The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Garys]

You'd have to run around yelling "Fishy! Fishy!" like Leona Helmsley.

I don't think I'd do well having servants.

 

[william_munny]

Did you tell them "hey retards, after this is fully enabled you're not even going to be able to buy the most bog standard shotguns at places like even four seasons? "

But thus mindset you speak of, it is pervasive in a large % of LTC holders.

I honestly can't wait for people like that to go try and buy a new bird gun and then get punched in the dick. The one upside to this shit sandwich is that even the casuals are boned for once.

 

[Picton]

I honestly can't wait for people like that to go try and buy a new bird gun and then get punched in the dick. The one upside to this shit sandwich is that even the casuals are boned for once.

They're going to be very surprised when they can't even go try to buy a new bird gun because every gun shop in the state is out of business.

 

[drgrant]

They're going to be very surprised when they can't even go try to buy a new bird gun because every gun shop in the state is out of business.

There will be box stores left selling this, maybe?

 

[sig shooter]

I had a co-worker that lost his Grandmother, 3 days later, his Grandfather, and both of his parents the day before his birthday 2 days after the grandparents. (Natural causes on the grandparents, Dad had a heart attack while driving with mom to finish making funeral plans, he drove off the road into a tree)
Co-worker's fiancé had him sectioned because "He seems really sad and depressed and he didn't want to go out for Sunday dinner with my mom on his birthday or to the concert he was looking forward to on Monday"

They held him the full 3 days, all the while saying his level of depression / sadness / anxiety was in line with someone enduring so many losses all in a row like that.

He still married the girl.

One has to be a “Danger to themselves or others” to be sectioned: Active suicidal ideation with a plan, homicidal ideation, and severe psychosis are what generally land you in a psych ward. I worked in psych for a good part of my life. Some hospitals abused the system and had a reputation for sectioning people for feeling “blue” or “depressed”. This was likely due to fear of liability if someone killed themselves after being cleared by psych. Most therapists use sec 12 as a last resort and will do anything to keep clients out of a psych hospital.

 

[Broc Tuah]

if it was simple, then there wouldn’t be 2 different threads with like 5k posts trying to interpret the same bill... I do understand that you are comfortable with the level of risk you have chose to live with.

I see you are new to NES.

We will get 5K posts and multiple threads discussing the shape of a cloud and argue if it is a government spaceship spying on us.

 

[RumRunner]

I see you are new to NES.

We will get 5K posts and multiple threads discussing the shape of a cloud and argue if it is a government spaceship spying on us.

Prove it's not!

 

[Picton]

I see you are new to NES.

We will get 5K posts and multiple threads discussing the shape of a cloud and argue if it is a government spaceship spying on us.

...I mean, obviously it's a government spaceship spying on us...

 

[maltc]

A plain reading of that part of the bill pretty much reaffirms what cgw is saying there. Range use only. Must be locked up and unloaded otherwise.

Extremely retarded.

Really is but also seemed like that provision is within the transportation section… so potentially exclusive to that? Once again who the f knows!!

 

[not new guy]

...I mean, obviously it's a government spaceship spying on us...

That's stupid. Clouds are charging stations for birds. The birds are the gov't spies.

 

[drgrant]

Really is but also seemed like that provision is within the transportation section… so potentially exclusive to that? Once again who the f knows!!

It seems its confined to that context, actually.

 

[sig shooter]

They're going to be very surprised when they can't even go try to buy a new bird gun because every gun shop in the state is out of business.

Tell them to get a blackpowder side-by side! Lolz. Shits going to get real when the Fudds can’t get ammo for their thirdy-thirdy. I’m an avid hunter and have nothing against Fudd guns. I just hate the Fudd mindset.

 

[HARRYM]

They're going to be very surprised when they can't even go try to buy a new bird gun because every gun shop in the state is out of business.

And that's always been the end game hasn't it.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

...I mean, obviously it's a government spaceship black helicopter spying on us...

FTFY

 

[alx]

This is the most critical question for which we need a definitive answer between now and 8/1. Too bad that I don't think we are going to get one.

This.

The issue (just thinking out loud) is that folks might have lowers of named banned rifles (colt ar15, ak, steyr aug, etc) or copies that were 4473 to them via an FFL after 7/20… now since those are not firearms - that was completely ok. Now those folks have to efa10 said lowers/ receivers before 8/1 and presto- all of a sudden they are in a possession of killy guns… I am not in that boat, but I do know that the FFLs sold many many lowers just the last couple days. Are folks going to efa10 them?

Now, the constitution specifically states that new laws cannot mint new criminals (post facto), but who cares about the Constitution- right?

 

[pastera]

Wouldn’t the logical argument to drop the existing data be that the portal is extremely inaccurate due to the fact that firearms are never removed from an individuals profile… a gun that is sold or transferred is now recorded under two individuals ownership, correct? You used the word “suspected” so I assume you are accounting for this. Again, I understand nothing is logical in this state.

For all serialized guns one need only sort that manufacture/serial entry by date select the newest entry.
At that point whoever had it last in the state "owns"
Now you add a method to, under penalty of perjury, swear that the now "registered owner" legally transferred that firearm to a dealer or out of state in order to allow us plebes to correct their data or face legal peril.

For non-serialized gun, you simply replicate the entry and force the person to assert they don't own it anymore.

 

[Cap]

Fpc could actually make the situation worse. Listen to goals podcast and Jim explains why.

FPC actually does stuff, I don't particularly care what GOAL says.

Me? I’ll make a good faith effort to comply with reasonable laws.

I see what you did there.

 

[inerlogic]

I opened up my 'Unintended Consequences' eBook and turned to page 300, Henry Bowman's essay on NFA and GCA. The new MA law, if successfully implemented, will create similar conditions in the Commonwealth described by the screenshot below.

Machine gun owners faced the same dilemma when the registry opened in a form of amnesty: registering your guns will ensure that they will stay legal and transferable (and possibly increase in value), but also subject them to easy confiscation later on. It's a personal decision based on your beliefs and risk tolerance, and maybe greed.

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time to feed the pigs...... wait.... isn't he Jewish? why is he raising pigs?

 

[kevin9]

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It's pretty clear that the authors had a real hard-on for standard capacity magazines, somehow believing they're "more dangerous" than actual firearms. They're trying to effectively ban ownership by restricting usage to the point of uselessness without running afoul of ex post facto.
These restrictions not only eliminate carry usage, but they also effectively eliminate their usage for in-home self-defense. I suspect that use case might be an avenue to attack this portion of the law.

 

[maltc]

It seems its confined to that context, actually.

So Therefore ONLY when being transported? That’s what I’m deriving…

 

[silen7ce]

That’s how I was reading it too

 

[alan226]

It's pretty clear that the authors had a real hard-on for standard capacity magazines, somehow believing they're "more dangerous" than actual firearms. They're trying to effectively ban ownership by restricting usage to the point of uselessness without running afoul of ex post facto.
These restrictions not only eliminate carry usage, but they also effectively eliminate their usage for in-home self-defense. I suspect that use case might be an avenue to attack this portion of the law.

"see, we're not banning them. You can keep them. You just can't use them"

 

[Lxpony]

Ok. Registration. Why do people keep talking about registering before 8/1? Are you all willfully stupid?

WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE REGISTRATION

The existing MIRCS system records transactions. They call one of the options registration but that is not what the law says. Even the registration option lets you name the seller.

We record transactions. The current database is useless.


The new law has chap 140 sec 121B for registration. This does not take effect for up to one year after the new law takes effect, until the new IT system is implemented. Brand new. Not MIRCS. No data in the new system. You THEN have a year to ACTUALLY register everything you own in the new system. THAT is what the new law says.

So doing fa10s now makes you a good boy but means nothing relative to the new law. It is evidence you lawfully possessed on 8/1 but PROVES nothing. Remember, the state has to prove the gun was not lawfully possessed on 8/1. The fact that an atf trace request will prove your dealer had the lower in the state prior to 8/1 ends the states case.

If you think “purchases or obtains” applies to you assembling a gun, keep doing FA10s to abide by the current law. But “registering” now to abide by a future law is a total non sequitur.

Or in some of our cases, an approved Form 1 prior to 8/1 proves lawfully obtained prior to that date. No EFA10 needed.

 

[Hardwired]

GOAL is and has always been a reflection of MA gun owners.

Im fairly certain there is little support for GOAL statistically as compared to how many active LTC's there are in this state.

So if you blame them for sucking.....you can blame MA gun owners (or most of them, who are not members, or active) for sucking.

That said...overall, I don't think there are enough gun owners here as a part for voting block for the pols to give a rats ass....and with this bill, that is obvious.

I will support GOAL from any state I'm living in.....just because I feel for anyone left here, and as a middle finger to the a**h***s who trample on you guys.

Many clubs require NRA membership. What they should be doing is requiring GOAL membership and recommending donating to COMM2A, GOA, etc to hall preserve what little rights you have left.

No idea why they don’t. Most active gun owners need a club and fork over hundreds annually. My club is hot to charge $50 for a late payment, send it to friggin GOAL for Christ sake then. It’s a couple of boxes of ammo.

 

[chris_1001]

Or in some of our cases, an approved Form 1 prior to 8/1 proves lawfully obtained prior to that date. No EFA10 needed.

How about a submitted one? The Form 1 has a SN, caliber and length of the barrel listed. The SN alone should pore you have it already

 

[not new guy]

Many clubs require NRA membership. What they should be doing is requiring GOAL membership and recommending donating to COMM2A, GOA, etc to hall preserve what little rights you have left.

No idea why they don’t. Most active gun owners need a club and fork over hundreds annually. My club is hot to charge $50 for a late payment, send it to friggin GOAL for Christ sake then. It’s a couple of boxes of ammo.

What is GOAL going to do with the money? Lobby harder?

 

[pastera]

It's pretty clear that the authors had a real hard-on for standard capacity magazines, somehow believing they're "more dangerous" than actual firearms. They're trying to effectively ban ownership by restricting usage to the point of uselessness without running afoul of ex post facto.
These restrictions not only eliminate carry usage, but they also effectively eliminate their usage for in-home self-defense. I suspect that use case might be an avenue to attack this portion of the law.

Rereading 131M (c) seems that the language still allows prebans to come into Mass.
(C) Excludes prebans from the ban on "large capacity feeding devices" from (a) if on private property, a shooting range, gunsmith or if locked up in transport.

So as long as you lock them up, you can bring as many as you want into Mass since all of (a) is excluded which includes the ban on importation.

 

[sig shooter]

Many clubs require NRA membership. What they should be doing is requiring GOAL membership and recommending donating to COMM2A, GOA, etc to hall preserve what little rights you have left.

No idea why they don’t. Most active gun owners need a club and fork over hundreds annually. My club is hot to charge $50 for a late payment, send it to friggin GOAL for Christ sake then. It’s a couple of boxes of ammo.

NRA requires a 100% club membership in order for a range to be covered under their insurance.

 

[Mark from ?]

Dont get a domestic, don't get caught driving dirty with it in your vehicle and be aware of your surroundings at the range and your probably 99.9% fine.

This........Central/Western MA your likelyhood of success is high. 30 round mag dumps east of 495....not so sure.

 

[not new guy]

Rereading 131M (c) seems that the language still allows prebans to come into Mass.
(C) Excludes prebans from the ban on "large capacity feeding devices" from (a) if on private property, a shooting range, gunsmith or if locked up in transport.

So as long as you lock them up, you can bring as many as you want into Mass since all of (a) is excluded which includes the ban on importation.

Good luck explaining that to an out of state seller.