The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Tcroal]

No, she cannot cherry pick what she wants to pass. She either passes it as it is or vetoes it and sends it back with notes on what she will pass.

This is actually untrue in Massachusetts she can veto anything with a cost attached to it as a line item according to GOAL

I see her letting it sit so she can’t be blamed when the law is so brazenly anti 2a it gets the entirety of our gun control tossed via lawsuits

 

[Woodsloafer]

Its going to become a serious life altering risk going forward.

Meh, infinitesimally small. Nobody's getting prosecuted unless it is a tack on to something much more criminal.

 

[drgrant]

I have to imagine the range Karens will be more aggressive when this trainwreck becomes law.

"Range Karens" in mass are relatively rare. Then again I make a habit of staying the f*** away from loop clubs and ones with bad cultures, so im probably biased.

 

[Woodsloafer]

"Range Karens" in mass are relatively rare. Then again I make a habit of staying the f*** away from loop clubs and ones with bad cultures, so im probably biased.

Out in central/western MA I've never seen a range Karen, fortunately.

 

[PATRON]

anyone curious why the dyke in charge hasn't signed it yet... figured she'd be all hot and wet over this that she'd be eager to get the press lapping it up.

She might be afraid, that some nut might take her out if she signs the bill.
There is always that person out there, like the guy who shot Trump.
Just waiting to become famous,especially with this law that will effect so many people.

 

[Beretta92FS]

Can you please elaborate on that?

There will be no post Healey grandfathering if signed on 8/2?

The new law says “legally possessed ON 8/1/2024”, not on or before. So if the signs it with an emergency preamble prior to 8/1, the law takes effect immediately and hence the 8/1 grandfathering will not be triggered. If she signs it without the emergency preamble, or on 8/1 or later,’then the grandfathering is triggered.

 

[Reptile]

The new law says “legally possessed ON 8/1/2024”, not on or before. So if the signs it with an emergency preamble prior to 8/1, the law takes effect immediately and hence the 8/1 grandfathering will not be triggered. If she signs it without the emergency preamble, or on 8/1 or later,’then the grandfathering is triggered.

I dare her to sign it with an emergency preamble prior to 8/1.

That would benefit us in the long run because it just shows how absurd this all is and will sooner be thrown out in court!

 

[Coda]

I dare her to sign it with an emergency preamble prior to 8/1.

That would benefit us in the long run because it just shows how absurd this all is and will sooner be thrown out in court!

She is going to sign it this weekend to impress Kamala with her "vice presidential qualities"............

It's official: Vice President Kamala Harris will attend the Pittsfield event Saturday

The campaign fundraiser, sold out since Friday, will be held Saturday afternoon in Pittsfield.

www.berkshireeagle.com

 

[Jenska22]

I'm going to stop transporting coke on 8/1.

I stopped today, so my possession is grandfathered

 

[CWulf]

This is actually untrue in Massachusetts she can veto anything with a cost attached to it as a line item according to GOAL

I see her letting it sit so she can’t be blamed when the law is so brazenly anti 2a it gets the entirety of our gun control tossed via lawsuits

This. She doesn't have to sign it. It becomes law 10 days after the legislature passed. So, Sunday.

 

[Broc Tuah]

She is going to sign it this weekend to impress Kamala with her "vice presidential qualities"............

It's official: Vice President Kamala Harris will attend the Pittsfield event Saturday

The campaign fundraiser, sold out since Friday, will be held Saturday afternoon in Pittsfield.

www.berkshireeagle.com

Kamala is not picking another woman.

 

[Picton]

And they will in this state, sadly. I know most people “here” ignore the 7/20/2016 “Healey Ban” but truth is, most (or a lot) of the bigger gun shops (aka not the Mill) wouldn’t touch AR’s after her edict. People said “don’t worry the courts will shut this down”

That was 2,962 days ago… still waiting 8 years later…

The courts can't shut down things that never get taken to court, y'see.

Those people are correct. The courts will shut down the 2016 edict... if anyone in government tries to enforce it.

Same with this bill, but the Edict taught the state that they can rely on fear to do their enforcement work for them. It's up to us to refuse to be afraid, which in this case means denying them compliance with this stupid law.

 

[rep308]

the state of Illinois achieved less than 5% compliance rate when forcing gun owners to register their sh!t. We can do better (lower) than that!

Insert “ those are rookie numbers meme”


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHtd1c_2Do&t=1s

 

[jek]

This. She doesn't have to sign it. It becomes law 10 days after the legislature passed. So, Sunday.

Hmm, wonder why they put in the Aug. 1st date then.

 

[JDL]

She might be afraid, that some nut might take her out if she signs the bill.
There is always that person out there, like the guy who shot Trump.
Just waiting to become famous,especially with this law that will effect so many people.

I really don't think so. No one will become famous for shooting her. If someone did the reaction in the country would be Maura who?

 

[Picton]

I really don't think so. No one will become famous for shooting her. If someone did the reaction in the country would be Maura who?

This. I'd wager decent money that if you pulled any ten random M***holes aside on the streets of any town in the Commonwealth and asked them who the governor was, maybe five would know. Probably more like four.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

The new law says “legally possessed ON 8/1/2024”, not on or before. So if the signs it with an emergency preamble prior to 8/1, the law takes effect immediately and hence the 8/1 grandfathering will not be triggered. If she signs it without the emergency preamble, or on 8/1 or later,’then the grandfathering is triggered.

Let's assume it was "legally possessed" on 7/31. Is it not "legally possessed" on 8/1 assuming no change in circumstances (like you didn't end up in court and become a PP on 8/1)?

 

[mphre]

This. She doesn't have to sign it. It becomes law 10 days after the legislature passed. So, Sunday.

So short of a veto and kicking it back down to the legislature nothing will be grandfathered? From what I’ve read if the law goes into effect pre 8/1 there will be no grandfathering because nothing will have been lawfully possessed ON 8/1

 

[Amputee Marksman]

So short of a veto and kicking it back down to the legislature nothing will be grandfathered? From what I’ve read if the law goes into effect pre 8/1 there will be no grandfathering because nothing will have been lawfully possessed ON 8/1

Only if an emergency preamble is added to make the law effective immediately. Is she doesn't sign it no preamble can be added at this point.

 

[Picton]

So short of a veto and kicking it back down to the legislature nothing will be grandfathered? From what I’ve read if the law goes into effect pre 8/1 there will be no grandfathering because nothing will have been lawfully possessed ON 8/1

Uh, no?

The law itself says when it takes effect... whether she signs it or not, the effective date is based on that wording, and on whatever statutes govern gubernatorial signatures and preambles (which I'm not well-versed in).

If you're worried about grandfathering, and the law says everything before 8/1 is grandfathered, then everything before 8/1 is grandfathered. End of story.

 

[Hardwired]

This. She doesn't have to sign it. It becomes law 10 days after the legislature passed. So, Sunday.

Is this correct, the passed bill becomes law Sunday July 28th if she doesn’t sign before then??

And somehow the 8-1 date becomes grandmotherFU !!? This is the first I heard of that.

I’m already seeing retailers stating last day is 7/31 the day before 8/1.

 

[CWulf]

So short of a veto and kicking it back down to the legislature nothing will be grandfathered? From what I’ve read if the law goes into effect pre 8/1 there will be no grandfathering because nothing will have been lawfully possessed ON 8/1

For the bill to become law the Governor has to sign it, veto it or she does nothing and it becomes law in 10 days. If its signed or she lets it sit the law will then take effect on 8/1 as specified in the bill

 

[Picton]

Great.

Now the pantshitters have something else to pantshit about...

My over-under is that we'll see three new threads about this by the end of the day, all by posters with less than 100 posts despite 10 years of membership. Sheesh.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

If its signed or she lets it sit the law will then take effect on 8/1 as specified in the bill

No. Without adding an emergency preamble the bill becomes law 90 days later. The grandfather date is 8/1 and 7/20 depending on how you interpret the bill.

 

[CWulf]

Is this correct, the passed bill becomes law Sunday July 28th if she doesn’t sign before then??

And somehow the 8-1 date becomes grandmotherFU !!? This is the first I heard of that.

I’m already seeing retailers stating last day is 7/31 the day before 8/1.

Even if she signs it today it doesn't impact the start date, which is 8/1. By not signing it it becomes law 10 days after its passed by the legislature. Neither impacts the bill itself or the 8/1 date.

 

[CWulf]

No. Without adding an emergency preamble the bill becomes law 90 days later. The grandfather date is 8/1 and 7/20 depending on how you interpret the bill.

This is also correct, I forgot to add this. I would assume, as a final FU to gun owners, she will add the emergency preamble.

My head it starting to hurt. Fug this, I'm going to watch the Olympics.

 

[2/1Marine]

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[silversquirrel]

I am declaring myself grandfathered for attempting to comply with MA gun laws for the past 32 years. Been long enough. So tired of it. They make it more confusing every time! I dont even know what to panic buy!

 

[Rick1987]

Would registering a newly built AR-15 using a Kali Key when you assembled it bypass all of this nonsense since it would in effect be a bolt action AR?

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Why bother.
Apparently you can build an AR with collapsible stock and be grandfathered in.

After 8-1 your bolt action would need to be on the roster

 

[nm1]

Even if she signs it today it doesn't impact the start date, which is 8/1. By not signing it it becomes law 10 days after its passed by the legislature. Neither impacts the bill itself or the 8/1 date.

I think the claim is: if it is signed with an emergency preamble before 8/1 the new AW definition/test will come into force immediately and nothing detachable mag semi-auto would be ‘legally possessed’ on 8/1 because it fails under the new AW test prior to 8/1