The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

pastera said:
Because her enforcement notice was done under Chevron deference where the courts were force to defer to the regulating agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute or regulation.
Copies and duplicates was never clearly defined in the law so the controlling agency was open to interpret it how they saw fit.
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Well now that Chevron is out the window - maybe the new law will get thrown out.

The state would have been wise to adjust their course after the Chevron court decision.
 
vicorjh said:
We've hired connected attorneys before ... their connections have made a difference at times completely avoiding unnecessary overhead.

Here though, his commentary is not impressive.
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I wasn't defending GUIDA. I was just pointing out, in general, that we shouldn't assume someone is an a**hole because that person did work for the State.
 
scott-o said:
Whats the grandperson status for all of the None / None 's transacted/registered pre 2016, and where their parts ended up. Whats the process/timeline of serializing those.
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Once the portal is setup to create serials it's something like 6 months
So time line per the bill you've got over two years after passage.
 
Amputee Marksman said:
Let's assume Healy was right and all the stuff before 7/20/16 was illegal. She only said she would not prosecute however that still does not change the fact that is was illegal. If it was illegal before 7/20/16 it is still illegal hence everything after '94 was/is illegal and banned. The simple fact of non-prosecution does not change the status of legal/illegal.
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But as a state actor telling people they can keep it because the state won't prosecute is creating an estopel defense - the legislature was beholden to that statement.
 
808 said:
But who will sneak in all the contraband he needs a lot of 😖💩🥒🔦
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Reptile is not locked with the rest. The rest are locked in with Reptile. Bro will be known as king rApetile in under 24hrs.

FYI ... helpful tip (not "the tip") I got from a prison guard: If you go to prison, ask to be put with the murderers. Aparently those people are way more chill than general population (whatever the correct term is) and women.
 
Foudre said:
Article 1 section 10 is very clear about this, the state has no authority to punish people retroactively, even if they think that this whole time those guns were illegal in this state, which is completely untrue. If they were really illegal, all the dealers would never have been able to transfer/sell "assault style" firearms to licensed citizens in the state all the way back to '94.
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They are going to punish retroactively
They will give you 90 days to turn in or sell out of state and after that then they will punish you - and that sticks because you have notice.
 
Picton said:
#GoFundMeForReptile

Just send me a link, buddy!
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I think in a matter of time we'll have our test case.

Somebody with legal standing that always seems to elude us.

Once this person gets the backing of a major Second Amendment organization - we can send them money earmarked for that case.

The absurdity of this law will come out for the whole country to see.

It will go down in flames and we will all be free!!!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhkVmeIkrRk
 
Reptile said:
Suddenly, expensive Pre Ban Glock mags look cheap compared to getting jacked up on LC mag charges!
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I've sold all my mags regardless of capacity, and will only carry my firearms with no magazine present, and a single round chambered. HOWEVER, I will be carrying 15 of them on my person.
 
Laderbuilt said:
Yes it will be the same rules that apply when touching yourself. Make sure your home and alone and things will be okay.
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Kind like now. You will only be able to use a mirror to see it.

Just like trying to look at your junk. The belly rise eliminates line of sight so you need to use a mirror.
 
pastera said:
The state's inaction dmto punish others for a crime doesn't invalidate its ability to punish you for that same crime.
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The state essentially "raided" the Mill and went through every FFL with a fine tooth comb looking for problems and found shit. Afterwards, the same "illegal" stuff continued to be sold. This tells me they had/have no grounds at all to charge/prosecute on the basis of any law or "advisory" to date.
 
Ok well, assuming Guida is indeed correct, he is stating there are indeed "non-copy" guns like the Tavor that are still legal to pick up between Now (post 7/16) to 8/1.

Barring the bud light drinking circle jerk everyone seems to be enjoying on the post ex facto legal limbo, What guns that are Non copies can we still pick up and not risk getting jammed? So far Tavors look safe? Are the Sig MCX's included in that because they aren't AR copies?

Does there already exist a ready post-Healey 7/20/16 Edict list one can reference so as to try and make the best and safest choice and order through the dealers currently helping people out prior to 8/1?
 
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I think one of the big questions folks are trying to determine is the following.

If you bought a AR15 (or any “AW”) between 2016 and 8/1 (like the 1000s of folks are doing this week). Should you “register” it on the MA firearms portal ?

One thought is doing so shines a light on you being a felon by buying such a rifle.
The other thought is that registering it by 8/1 “ grandfathers you in”.

Can we get some thoughts on this? There are a lot of folks that do not know what to do.
 
Ultimate Shield said:
Ok well, assuming Guida is indeed correct, he is stating there are indeed "non-copy" guns like the Tavor that are still legal to pick up between Now (post 7/16) to 8/1.

Barring the bud light drinking circle jerk everyone seems to be enjoying on the post ex facto legal limbo, What guns that are Non copies can we still pick up and not risk getting jammed? So far Tavors look safe? Are the Sig MXC's included in that?

Does there already exist a ready post-Healey 7/20/16 Edict list one can reference so as to try and make the best and safest choice and order through the dealers currently helping people out prior to 8/1?
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All the rosters are here:

https://www.mass.gov/lists/approved-firearms-rosters
 
pastera said:
Because her enforcement notice was done under Chevron deference where the courts were force to defer to the regulating agency's interpretation of an ambiguous statute or regulation.
Copies and duplicates was never clearly defined in the law so the controlling agency was open to interpret it how they saw fit.
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Correct me if I’m wrong it’s been a long time since I read it but I don’t think copies and duplicates was/is even mentioned in the law. The law explicitly bans specific makers. It was not ambiguous as the terminology did not exist so should not have been open to administrative interpretation. She created an entirely new category and definition out of thin air. It’s like saying Jello shots was never defined so by interpretation they are now also illegal.
 
Martinilover said:
One thought is doing so shines a light on you being a felon by buying such a rifle.
The other thought is that registering it by 8/1 “ grandfathers you in”.

Can we get some thoughts on this? There are a lot of folks that do not know what to do.
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Honestly, nobody knows. There is quite literally NO GOOD ANSWER for that.

Your guess is as good as any other's. You crave certainty, but you need to accept that you're not going to get certainty.
 

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