So your $3000 lowers are now $300 at best. Maybe in 10 years they are $3000
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I mean the NEW AG.

She is a she, also.

The old AG was a she - Maura Healey.

The NEW AG is also a she.

Andrea Joy Campbell

Office of the Attorney General

The Attorney General is the chief lawyer and law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
www.mass.gov www.mass.gov

If Andrea comes out and says that pre 8/1 AR lowers are legal to own and build up then we can disregard Jason A. Guida's thoughts on the subject.

The law can say ANYTHING but it's the AG the interprets it.

She tells the county AG's who they will bring charges against, initially.

Whatever happens years down the road in court - who knows.

First somebody need to be charged with a crime and have standing in a lawsuit.

Jason A. Guida might be 100% right.

But, if like the Healey Edict - nobody ever gets charged - than what Jason says really does not matter.

In the mean time all these legal opinions all over NES, from members, lawyers, and organizations, really don't mean anything.

The reverse are illegal aliens in Massachusetts. They have broken many laws but Healey says it's not illegal to be illegal. State and Federal law say one thing but she keeps inviting and rewarding them with money, housing, healthcare and no bail for their crimes. The state does not even share info about some of the murders and rapists with ICE so they can be deported.

That means that the law is up to the interpretation of the AG who decides who to charge with crimes.
 
Reptile said:
If Andrea comes out and says that pre 8/1 AR lowers are legal to own and build up then we can disregard Jason A. Guida's thoughts on the subject.

The law can say ANYTHING but it's the AG the interprets it.

She tells the county AG's who they will bring charges against, initially.
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Lol she does no such thing. That's largely up to the DAs. They're elected too. Despite titles she is NOT their boss. They are elected officials
too. She is not going to say shit given the healey/coakley/reilly/harshbarger doctrines on gun control. SOP for the AGs office is "feed them shit and keep them in the
dark" and then the DAs get to decide how much or how little to care and or abuse people with the shitty laws.

Nobody is going to get charged for "pre 8/1 vs pre 7/20/16" I think thats crack smoking BS. [rofl] Oh next we're going to discuss whether its possible to get hit by lightning while
taking a shit in an outhouse in the middle of winter on a cloudless day. [rofl] WTAF. You guys need some xanax or something, seriously.

There are 9000 more evil tthings in the bill than the AW ban component of it. (one that will still be ignored by many, wether they know it or not).
 
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Reptile said:
Healeys Guidance was definitive for 8 years.

She at least said that pre 16 lowers were legal and could be built up in the future.

The new AG guidance will be the law of the land.

SHE decides who goes to jail for a while until the courts decide.

I’m working all day tomorrow and don’t have time to call.

I’ll call on Wednesday.

In the mean time why don’t the rest of you call her and ask her to make a FAQ like Healey did.
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Anyone who actually does this is f***ing retarded. Are you really this daft? It was REAL:LY stupid when you did it the first time, this time
will be no different. Thanks for potentially shitting in the well. [rofl] Really?

When this spurns a problem, this is the literal definition of "Why we cannot have nice things"

town guy: "The water in that well was great, now the ecoli readings are high!!!! what happened to it?"

me: "Oh some guy sat on the well and took a shit in it, just because he wanted to hear tthe sound of the poop splashing down on the water. "
 
drgrant said:
Lol she does no such thing. That's largely up tto tthe DAs. They're elected too. Despite titles she is NOT their boss. They are elected officials
too. She is not going to say shit given the healey/coakley/reilly/harshbarger doctrines on gun control. SOP for the AGs office is "feed them shit and keep them in the
dark" and then the DAs get to decide how much or how little to care and or abuse people with the shitty laws.

Nobody is going to get charged for "pre 8/1 vs pre 7/20/16" I think thats crack smoking BS. [rofl] Oh next we're going to discuss whether its possible to get hit by lightning while
taking a shit in an outhouse in the middle of winter on a cloudless day. [rofl] WTAF. You guys need some xanax or something, seriously.

There are 9000 more evil tthings in the bill than the AW ban component of it. (one that will still be ignored by many, wether they know it or not).
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Up to the DA's?

Ok, well what do the DA's think of this?

Irregardless, somebody, somewhere from the state is going to have to come out and say what the new Eternal Gun Law means for us.

Last time it was "Guidance" from Healey and her FAQ web page.

Who is the new Gun Czar?

8 years ago it was Garry Klein who was answering all the questions on the gun whatever email they set up.

Gary was the man who said lowers possessed in state before 7/20 could be built up. He put it in writing with out the legal mumbo jumbo.

Somebody needs to go on record here.

They just threw lots of piles of crap at the wall to see what sticks.

Who knows what will stick now but somebody need to answer.

What about Chief Glidden???

He literally wrote the book on Massachusetts Gun Law.

He is THE authority that all the Chiefs bow their heads to.

I have like 20 years of his annual Mass Gun Law books.

He puts on seminars for all the licensing officers and gets the whole Mass police on the same page for enforcement.

He's been retired part time in Florida but he come back every year to write his new book edition and run his police training seminars.

The sooner they say some crazy unconstitutional crap, the sooner we can take them to court.
 
I hope this spawns a dozen lawsuits on a dozen different aspects of its ass suckery.

One of them should be over the requirement for new applicants to pass a “written exam” to qualify for an LTC.

I look forward to the state trying to provide the court with a historical analog to its written exam to bear arms from the time of the ratification of the 2nd Amendment.


🐯
 
Reptile said:
Up to the DA's?

Ok, well what do the DA's think of this?
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You'd have to ask them, but most of them are going to give you a shitty vague answer at best.

Reptile said:
Irregardless, somebody, somewhere from the state is going to have to come out and say what the new Eternal Gun Law means for us.
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Lol, not sure where you get this fantasy from but there is no obligation for them to say anything. [rofl] EOPS will
probably produce something eventually but mostly it will revolve around dealer operations and the database/registration
etc..

Reptile said:
Last time it was "Guidance" from Healey and her FAQ web page.
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Which was virtue signaling BS not based off the law. Was that really useful? nope. not by a dammned sight. Just more meaningless drivel spewed from the AG's office.

When an entity has continuously acted in bad faith (the MA AGs office) why the f*** would you want to go do them for advice? [rofl]

I think you are confused- you think you live in a state like CT where you can go to the non-partisan SFLU and get a legally binding opinion without prejudice. That bureaucratic professional"facility" has never really existed in massachusetts.

Reptile said:
Somebody needs to go on record here.
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No, they don't. It just invites them to pick something shitty / meaningless like that crap letter you got from him before. (that ultimately didnt matter, regardless, for anyone that
was paying attention and realized the press conference was a headfake).

Reptile said:
They just threw lots of piles of crap at the wall to see what sticks.

Who knows what will stick now but somebody need to answer.

What about Chief Glidden???

He literally wrote the book on Massachusetts Gun Law.

He is THE authority that all the Chiefs bow their heads to.

I have like 20 years of his annual Mass Gun Law books.

He puts on seminars for all the licensing officers and gets the whole Mass police on the same page for enforcement.

He's been retired part time in Florida but he come back every year to write his new book edition and run his police training seminars.
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Glidden was often massively wrong too.

A bit of advice- Stop bending the knee to people and helping people who clearly want to kill or imprison you,

The sooner they say some crazy unconstitutional crap, the sooner we can take them to court.
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Not necessary, they already did that by passing the law. Plenty of people will have standing. In october when this costs dealers and distributors milliions there will be plenty of
standing based off restraint of trade alone, amongst other things.
 
drgrant said:
You'd have to ask them, but most of them are going to give you a shitty vague answer at best.



Lol, not sure where you get this fantasy from but there is no obligation for them to say anything. [rofl] EOPS will
probably produce something eventually but mostly it will revolve around dealer operations and the database/registration
etc..



Which was virtue signaling BS not based off the law. Was that really useful? nope. not by a dammned sight. Just more meaningless drivel spewed from the AG's office.

When an entity has continuously acted in bad faith (the MA AGs office) why the f*** would you want to go do them for advice? [rofl]

I think you are confused- you think you live in a state like CT where you can go to the non-partisan SFLU and get a legally binding opinion without prejudice. That bureaucratic professional"facility" has never really existed in massachusetts.



No, they don't. It just invites them to pick something shitty / meaningless like that crap letter you got from him before. (that ultimately didnt matter, regardless, for anyone that
was paying attention and realized the press conference was a headfake).



Glidden was often massively wrong too.

A bit of advice- Stop bending the knee to people and helping people who clearly want to kill or imprison you,



Not necessary, they already did that by passing the law. Plenty of people will have standing. In october when this costs dealers and distributors milliions there will be plenty of
standing based off restraint of trade alone, amongst other things.
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Ok!

Roger that!

Advice received!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykMguz43ncs
 
Maybe because that was before Healey's Edict was "codified" and "became law".

Now we have "grandfathering". So, pre 8/1 should be GTG. Post 8/1 - who knows but that in the law now so we'll see what they do.

I actually don't have AR's.

I just have pre Healey lowers that I MAY want to build in the future.
 
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Reptile said:
Ok!

Roger that!

Advice received!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykMguz43ncs
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The reason I am a c*** about this is ive seen it go badly before. Its gone badly several times where "OCD worry wart types" went asking the ATF for approval of this or that or to check something that they would have never looked at. Only to later on result in a determination letter that ended up being bad for gun owners.

People should use discretion when interacting with openly hostile government agencies. The AGs office in mass certainly qualifies as much at this point.
 
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Reptile said:
I mean the NEW AG.

She is a she, also.

The old AG was a she - Maura Healey.

The NEW AG is also a she.

Andrea Joy Campbell

Office of the Attorney General

The Attorney General is the chief lawyer and law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
www.mass.gov www.mass.gov

If Andrea comes out and says that pre 8/1 AR lowers are legal to own and build up then we can disregard Jason A. Guida's thoughts on the subject.

The law can say ANYTHING but it's the AG the interprets it.

She tells the county AG's who they will bring charges against, initially.

Whatever happens years down the road in court - who knows.

First somebody need to be charged with a crime and have standing in a lawsuit.

Jason A. Guida might be 100% right.

But, if like the Healey Edict - nobody ever gets charged - than what Jason says really does not matter.

In the mean time all these legal opinions all over NES, from members, lawyers, and organizations, really don't mean anything.

The reverse are illegal aliens in Massachusetts. They have broken many laws but Healey says it's not illegal to be illegal. State and Federal law say one thing but she keeps inviting and rewarding them with money, housing, healthcare and no bail for their crimes. The state does not even share info about some of the murders and rapists with ICE so they can be deported.

That means that the law is up to the interpretation of the AG who decides who to charge with crimes.
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Stop assuming their gender you sexist pig
 
Reptile said:
I mean the NEW AG.

She is a she, also.

The old AG was a she - Maura Healey.

The NEW AG is also a she.

Andrea Joy Campbell

Office of the Attorney General

The Attorney General is the chief lawyer and law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
www.mass.gov www.mass.gov

If Andrea comes out and says that pre 8/1 AR lowers are legal to own and build up then we can disregard Jason A. Guida's thoughts on the subject.

The law can say ANYTHING but it's the AG the interprets it.

She tells the county AG's who they will bring charges against, initially.

Whatever happens years down the road in court - who knows.

First somebody need to be charged with a crime and have standing in a lawsuit.

Jason A. Guida might be 100% right.

But, if like the Healey Edict - nobody ever gets charged - than what Jason says really does not matter.

In the mean time all these legal opinions all over NES, from members, lawyers, and organizations, really don't mean anything.

The reverse are illegal aliens in Massachusetts. They have broken many laws but Healey says it's not illegal to be illegal. State and Federal law say one thing but she keeps inviting and rewarding them with money, housing, healthcare and no bail for their crimes. The state does not even share info about some of the murders and rapists with ICE so they can be deported.

That means that the law is up to the interpretation of the AG who decides who to charge with crimes.
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www.andreacampbell.org

Strengthening and Enforcing Gun Laws - Andrea Campbell

Every Massachusetts resident has the right to feel safe in their homes, schools, and grocery stores, but the Supreme Court’s recent decision to expand gun rights has very serious implications that will undermine or eliminate the very laws that keep us safe. Those disproportionately harmed or...
www.andreacampbell.org www.andreacampbell.org
 
Reptile said:
Here is an idea…

Instead or arguing who is right…

This lawyer, that lawyer, GOAL, NES keyboard commandos…

GO ASK THE F-ING MASSACHUSETTS AG OFFICE!!!

She is the one who decides who gets charged with what.

The Eternal Ban Law is confusing and contradictory.

Until the courts decide ASK THE AG what HER interpretation is!!!!!!!

That is all that matters at this moment in time.

Maybe if everyone stops bickering and demands she make a statement- she’ll come up with an FAQ.

Goodnight and God Save The Queen!!!
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True to Mass asshattery in politics, the answer you will get is hire an attorney to tell you.
You won't get an answer other than being cuffed and stuffed if you raise their ire.
Pay your taxes and stop questioning, slave.
 
Reptile said:
Healeys Guidance was definitive for 8 years.

She at least said that pre 16 lowers were legal and could be built up in the future.

The new AG guidance will be the law of the land.

SHE decides who goes to jail for a while until the courts decide.

I’m working all day tomorrow and don’t have time to call.

I’ll call on Wednesday.

In the mean time why don’t the rest of you call her and ask her to make a FAQ like Healey did.

In the meantime all these so called authorities on the subject don’t know sh*t because it’s up to the AG to decide who gets charged with what crimes.

Just remember:

It’s not illegal to be illegal.
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She didn't really say they were legal, what she said was they would not pursue charges - Two wildly different things.
 
CatSnoutSoup said:
I hope this spawns a dozen lawsuits on a dozen different aspects of its ass suckery.

One of them should be over the requirement for new applicants to pass a “written exam” to qualify for an LTC.

I look forward to the state trying to provide the court with a historical analog to its written exam to bear arms from the time of the ratification of the 2nd Amendment.


🐯
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The problem is when poorly funded, unqualified groups or persons sue and create shitty case law
 
MAJoe said:
So if you want to go down the rabbit hole, nothing post-94 was lawfully possessed according to the AG.
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Exactly
And now the AG that declared that is governor along with a large number of the legislature that passed this POS taking the same position.

The law said one thing and the state said differently - only the courts can tell us what the legal interpretation actually is at this point.
 
pastera said:
Exactly
And now the AG that declared that is governor along with a large number of the legislature that passed this POS taking the same position.

The law said one thing and the state said differently - only the courts can tell us what the legal interpretation actually is at this point.
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What is interesting, and was posted in another thread, is the 8/1 date says lawfully possessed by FFL or LTC holder. Every lower, complaint, and even non-complaint rifle was lawfully possessed by a MA FFL.
 
dcmdon said:
Imagine if you asked your town building inspector what a law specifying a certain kind of insulation meant.

And he told you to hire an attorney and parse it out. And that he wouldn't tell you if you were in compliance or violation until your final inspection.
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And the law is so vague that whatever you don’t pick can be argued was correct, and the penalty is a felony.
 
dcmdon said:
Imagine if you asked your town building inspector what a law specifying a certain kind of insulation meant.

And he told you to hire an attorney and parse it out. And that he wouldn't tell you if you were in compliance or violation until your final inspection.
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I'll wager if you slipped them a little "something" they would tell you right quickly........but that's the cynic in me.................
 

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