The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

allen-1 said:
Start reloading.
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Primers and powder are rape now though, which took some of the edge away. I did it for several years but had to sell my 550. Honestly I would have gotten back on the wagon if I was shooting as much as I used to but I haven't come anywhere close to those volumes in the past decade as I did back then. Back when i reloaded I used about 2-4k of 45 every year and 4-6k of 9mm every year. Those days are long gone.
 
drgrant said:
Primers and powder are rape now though, which took some of the edge away. I did it for several years but had to sell my 550. Honestly I would have gotten back on the wagon if I was shooting as much as I used to but I haven't come anywhere close to those volumes in the past decade as I did back then. Back when i reloaded I used about 2-4k of 45 every year and 4-6k of 9mm every year. Those days are long gone.
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Not aimed specifically at you. Given what I’m reading about this law - anyone who shoots any kind of quantity should consider reloading.

I’m primarily shooting 9mm these days, and i easily go through 1200 rounds a month.

“He had an arsenal”.
 
Reptile said:
This law was written before Chevron.

Is she signs it - the law would get thrown out in court.
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I doubt that's why she hasn't signed it. If it is, she'll just wait and let it go into effect.

Either way, if they don't enforce it, nobody will ever have good standing to take it to court. That should make it take longer to get to SCOTUS, by which time another state's case will likely preclude most of ours.

So her party can claim they weren't responsible for getting it thrown out.
 
My friend has a Glock frame that was never eFA10'd.

Glocks are on the roster and legal until 8/1.

Should I tell my friend to eFA10 that frame before it's too late?

After 8/1 it can't be registered, right?
 
As much as I despise Healey policies- maybe she actually realizes it’s a constitutional nightmare. She actually ceded to Bruen in regards to LTC suitability process…. Doubtful though. Maybe she’s compiling the cameras/groups for a massive bill signing.
 
Ultimate Shield said:
None of those lists seem to be up to date with either the Tavors or the MCX's, so Im assuming they are long out of date. Did NES ever make a list of what was clearly ok and what was grey area?
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Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons?​


Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons. For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121:
  • Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here.
  • Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations;
  • Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle;
  • Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon;
  • Beretta Cx4 Storm
  • FN PS90 or substantially similar model weapon;
  • IWI Tavor or substantially similar model weapon;
  • Kel-Tec Sub-2000
  • Kel-Tec RFB
  • Any Springfield Armory M1A or substantially similar model weapon;
  • Any of the hundreds of rifles and shotguns on this list —Appendix A to 18 U.S.C. § 922, as appearing on September 13, 1994;
  • Any weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;
  • Any weapon that is an antique, relic, or theatrical prop;
  • Any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition;
  • Any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.
This list is not exhaustive; it is meant for illustrative purposes only. Many other weapons are not Assault Weapons or copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons.


Frequently Asked Questions about the Assault Weapons Ban Enforcement Notice

www.mass.gov www.mass.gov
 
Reptile said:
My friend has a Glock frame that was never eFA10'd.

Glocks are on the roster and legal until 8/1.

Should I tell my friend to eFA10 that frame before it's too late?

After 8/1 it can't be registered, right?
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Just build into a gun and FA10 the gun. Glocks are so easy to build it should only take an hour even for someone that has never done it. Glocks are as easy as Legos. You can purchase all the parts on Ebay cheap.
 
JDL said:
Just build into a gun and FA10 the gun. Glocks are so easy to build it should only take an hour even for someone that has never done it. Glocks are as easy as Legos. You can purchase all the parts on Ebay cheap.
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It can't be done after 8/1, right?
 
Rob Boudrie said:
In order to defeat the post "Healy ban" in the ew legislation one would have to prove (as in get a court to agree, not just pnotificate on NES) that:

1. The AG enforcement did not have the force of law. The is theoretically possible as the old law referred to the federal AW ban definition, but the cuz guns doctrine is stong. Such a decision would establish that post-notice guns were legally possessed.

2. That banning these legally possessed and owned guns is a taking

3. That the state may not do a taking absent compensation, and better yet, that compensation is not an option the state can use.

Our side would need a win on all three points to prevail.
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Didn't some, or all, of the Legislatures write a letter to AG Healey, or maybe it was the Governor, when she did her enforcement notice shit? That might help, just help, such a case.
 
F if I know this bill is totally confusing. I'm not even shure what can be done and when and after reading all the different interpretations in this post it is even more confusing. So at this point if it were me I would get this done and in the system before 08/01/2024 at least it is the one date we can rely on sort of. I tried reading the bill and it seems to be contradicting and confusing and dosent even make any sense in places. The one takeaway I got from reading it was they really did what they wanted to do and jammed the entire wishlist into this bill without any caring about any court ramifications as far as they are concerned they can do anything without recourse. 2a is dead in Massachusetts. I am just waiting for what the states real interpretation of this bill is if they even try and explain what or what can not be done or what or what isn't leagle and when. Or maybe just to let us swing in the wind untill someone trangresses and ends up trying to defend themselves. Right now at this point I am not sure if I am a felon or not and if I am exposed to leagle action or not.
 
maltc said:
As much as I despise Healey policies- maybe she actually realizes it’s a constitutional nightmare. She actually ceded to Bruen in regards to LTC suitability process…. Doubtful though. Maybe she’s compiling the cameras/groups for a massive bill signing.
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Maura resist this opportunity of her political lifetime to royally screw us over once and for all time??? :oops: No way José!!! [rofl]

She is just sitting back right now reading, laughing and watching our suffering as we try in vain to figure out how to stay out of prison while still keeping our guns.

No, Maura is planning a bill signing celebration like no other in MA history... the Mother of All Bill Signing Celebrations. Count on it! [thumbsup]
 
EJFudd said:
Maura resist this opportunity of her political lifetime to royally screw us over once and for all time??? :oops: No way José!!! [rofl]

She is just sitting back right now reading, laughing and watching our suffering as we try in vain to figure out how to stay out of prison while still keeping our guns.

No, Maura is planning a bill signing celebration like no other in MA history... the Mother of All Bill Signing Celebrations. Count on it! [thumbsup]
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I really think you are right with this it is just taking a long time.
 
If I were someone that was worried if I bought something now I would have to get rid of it after 8/1 depending on how the law is enforced, I would hedge my bets and buy or register a couple less expensive items prior to 8/1.

For example, can you still get AR lowers? And are they still “cheap” compared to the whole rifle? If so, I’d do a couple of those. That way if they enforce the law in such a way that I have to get rid of them on 8/1, and I’m the type of person that would obey, I wouldn’t be out that much. But if it turns out I don’t have to turn them in, then I really won big because you’re probably not going to get to do that ever again.

Disclaimer: I don’t know the current laws and certainly don’t know what this one does. So there are a lot of assumptions here.
 
is the exemption for .22lr rimfire or just 22 rimfire? Might be a market for a new round, the .22wrm+++. Start with a 22wrm case, with a 55gr (xm193) bullet. You reloaders out there tell me, would you be able to fit enough powder to get it up to say 2800fps?

Bolt, barrel, and mag change and your AR is back in business
 
808 said:
Only threaded barrel pistols *will be affected, I think.
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Threaded barrel was already a feature under the AWB so this is nothing new. The pistol ASW definition is in fact more friendly towards traditional pistols. For example a threaded barrel on a DE50 was previously an assault weapon. It is not lawful. The new ASW for pistols like rifles takes out all handguards and foregrips so no AK or AR pistols (though they are copies/duplicates), no CZ scorpions, MP5s, B&T whatever, etc

So no, the threaded barrel is not causing a change in and of itself.
 
Is there anything in the current mess of MA gun law against storing a stripped lower outside the state for a spell while things sort themselves out a bit more? I see in the new law something about loans having to be reported but I so far don’t see the same language in the current law.
 
42! said:
is the exemption for .22lr rimfire or just 22 rimfire? Might be a market for a new round, the .22wrm+++. Start with a 22wrm case, with a 55gr (xm193) bullet. You reloaders out there tell me, would you be able to fit enough powder to get it up to say 2800fps?

Bolt, barrel, and mag change and your AR is back in business
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For a rifle to be an ASW it must be a CENTERFIRE semi-auto capable of accepting a detachable magazine. All rimfire cartridges are exempt.

How about 7.62x54R :)
 
MAJoe said:
Reflecting more on this. There’s a hard coded 8/1 date. Law goes into effect say 11/2. No one could be charged while the law is not in effect. But, what stops someone from being charged on 11/2 if they still possessed any banned items on 8/2?
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The fact that the law was not in effect until 11/2
 
elorion said:
Is there anything in the current mess of MA gun law against storing a stripped lower outside the state for a spell while things sort themselves out a bit more? I see in the new law something about loans having to be reported but I so far don’t see the same language in the current law.
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The laws of the state that the lower is currently in apply to it. Not MA laws just because the owner resides in MA.
 
GOAL said:
Our updated breakdown and FAQ of the anti-rights bill from the Massachusetts legislature is on our website. Stay tuned and help spread the word.

Chapter 135

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From the summary on Goal

"July 20, 2016 – Applies to the list of enumerated weapons (copies and duplicates ofthem) This now officially makes any purchases/transfers of Ars, Aks, or other enumerated Aws on or after the day of her press conference (July 20, 2016) illegal."

That is not what the language says. It says that anything purchased, owned and registered before 7/20/16 is NOT A COPY OR DUPLICATE. That is not the same as anything on or after 7/20/16 being illegal. You are taking two steps when you should take one. Report that it is not a copy or duplicate if it is "pre-Healey". That is what the law will say.

On whether it is a copy or duplicate on or after has not be judicated by a competent court. It is purely the opinion of the AG

We have 22 years of precedent from both federal and MA courts that say no, this is NOT the definition of copy or duplicate. And the MA AWB currently says "shall have the same meaning as" federal so the federal interpretation is what matters.

Why is GOAL going for super scare tactics on this topic?
 
Reptile said:
Well now that Chevron is out the window - maybe the new law will get thrown out.

The state would have been wise to adjust their course after the Chevron court decision.
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I may be wrong but I think I read that the chevron deference is for going forward. Not affecting the past stuff. I still haven’t read what chevron deference means. So much to learn and it’s really tuff keeping up with these threads.
 

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