The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Broc Tuah]

That's one thing here I don't get thats become a common theme. "Ignore the law." Well, when the state wants to jam you up they will and can. Seems like a huge gamble to me to buy illegal stuff in MA and go to a public range with it.

If you shoot at a range where people are inspecting your guns and calling the PoPo, you are shooting at the wrong range.

I have never sene this happen in well over 15 years going to ranges and going to multiple shooting events such as Steel Challenge and USPSA, where cops shoot and I habe never seen one inspecting peoples guns.

 

[doolz]

If you shoot at a range where people are inspecting your guns and calling the PoPo, you are shooting at the wrong range.

I have never sene this happen in well over 15 years going to ranges and going to multiple shooting events such as Steel Challenge and USPSA, where cops shoot and most people have "high capacity" mags.

This.

Nothing worse than salty range masters. Believe me, they exist.

 

[JDL]

Anyone see this?

Section 128A.

1. (f) A bona fide collector of firearms may purchase a firearm that was not previously owned or registered in the commonwealth from a dealer licensed under section 122 if it is a curio or relic firearm as defined in section 121.
   

Not even sure what they're trying to exempt? Is there any section that says you can't own a firearm not previously owned in the commonwealth?

What that are saying is if you have a C&R FFL you can no longer purchase a C&R gun and have it shipped to you you must go through an 02 or 07 FFL.

 

[Spartan65]

That's one thing here I don't get thats become a common theme. "Ignore the law." Well, when the state wants to jam you up they will and can. Seems like a huge gamble to me to buy illegal stuff in MA and go to a public range with it.

Do you know how many times I’ve been to the range and thought to myself

“Wow I guess I’m the only one who follows gun laws?”

All the time. This is Massachusetts everything is illegal. Most guys have no idea they are even breaking a law. Ignorance is no excuse but I think people getting jammed up that way is pretty rare.

 

[MAJoe]

What that are saying is if you have a C&R FFL you can no longer purchase a C&R gun and have it shipped to you you must go through an 02 or 07 FFL.

Are they? I think they’re saying a dealer can ignore the roster if selling a C&R eligible item to an 03. I don’t see that saying an 03 must purchase from a licensee in state.

 

[42!]

Anyone see this?

Section 128A.

1. (f) A bona fide collector of firearms may purchase a firearm that was not previously owned or registered in the commonwealth from a dealer licensed under section 122 if it is a curio or relic firearm as defined in section 121.

Not even sure what they're trying to exempt? Is there any section that says you can't own a firearm not previously owned in the commonwealth?

What that are saying is if you have a C&R FFL you can no longer purchase a C&R gun and have it shipped to you you must go through an 02 or 07 FFL.

Just no, it doesn't say that.
See the bolded "may" not must.

under the new law a dealer can only sell guns on the roster.
this is the exception to that rule. if you have a C&R FFL, the dealer can sell you an off roster gun provided it qualifies as a C&R.

This is to get around the issue that C&R guns are never going to be on the roster, because of what's involved to get on the roster.

 

[nm1]

Are they? I think they’re saying a dealer can ignore the roster if selling a C&R eligible item to an 03. I don’t see that saying an 03 must purchase from a licensee in state.

I don’t think current law handles that either. It’s treated as a personal out of state import: purchase->register via portal.
It just happens that by virtue of having a C&R you can have it shipped to you.

 

[Dench]

If you shoot at a range where people are inspecting your guns and calling the PoPo, you are shooting at the wrong range.

I have never sene this happen in well over 15 years going to ranges and going to multiple shooting events such as Steel Challenge and USPSA, where cops shoot and most people have "high capacity" mags.

So this law is just a suggestion? Good luck. Someone will get bent over.

Regardless, as if 2A was even MAs biggest problem.

 

[Nick Fury]

HAHAHA that is such a wild take.

That was actually a position one NES member took. Because she was drinking and driving …

That's one thing here I don't get thats become a common theme. "Ignore the law." Well, when the state wants to jam you up they will and can. Seems like a huge gamble to me to buy illegal stuff in MA and go to a public range with it.

Agreed but not even close to what I said or quoted. Woodenloafers thinks the law strikes true. Every time…

 

[Darkslide]

If you shoot at a range where people are inspecting your guns and calling the PoPo, you are shooting at the wrong range.

I have never sene this happen in well over 15 years going to ranges and going to multiple shooting events such as Steel Challenge and USPSA, where cops shoot and most people have "high capacity" mags.

Last year, I was shooting at the Reading range and some douchebag comes up to inspect my gun and asked if I have a tax stamp for that.

 

[Coda]

That's one thing here I don't get thats become a common theme. "Ignore the law." Well, when the state wants to jam you up they will and can. Seems like a huge gamble to me to buy illegal stuff in MA and go to a public range with it.

First off many of us in the rural areas have backyard ranges and don't give a sh*t what people at the range are looking at.

Second, all the times I did go to the range no one ever questioned my guns. And I never questioned anybody else's guns.

Thirdly, most if not all of us in MA don't drive to the range with lights out, expired reg, speeding through red lights with a pound of coke in the back seat.

 

[Dench]

First off many of us in the rural areas have backyard ranges and don't give a sh*t what people at the range are looking at.

Second, all the times I did go to the range no one ever questioned my guns. And I never questioned anybody else's guns.

Thirdly, most if not all of us in MA don't drive to the range with lights out, expired reg, speeding through red lights with a pound of coke in the back seat.

The cope in this thread is wild.

 

[Admin]

That's one thing here I don't get thats become a common theme. "Ignore the law." Well, when the state wants to jam you up they will and can. Seems like a huge gamble to me to buy illegal stuff in MA and go to a public range with it.

I have to imagine the range Karens will be more aggressive when this trainwreck becomes law.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Last year, I was shooting at the Reading range and some douchebag comes up to inspect my gun and asked if I have a tax stamp for that.

That is messed up. I never had anyone ask about my guns at Reading.

I hope you told him to f*ck off.

 

[maltc]

Can healey veto sections of the bill ? For instance areas that have no potential for funding… Is she possibly going through this to determine what’s viable?

 

[Admin]

First off many of us in the rural areas have backyard ranges and don't give a sh*t what people at the range are looking at.

Second, all the times I did go to the range no one ever questioned my guns. And I never questioned anybody else's guns.

Thirdly, most if not all of us in MA don't drive to the range with lights out, expired reg, speeding through red lights with a pound of coke in the back seat.

Its going to become a serious life altering risk going forward.

 

[Broc Tuah]

So this law is just a suggestion? Good luck. Someone will get bent over.

Regardless, as if 2A was even MAs biggest problem.

I am not talking about the law or telling people what to do.

All I am saying is if you shoot somewhere where people inspect your guns, it is time to find a new club.

 

[Darkslide]

That is messed up. I never had anyone ask about my guns at Reading.

I hope you told him to f*ck off.

I try to act polite when everyone’s holding a gun . I assumed he was a range officer so I politely explained to him that this surefire warden is not a suppressor and that my “other” is not a SBR. Then I found out there are no range officers and he was just some fudd who hangs out there. I think his name was Larry or something.

 

[EMTDAD]

anyone curious why the dyke in charge hasn't signed it yet... figured she'd be all hot and wet over this that she'd be eager to get the press lapping it up.

 

[Dench]

I have to imagine the range Karens will be more aggressive when this trainwreck becomes law.

I'm happy i wont have to worry about it. One thing after another in MA.

 

[Beretta92FS]

anyone curious why the dyke in charge hasn't signed it yet... figured she'd be all hot and wet over this that she'd be eager to get the press lapping it up.

She will probably sign in on August 2nd, the reason being that if she signs it before the 1st the grandfather clause will not kick in as it was clearly intended.

 

[JDL]

Just no, it doesn't say that.
See the bolded "may" not must.
OK I did misunderstand
under the new law a dealer can only sell guns on the roster.
this is the exception to that rule. if you have a C&R FFL, the dealer can sell you an off roster gun provided it qualifies as a C&R.

This is to get around the issue that C&R guns are never going to be on the roster, because of what's involved to get on the roster.

OK so I did misunderstand. Thank you for the correction.

 

[scott-o]

“Curio or relic firearms”, firearms which are of special interest to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive firearms.

 

[Jenska22]

time to use any left-over Cabela's credits/gift cards and get some Glock mags before they're all sold out, cuz what else you gonna do with a gift card? Buy a boat?

 

[Reptile]

She will probably sign in on August 2nd, the reason being that if she signs it before the 1st the grandfather clause will not kick in as it was clearly intended.

Can you please elaborate on that?

There will be no post Healey grandfathering if signed on 8/2?

 

[william_munny]

Can healey veto sections of the bill ? For instance areas that have no potential for funding… Is she possibly going through this to determine what’s viable?

No, she cannot cherry pick what she wants to pass. She either passes it as it is or vetoes it and sends it back with notes on what she will pass.

ETA: disregard - as others have since explained, she can veto budget items.

 

[pastera]

Can someone, anyone, please explain to me how any gun owner in MA doesn't know that GOAL is the official state NRA organization.

This is how:

 

[pastera]

Sorry if this has been covered but is an AR10 considered a copy or duplicate even though there aren't really interchangeable parts with an AR platform? There is also the fact that the AR10 predates the AR15. Great conversation in here and plenty of laughs, i've been out of the NES loop for a bit and its taken me 4 days to get through the 300+ pages posted here on this proposed new law. One other thought I had was that on the mass.gov website there is a EFA10 deletion form and that kind of says something. Thanks guys

Shares trigger group

that has internal functional components that are substantially
171 similar in construction and configuration to those of an enumerated firearm in clauses (d) and
172 (e)

 

[Woodsloafer]

First off many of us in the rural areas have backyard ranges and don't give a sh*t what people at the range are looking at.

Second, all the times I did go to the range no one ever questioned my guns. And I never questioned anybody else's guns.

Thirdly, most if not all of us in MA don't drive to the range with lights out, expired reg, speeding through red lights with a pound of coke in the back seat.

I'm going to stop transporting coke on 8/1.

 

[pastera]

No, she cannot cherry pick what she wants to pass. She either passes it as it is or vetoes it and sends it back with notes on what she will pass.

She can line item veto budget items