The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[EJFudd]

Lol, the whole country is, we just hit $35 trillion, states are going to follow suit.

I know. Just saw that on the news. Even leftist DimocRATS are amazed at what Biden has done in 3-1/2 years to destroy America.

 

[Drix]

I will record your enthusiastic vote for Kamala and Communism.

Over my dead body.

Because I'm not with you doesn't mean I'm with them. I'm sorry you think you're in the party of the future and oblivious to the situation at hand.

 

[Woodsloafer]

I know. Just saw that on the news. Even leftist DimocRATS are amazed at what Biden has done in 3-1/2 years to destroy America.

It started long before Biden, nobody in Federal government is fiscally responsible, not even Trump, there are never cuts, only more spending. Biden just keep the gas on the pedal.

 

[delgrifith]

This could be a new thread but where is the best place/organizations to send donations to fight this?

 

[Individualist]

I know. Just saw that on the news. Even leftist DimocRATS are amazed at what Biden has done in 3-1/2 years to destroy America.

But they will still vote for Harris or any other Dem. People have been brainwashed for decades. They can’t tell what is real. They need to be yanked out of the Matrix.

 

[EJFudd]

This could be a new thread but where is the best place/organizations to send donations to fight this?

That's the $64,000 question: Where will our donations actually do some good vs. where will we be merely pissing it away?

No answer yet.

 

[mothybee]

That's the $64,000 question: Where will our donations actually do some good vs. where will we be merely pissing it away?

No answer yet.

Slip it to the federal judge best bet.

 

[not new guy]

Here's Batch 2 of the doc comparison efforts. Blue text represents changes to the published bill that appear in the "parchment" copy that was actually signed.

Section 44:



Section 49:



Section 56:



Section 63:



Section 68:



Section 73:



Section 77:



Section 78:

 

[not new guy]

Doc comparison Batch 3:

Section 81:



Section 89




Section 141 (sexist bastards):



Section 149:




I left out some other clearly immaterial changes. That's it though.

 

[sig shooter]

Annual and/or lifetime limits on gun purchases??? That will never fly.

We didn’t think a bill like this would fly either. But here we are…..

 

[sieveboy]

Annual and/or lifetime limits on gun purchases??? That will never fly.

anything will fly, the next “sweeping gun safety legislation” will include these as well

 

[HorizontalHunter]

We didn’t think a bill like this would fly either. But here we are…..

It never would have flown on its own . It took shenanigans in the house attaching it to the budget bill to get it through. It was then separated back into a stand alone bill after.

 

[EJFudd]

It never would have flown on its own . It took shenanigans in the house attaching it to the budget bill to get it through. It was then separated back into a stand alone bill after.

... a mere technicality in the world of one-party super-majority leftist DimocRAT control of a moonbatty state.

 

[Picton]

We didn’t think a bill like this would fly either. But here we are…..

Oh, I don't know that I'd say that. Plenty of us realized the bill would fly; in fact, we were surprised it didn't fly sooner. We still don't know what was holding it back. I thought they were trying to square the Bruen circle, but clearly not.

The hope, and expectation, is that this will get into the courts soon, and the people who passed this know that. That's the only place where the legislature is meaningfully restrained, in this state on this issue. Sooner the better.

 

[maltc]

From what I’ve learned a successfully filed Referendum petition will put this law on HOLD even if we don’t get the 50k signatures this election year. Collecting authorized (go figure) signatures could continue until the November 2025 ballot. The ballot question gets to be written by no other than the AG- but it will buy our FFL’s time.



On another note: If lawfully possessed prior to 8/1- will FFL’s be able to sell inventory AFTER 8/1? So in the event they are completely stocked w/ ma compliant MCX’s or Spears (which obviously is rare) - would they still be able to conduct business as usual?

 

[Gasgunner]

Do you think driving around and rented U-Haul truck with all your guns would cause a red flag to me it doesn’t sound that’s strange

Paint it like an Ice Cream truck and play “Turkey in the Straw” on a loop over the PA. Drive through Blue neighborhoods and watch their heads explode like the end of “Kingsmen: The Secret Service”.

 

[milktree]

Doc comparison Batch 3:

Section 81:

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Section 89

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Section 141 (sexist bastards):

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Section 149:

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I left out some other clearly immaterial changes. That's it though.

Thank you for doing that.

Some of the changes are just bizarre. Adding extra words to sound legalistic?

They still missed the chapter/section error in SECTION 123 (there is no section 269), and SECTION 38's new version of Section 125(a) has two (v) entries.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Thank you for doing that.

Some of the changes are just bizarre. Adding extra words to sound legalistic?

They still missed the chapter/section error in SECTION 123 (there is no section 269), and SECTION 38's new version of Section 125(a) has two (v) entries.

They'll read it now that it's passed when they get to it. No rush.......

 

[not new guy]

Thank you for doing that.

Some of the changes are just bizarre. Adding extra words to sound legalistic?

They still missed the chapter/section error in SECTION 123 (there is no section 269), and SECTION 38's new version of Section 125(a) has two (v) entries.

Yes, those were strange but not surprising. I think some of the changes actually are material though, particularly in the second batch I posted above where they're inserting line references that weren't in the version that was voted on.

 

[HARRYM]

This could be a new thread but where is the best place/organizations to send donations to fight this?

Let's see which 2A rights group says "hold my beer" as well as the track record of following it it through.

 

[milktree]

One thing that's really insidious in this bill that nobody is talking about is all the data collection.

There's a bunch of places where the state records things about the gun or its provenance that I guarantee you will be used in the future to ban some behavior or gun because:
- guns from a particular country are dangerous
- guns sold on the secondary market are dangerous
- privately made guns, even when serialized and registered, are dangerous
- certain types of guns are used by gangs, and should be banned

All that stuff is a ramp-up to justify more restrictions.

 

[milktree]

Yes, those were strange but not surprising. I think some of the changes actually are material though, particularly in the second batch I posted above where they're inserting line references that weren't in the version that was voted on.

Do you mean "batch 2" just a little while ago? I can't see anything that makes any material difference.

What am I missing?

 

[mpd61]

Ron Glidden didn't graduate law school. He is not a member of the Bar. He's spent decades using Jedi mind tricks on Mass Chiefs using the ultimate dirty term "Liability" to influence some. He is free to express his opinions, but they're not from a judge or attorney.

 

[not new guy]

Do you mean "batch 2" just a little while ago? I can't see anything that makes any material difference.

What am I missing?

Section 68, 77 and 78 make material changes - not sure how impactful they are though:

The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

Lol, the whole country is, we just hit $35 trillion, states are going to follow suit. I know. Just saw that on the news. Even leftist DimocRATS are amazed at what Biden has done in 3-1/2 years to destroy America. o_O

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[HARRYM]

Ron Glidden didn't graduate law school. He is not a member of the Bar. He's spent decades using Jedi mind tricks on Mass Chiefs using the ultimate dirty term "Liability" to influence some. He is free to express his opinions, but they're not from a judge or attorney.

True, but he was speaking to a interested audience.

 

[1903Collector]

Whatever court this thing ends up in front of, whether it's slanted one way or the other, this bill is so bad that if it's allowed to stand we are done. Any hope I have been holding onto that things will get better, or at least not worse will be gone, last person left shut off the lights please.

 

[Drix]

Whatever court this thing ends up in front of, whether it's slanted one way or the other, this bill is so bad that if it's allowed to stand we are done. Any hope I have been holding onto that things will get better, or at least not worse will be gone, last person left shut off the lights please.

Why does the last person out have to shut the lights off?

f*** this state, leave the lights on, plug the sink and let it run, upper decker the toilet, lock the door, toss the keys on the roof and drive off into the sunset.

 

[1903Collector]

Why does the last person out have to shut the lights off?

f*** this state, leave the lights on, plug the sink and let it run, upper decker the toilet, lock the door, toss the keys on the roof and drive off into the sunset.

I was referring to US as a whole, but yea I get what your saying.

 

[mothybee]

One thing that's really insidious in this bill that nobody is talking about is all the data collection.

There's a bunch of places where the state records things about the gun or its provenance that I guarantee you will be used in the future to ban some behavior or gun because:
- guns from a particular country are dangerous
- guns sold on the secondary market are dangerous
- privately made guns, even when serialized and registered, are dangerous
- certain types of guns are used by gangs, and should be banned

All that stuff is a ramp-up to justify more restrictions.

Geez, So simple just pass a law against gangs stealing gunz.

 

[Foudre]

From what I’ve learned a successfully filed Referendum petition will put this law on HOLD even if we don’t get the 50k signatures this election year. Collecting authorized (go figure) signatures could continue until the November 2025 ballot. The ballot question gets to be written by no other than the AG- but it will buy our FFL’s time.



On another note: If lawfully possessed prior to 8/1- will FFL’s be able to sell inventory AFTER 8/1? So in the event they are completely stocked w/ ma compliant MCX’s or Spears (which obviously is rare) - would they still be able to conduct business as usual?

When does the petition become available for us to sign?