Night_solstice
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Or considering how ignorant most people are about this, perhaps they know if they stay quiet, let it 'auto pass' quietly, then there's no mass panic by the general public, even if it does add an additional 90 days.
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The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885
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Are pump shotguns still going to be sold post 8/1? This bill is super unclear.
it’s clear. Dealers cannot sell anything that isn’t on the roster so that means only on roster pistols. No shotguns. No bolt action rifles.
Edit: Once it takes effect, which could be when it’s signed or 90 days after.
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In theory? Once this law takes effect, every single firearm sold at retail in MA will need to pass the state's testing first to show up on an approved roster.
Now... is that going to happen on 01 August, through an emergency preamble? Is that going to happen 90 days later? Is that going to happen at all, or will a court action halt its implementation? Is that going to be delayed because the state currently has NO WAY to test pump shotguns, and won't within 90 days after 01 August? Is that going to be dependent on which FFLs care to follow this law and which don't?
We. Don't. Know.
El_Guapo77
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Man watching that you can't help but feel depressed
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There have to be some FFLs who will sell compliant pumps shotguns while the roster gets created. I mean, this is just such an f'ing mess.
IANAL, just my read:
To be sold by dealers, firearms need to be on the approved firearm roster. Firearms used to mean handgun, and it needed to be able to fire. The new bill expands the scope of the term firearm to include frames, shotguns, rifles, etc.
The law still says that dealers can't sell firearms unless they're on the approved firearm roster. Unless they amend the bill or update the roster with an exemption, then a pump action shotgun would not be able to be sold, because they are not on the roster.
The effective date here is not 8/1, it's when the bill takes effect. Typically, this is 90 days from after it becomes law. If Healey adds an emergency preamble, then the law takes effect immediately.
Cape ann guy mentioned high cap pre ban mags can’t be “staged” within the home… does that mean can’t be loaded and within a safe at home?
Your home is your castle.
I think that may be referring to the language that regulates clubs with LTCs.
For personal use section 131M lists the places where one may play with their large cap mags, and requires them to be unloaded/under lock during transport between those locations.
scott-o
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I wonder if they will let people buy sks, garand,m1a and mini m14 after they pass this bill. I know that people can still buy pum, bolt and lever action rifles, just not so sure about semiauto.
HARRYM
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I miss the good ole days when we were called "pant shitters".............................good times..................
1903Collector
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Doubt it, the law is pretty clear on that. As said by others unless it get corrected or struck down we're gonna be stuck with it
Agreed. This is a felony issue for the FFLs and the sale is clearly evidenced. That’s not worth the risk.
SKS and Garand I’m sure unless the roster becomes the issue. They’re not detachable mag rifles so they can’t be assault weapons (ignoring the SKS-M).
Roadglide
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Talked to a guy who was more familiar with her than most due to the business he was in at the time. His claim is she is about consumer safety. Not specifically gun control. But that was when she was AG and a lot could’ve changed between then and now.
How to talk for 7+ minutes and somehow manage say absolutely nothing of substance. No wonder we get our asses kicked like it’s our job.
Here is a summary for folks “blah, blah, blah, we’re doing a great job, blah, blah, meaningless euphemism, blah, blah”
1903Collector
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You won't be able to buy anything, everything will need to be on a roster just like we have now for handguns. All long guns, every Mossberg Pump, every bolt action, every Marlin lever gun and yes, even Henry single shots. But even without the roster element I think all the long guns you mentioned would be banned, even the mini-14 and M1A's don't escape this time, I believe the "shroud" language is what does pretty much all semi's in.
Ironically I made the comment last night to other members here that I think Day or whoever was involved in this pile of trash, picked maybe a few pieces of select materials from Bloombergs playbook but threw the rest in the trash. The antis of a few years ago are not quite the same as those we see now, it's abundantly clear to me that bigger moonbats have entered the circus. The old cabal i used to rail about here is not calling the shots..
Or let me put it this way, this bill was not structured in a way that delivers a bunch of cheap reliable wins for antis.
I don't think an emergency preamble is automatic if she just signs it. The 90 day thing is only going to matter on edge cases.
EJFudd
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Pathetic beyond words. Now you know why I think GOAL is a lost cause. I was so depressed after watching that, I couldn't decide if I should cry or scream.
I've never gotten the sense she's an idealogue about guns. She's willing to go along with the idealogues about guns, of course, because she's a democrat and that's what her party believes; she's most definitely not pro-2A. But I've long thought that Healy is, first and foremost, a pragmatist. She wants to get things done, preferably without spending any political capital: she's good at seeking low-hanging political fruit.
She's also no dummy. I think she knows full well that gun control is a losing issue for her party in the long run, and has no real desire to be associated with this bill. Think about how she could have pushed it, or how she could still be pushing it now; I'm not aware of anything she's said about it at all.
EJFudd
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This is the most critical question for which we need a definitive answer between now and 8/1. Too bad that I don't think we are going to get one.
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That's free man speak....cut it out.
Do we really need an answer though?This is the most critical question for which we need a definitive answer between now and 8/1. Too bad that I don't think we are going to get one.
This.
The only people who "know the answer" are folks who hate us and want to strip our rights away. You shouldn't want or need an answer from the likes of them.
not new guy
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I like his advice but do get a little squeamish when it comes to putting a confession into an electronic database in the face of this, when they've made it clear that they think post-2016 ARs are illegal. But I guess play it out, right? Are they going to kick your door in? No. They can't prove where the gun is (could be stored out of state for example). Can they jam you up for it? How would they? They could say you had it in-state for the transfer at least but that's all pre-enactment so who cares. That leaves prosecuting you under the proclamation (not this new law), which they presumably won't do because it would result in a case that they're probably going to lose. So buy and build those ARs, right?
The possibility of people getting jammed up for stuff like this is a big part of why I have a problem with parties like GOALuida going on the record and saying all post-2016 ARs are illegal. It's not clear so why the hell would you concede the argument and empower the would-be prosecution?
EJFudd
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Depends on your tolerance for fines, legal fees, PP status and/or prison I suppose. Since I am old and don't wish to die in prison, I'd love a definitive answer before 8/1.
But we aren't going to get one. Our best and most knowledgeable members on this have different interpretations.
