EzGoingKev
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I thought with the new law we could have the adjustable rear stock?
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I thought with the new law we could have the adjustable rear stock?
There is a lot of talk about what is and isn't grandfathered as exempt, and this seems to have opened up what can be had on a pre-new-law registered ASF. But I don't believe there is any disagreement that going forward for newly obtained ASFs you still can't have the adjustable stock.
FireMedic102
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You can’t have it at all. If it wasn’t legally in the state on 8/1 it’s not legal to possess. Period. The end.
It solely depends on what compliant iteration is manufactured for importation and transfer within and into Ma.
The guidance letters from the EOPSS secretary allow long guns -rifles and shotguns.
“ Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and
rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from
the Firearms Control Advisory Board.”
The law’s definition of what an ASF is says that the rifle in the CGW video above would not be a prohibited semi auto rifle. If the barrel was crowned then they can have an adjustable stock on that version while retaining a detachable 10rd mag. If the threads were obliterated then the stock is fine. If the threads remain regardless of having a muzzle device then no adjustable stock is allowed.
Someone would get to choose one single feature from the list below with the centerfire rifle having a detachable magazine to start with.
(i) a folding or telescopic stock
(ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip
(iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
(iv) a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or similar feature
(v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
Who would want something so useless though? Would there even be a market for such a thing?
AR lowers are enumerated and are banned if they were manufactured with a detachable mag. The features don’t matter. If the lower in that video is manufactured as a fixed mag it’s exempt from the ASF definition and all features are allowed.
On the threaded barrel, I don’t buy needing to destroy the threads. The previous law said the same plus flash hiders so we pinned brakes. Now you can’t have any device except a thread protector but I don’t see why a permanently attached protector doesn’t meet the requirement of the new law when it did under the old.
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Possible on the threaded barrel idea if permanently attached.
I guess (f) is the key language for c&d as well as the receiver being compatible, similar, and able to become a ASF.
Yeah, or the state just adds fixed mag ARs to the assault style firearm roster and then it’s moot.
Also, the way the law is written, additions to the ASW roster are illegal retroactively to 8/1/24
I believe this is why many people don’t think it’ll be used or there will be agency interpretation to say it’s not retroactive (like we saw with all rifles and shotguns not otherwise prohibited being okay even though they’re not on the approved firearm roster).
Changes to the list means someone would need to track all changes and effective dates, a huge mess if it isn’t retroactive.
Not really on topic, not really off topic.
I've been thinking lately about how there are many things MA regulates that have exceptions for when you are on private property, requiring a DL for example. It perfectly legal to drive on private property without a DL, even to do so well under 16 years old.
So can the state require an LTC to carry/posses on private property?
If MA can't it would offer an interesting opening when you consider the new allowance that a non-res can carry in their car while traveling through MA. For example, a person leaves NH carrying, drives to a friend's, or a club, or any other piece of private property, and gets out of the car there, still carrying. Then you get into what is private property. A gas station, or restaurant, allows public access for business purposes, but they are still private property.
Just thoughts wandering through my mind.
I've been thinking lately about how there are many things MA regulates that have exceptions for when you are on private property, requiring a DL for example. It perfectly legal to drive on private property without a DL, even to do so well under 16 years old.
So can the state require an LTC to carry/posses on private property?
If MA can't it would offer an interesting opening when you consider the new allowance that a non-res can carry in their car while traveling through MA. For example, a person leaves NH carrying, drives to a friend's, or a club, or any other piece of private property, and gets out of the car there, still carrying. Then you get into what is private property. A gas station, or restaurant, allows public access for business purposes, but they are still private property.
Just thoughts wandering through my mind.
EJFudd
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Anyone else noticing how fixed mag lowers and AR's are quickly becoming a key financial survival strategy for MA gun shops severely hurt by Maura's new law? Predictable I suppose, but kind of depressing in my view.
So basically find fixed mag lowers that are repairable? Check. 
pastera
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No - "(i) a folding or telescopic stock" is the first enumerated feature.
The video is tongue in cheek because with a fixed mag you can have all of the features - even on a Copies and Duplicates as long as the lower was manufactured as a fixed mag (not converted with a fixed mag kit by an FFL unless the FFL is also a manufacturer)
Anyone else noticing how fixed mag lowers and AR's are quickly becoming a key financial survival strategy for MA gun shops severely hurt by Maura's new law? Predictable I suppose, but kind of depressing in my view.
What kinda crack is he smokin?
pastera
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Those places are public accommodations - the state is going to go after you because they still consider you as being in public.
Now places like BJ's and Costco that are membership only clubs could announce that members are allowed to carry without licenses but that only helps non-residents since they are the only ones with the exemption.
pastera
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It has to have been manufactured as a fixed mag so the 07 making it has to build it out that way.So basically find fixed mag lowers that are repairable? Check.
Can you elaborate with cites how a lower is “manufactured” vs “assembled”.
Sir, you are forgetting 131M. No one in Ma may possess, own, transfer, or sell an ASF, which includes a stripped ar lower, in Ma. No person and that includes an FFL. It has to have been a grandfatherd ASF on 8/1 only.
So you have to import fixed mag as built (from some foreign mfr) lol
Exactly. No Licensee aka FFL can bring in anymore AR lowers. We are going to see many more duallies setting up shops outside Ma borders.
pastera
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(a) a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device
“copy or duplicate” shall mean a firearm: (A) that was manufactured or subsequently configured with an ability to accept a detachable magazine;
A fixed mag AR can be sold as long as an 07 builds the lower as a fixed mag while assembling the rifle. And since it is not a banned long gun it can be transferred without issue.
EJFudd
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I know.
Toby is a good guy with a great range & shop. His heart is in the right place and he has done more good for us in MA in terms of getting the word out and fighting Maura than GOAL or any other pro-2A group has done. But on this one point, he is giving out bad information. The reason is simple. Fixed mag lowers & AR's are all he can sell right now and he would like to stay in business and not go bust under Maura's hideous new law. Like the other brick & mortar big investment shops in MA, he has to play by Maura's rules for now or risk losing everything.Woodsloafer
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Where does the Smith FPC fall with its folding action/barrel?
If a block of aluminum is sold as intended to be a firearm then the manufacturer is sol. There is no carve out for a manufacturer, only leo or retired leo.
pastera
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Zero difference in reality - if an 07 manufactures a rifle by installing a fixed mag kit then assembling the parts into a rifle then it is legal
Or the lower could be manufactured without the ability to accept a mag release at all - example
Personally you can't buy a standard lower and add a kit but you could legally buy an unfinished receiver and install a fixed mag kit before completing.
Agreed but as far as I see in the law no one can take a chunk of metal, or a partially finished lower, and manufacturer it at all. No ffl, no 07, etc can do this in Ma.I know.
pastera
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If it cannot be fired from the folded position then it is no different than a takedown barrel
I’m talking strictly within Ma to be more clear.
pastera
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Zero restrictions on what an 07 FFL can manufacture - had they done that it would last a week before being shut down on the federal level.
pastera
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An 07 can manufacture and possess banned firearms for sale to exempt persons within the state or for interstate commerce.
A private person can apply for a serial number to produce a non-banned firearm - while the exact regulations here are yet to come the state very well knows that to ban privately made firearms as a class is a non-starter.
