The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

kevin9 said:
I'll admit it's fuzzy/unclear, and I'd be glad to be wrong. The question is whether the phrase "... ; provided, that the large capacity feeding device is stored unloaded and secured in a locked container in accordance with1542 sections 131C and 131L." only applies to section (v) (i.e. transportation), or to all the sections (a-v) which would include on-premises possession.

The English is unclear because it follows a semicolon. If it followed a comma then it clearly would only apply to section (v), but because the sections are separated by semicolons one could interpret it as equal to and thus applying to all sections.

Also confusing the issue is the reference to 131L. 131C covers safe transportation. As far as I can tell nothing in 131L applies to transportation. If this prohibition was meant to only apply to section v then referencing 131C alone would have been sufficient. Referencing 131L appears to indicate an intent to apply the prohibition to all locations where possession is allowed (sections a a-v).

Again, I grant that it's unclear, and folks should do what their willing to be comfortable with, but I'm going to suggest that the intent of the legislature was to only allow such super-killy frighteningly large magazines to be unsecured and loaded when in actual, very limited "legal" use.
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I see your point. I have a note off to someone in the building who might be able to clarify from a textual perspective.
 
alan226 said:
Your post said than a temporary HPO triggered the LTC suspension.

Is this accurate?
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To the best of my knowledge, and from what I've seen roll through the offices.......

The only way that a "seizure" would be necessary is if a permanant order (usually one year with a follow up) is granted.

The temporary orders are a way of the court to say, "we are so backed up, show up on this date to say your peace..."
 
Beretta92FS said:
So just to be clear, is the consensus understanding that there is no legal requirement to FA10 a new firearm that a person assembles themselves, because the firearm was not purchased or obtained, but built ?
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No consensus. Before this law that was one of the bigger area up for discussion. One member posted here they were involved in a case where the court agreed a firearm assembled from a stripped receiver did not require the registration.
 
Gun stores have been slammed, selling so many guns, which is awesome. Giant FU to the shitbags that are discriminating against us and violating our rights. Realistically, many are buying stuff that they otherwise wouldn't be buying if it weren't for the fact that these unconstitutional regs are about to go into effect. I saw this back during the Bathhouse Barry years where we sold well over a YEARS worth of inventory in less than 2 weeks. So while they try to deter people from buying, the opposite happens and everyone racks up the purchases. Congrats, aholes. Meanwhile, FPC, NAGR, SAF, GOA, etc., are getting ready to take the commies to court. And at the end of the day, everyone is gonna keep on buying.
mr rogers middle finger GIF
 
lord_bacon said:
Was it signed with an emergency preamble or w/e it's called? I.e. is this law now "live" or in 90 days? I know the 8/1 date etc.. is "hard coded" into the bill, just curious about the official "go-live" of this monstrosity ?

Edit: Unsure if there is even a way to determine this easily
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Unknown; TV news didn’t say.
The bill tracker hasn’t updated:

Bill H.4885

malegislature.gov malegislature.gov
An emergency preamble would usually show up there.
 
xero2099 said:
good question i thought only way for 8/1 was preamble but who knows
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No the date is hard coded but come 90 days after today, anything not grandfathered by 8/1 would be illegal. If there was no date, the grandfather date would likely be the effective date in 90 days.

The preamble is a huge issue because then it’s effective today, which means the new feature test is effective today and damn near everything fails so nothing would be lawful on 8/1.
 
JFR2 said:
No mention of the new ability to purchase ammo with an EBT card....

-JR
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That's actually real?!
[banghead]
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I'm not going to lie, I've been down in Florida for a while for work/family time so I've not paid any attention (and if I am being honest, my password for this site was stored in a vault that I don't have access to unless I am back up here ... was nice to escape reality for a bit tho).
 
lord_bacon said:
That's actually real?!
[banghead]
.

I'm not going to lie, I've been down in Florida for a while for work/family time so I've not paid any attention (and if I am being honest, my password for this site was stored in a vault that I don't have access to unless I am back up here ... was nice to escape reality for a bit tho).
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It's Section 3 in the new bill. I don't think it let's people buy ammo with an EBT card, but rather let's stores that sell ammo accept EBT for approved purposes (which does not include ammo, they did not change that for buyers).

(Chapter 18 5J relates to sellers, 5I to purchases with EBT).
 
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teej1074 said:
It's Section 3 in the new bill. I don't think it let's people buy ammo with an EBT card, but rather let's stores that sell ammo accept EBT for approved purposes (Chapter 18 5J relates to sellers, 5I to purchases with EBT).
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Homies with the ratatat switchy Glocks... dem Glocks need to be fed too.
 
JFR2 said:
Oh, it will be enforced when you drop a scumbag in your house, unfortunately.

-JR
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Not in that instance. An "unlawful magazine transfer" is the equivalent of 2 ships passing in the night. Nobody will detect it unless it was documented somehow. There's a lot of that crap.in this law.
 
The law is unconstitutional at best and a deliberate act of tyranny at its worst.

Laws that specifically target law abiding citizens to automatically make them criminals can only have been construed and written by the descendants of Hitler.

The liberal democrats are terrorists using our government’s processes to overthrow the country.

If this is challenged hopefully it moves through to SCOTUS where it is acknowledged for what it is and overturned.

In addition to that, the authors of this pos and supporters of this law should be tried for treason, convicted and put in prison for life.
 
teej1074 said:
It's Section 3 in the new bill. I don't think it let's people buy ammo with an EBT card, but rather let's stores that sell ammo accept EBT for approved purposes (Chapter 18 5J relates to sellers, 5I to purchases with EBT).
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Simply amazing.

Honestly, time to buckle up this is going to be a long process but I think (in my unprofessional legal opinion) this bill passing as is, is so draconian that it's going to get the crap kicked out of it in the courts. Of course, the downside is that will take time, and it makes 2024 even more important so that the court is not stacked against us by the time it gets there).

One beacon of hope is that there are several high profile cases ahead of us which could set new precedence and weaken this bill, but who knows if that will help long term as this entire bill is a tantrum over Bruen.

TLDR - it's a long game, and I'm not gonna shid my pants with this many unknowns which we may never get clarity for years (or ever).
 

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