The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Gidge]

Heller/Bruen decisions come down from SCOTUS and MA gives SCOTUS the middle digit.

Time to step up my plans to GTFO and move to a free state.

What can/can't I do after 8/1/24 ? Do I need to invest in primitive firearms ?

 

[DJBrad]

Am I understanding this correctly. As of 8/1/24. Because there is no long gun/shotgun roster. And all semi-autos are n jeopardy Does this mean none can be sold until there is one?

That’s the way the law reads. No more “shotguns, handguns, rifles, etc”. All are now “firearms” and all are now required to follow the “firearm” roster list.


Isn’t that some funny shit?


You may still be able to buy a long gun out of state but maybe not.

 

[71montess]

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[Uzi2]

I get that part of it and I have had friends that went through the wringer (and one on on multiple occasions) but in most cases gun charges are a lot more boring than that while still being considerably legally perilous. The point I was trying to make is criminal charges that have convoluted series of requirements are not optimal for shitty governments trying tto
screw people. Like even when tthey screwed MTBS guy, they didnt come up with fancy shit for that. they had about 14 charges they applied on that guy, but they were all very basic
things. like 12 got dropped, which shows you how bogus the whole case was. They ended up getting him on a "silencer" or some bs and unlawful discharge within X feet of a
dwelling.

So yes, they could still screw you some other way. But in the reference to this bill, THAT situation is unchanged.

You know, you're always quick to give bogus advice to other people in cases where you have no jeopardy.

When the day arrives that it's your ass in the wringer, I hope you take all your own bullshit advice.

 

[drgrant]

You know, you're always quick to give bogus advice to other people in cases where you have no jeopardy.

When the day arrives that it's your ass in the wringer, I hope you take all your own bullshit advice.

I'm not giving anyone advice here, just an opinion about how I think certain parts of this law won't really functionally matter.

That doesnt invalidate your experiences. Or invalidate someone "generically" being screwed by the f***ery in mass. Something that was possible long before this pile of shit came along.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Tommy, deaf, dumb and blind.

He sure played a mean pinball. Do you?

 

[xero2099]

That’s the way the law reads. No more “shotguns, handguns, rifles, etc”. All are now “firearms” and all are now required to follow the “firearm” roster list.


Isn’t that some funny shit?


You may still be able to buy a long gun out of state but maybe not.

id think even the most anti 2A judge would put an injunction on it if it effectively stops all firearm sales until new roster/testing is up and running

 

[Taipan01]

Used to, but I've lost my crazy flipper finger long ago.

 

[Brandonlee333]

So my wife is waiting for her license to come in and wont be able to buy her ccw she wants in time so would i be able to buy it now and transfer it to her name after this bill is passed or would that be considered illegal now?

 

[Uzi2]

I'm not giving anyone advice here, just an opinion about how I think certain parts of this law won't really functionally matter.

That doesnt invalidate your experiences. Or invalidate someone "generically" being screwed by the f***ery in mass. Something that was possible long before this pile of shit came along.

Inexperienced, uneducated, people put a lot of credence in people's opinions, they develop a mindset that THEY TOO will escape the sledge hammer of the eager asshat cop who's "authauritaaaaae" they disrespected in some simple situation.

My long standing and continuous advice and opinion is and has been, for people to move out of the police state of Massachusetts to avoid the potential government funded gang bang that will eventually be perpetrated against them.

Trying to forever weasel one's way through the never ending swamp of laws that Massachusetts continues to expand, one will eventually end up finding that one deep mud hole (shithead cop) that one cannot be pulled out of easily or cheaply.

 

[nm1]

That’s the way the law reads. No more “shotguns, handguns, rifles, etc”. All are now “firearms” and all are now required to follow the “firearm” roster list.


Isn’t that some funny shit?


You may still be able to buy a long gun out of state but maybe not.

Except the law won’t go into effect util 90 days from now (end of October), it’s still old rules until then.

Except now there’s legally perilous backdating for AWB rules - if you buy a new (post 8/1 re-stock) 18” ban compliant Tavor after 8/1 (which passes even the most stringent reading of the MA/Healey edict), in October when the law goes into effect it will fail the new rules and it won’t be grandfathered and will be illegal.

 

[sieveboy]

So my wife is waiting for her license to come in and wont be able to buy her ccw she wants in time so would i be able to buy it now and transfer it to her name after this bill is passed or would that be considered illegal now?

I can’t see how any of this would affect buying a handgun available today versus buying the same handgun after August 1…. or you buying the handgun and legally transferring it LTC to LTC on the portal as required once she has her LTC in hand.

 

[MAJoe]

So my wife is waiting for her license to come in and wont be able to buy her ccw she wants in time so would i be able to buy it now and transfer it to her name after this bill is passed or would that be considered illegal now?

No, that’s a straw purchase and a felony at the federal level.

She has 90 days from yesterday to buy something that’s “off roster”. Otherwise the roster will determine what she can buy after.

 

[Marty McFly]

No, that’s a straw purchase and a felony at the federal level.

She has 90 days from yesterday to buy something that’s “off roster”. Otherwise the roster will determine what she can buy after.

Kind of a stretch for straw purchase. You've never gifted a gun?

 

[sieveboy]

No, that’s a straw purchase and a felony at the federal level.

Please explain how a legally obtained handgun purchased in MA by a MA LTC with a 4473, NICS check, and eFA-10, and later transferred to another properly MA licensed LTC holder using the MA-mandated eFA-10 system is a straw purchase? What am I missing?

 

[Night_solstice]

Kind of a stretch for straw purchase. You've never gifted a gun?

Regardless, nothing in the writting changes FTF transfers.....

 

[JJP0618]

No, that’s a straw purchase and a felony at the federal level.

She has 90 days from yesterday to buy something that’s “off roster”. Otherwise the roster will determine what she can buy after.

This is why nothing changes in MA

 

[Amputee Marksman]

So my wife is waiting for her license to come in and wont be able to buy her ccw she wants in time so would i be able to buy it now and transfer it to her name after this bill is passed or would that be considered illegal now?

IANAL. My wife got her LTC around 10 years ago. I knew what she wanted for a pistol so when she called me all excited about getting the LTC I stopped at the local gun store and picked it up for her. Went home and gave it to her. She loved it. Never did a transfer. It is still in my name. Just saying.

 

[Tallahassee]

Kind of a stretch for straw purchase. You've never gifted a gun?

Gift a weapon of destruction? Are you crazy?

 

[Marty McFly]

Gift a weapon of destruction? Are you crazy?

I like my presents like I like my women. High capacity. Wait.

 

[MAJoe]

Please explain how a legally obtained handgun purchased in MA by a MA LTC with a 4473, NICS check, and eFA-10, and later transferred to another properly MA licensed LTC holder using the MA-mandated eFA-10 system is a straw purchase? What am I missing?

None of that matters. He didn’t say it was a gift. Straw purchase doesn’t care if it has a background check or if the person is a PP.

If he selects not the purchaser on the 4473 and it’s not a gift…

 

[CrackPot]

Section 121B says “shall be registered” - is this a section in the new bill speaking of future “registration “? If so, stripped lowers within your possession before 8/1/24 would not need any “registration”/FA 10, correct? Yes, I already know stripped lowers don’t need any FA10 entries, but should we build it out before 8/1/24 and then put it in the FA 10 that we currently have? I even heard that if you build your own, you don’t need to put it in the FA10 system.

registered in accordance with 121B. 121B does not take effect until the state implements the registration system defined in 121B and they have up to one year to do this. THEN you have an additional year to actually register your guns.

NOTHING you do now is "registration" as mentioned in this section but registration as defined in the new law under 121B

 

[silen7ce]

Pretty sure the 4473 is pretty clear on this…

 

[LuvDog]

None of that matters. He didn’t say it was a gift. Straw purchase doesn’t care if it has a background check or if the person is a PP.

If he selects not the purchaser on the 4473 and it’s not a gift…

he said he was going to transfer it to her which I interpret as he is going to FA10 it to her

That is perfectly legal

 

[MFSP101]

IANAL. My wife got her LTC around 10 years ago. I knew what she wanted for a pistol so when she called me all excited about getting the LTC I stopped at the local gun store and picked it up for her. Went home and gave it to her. She loved it. Never did a transfer. It is still in my name. Just saying.

Yes that works. But isn’t it now you cant lend someone a gun. Wasn’t there something about it had to be transferred?

 

[SS1]

You can run but you can’t hide from this. If/when Kamala is president it will be nation wide anyway

There is an America outside of the borders of the Commonwealth of massachusetts
You should visit it sometime

 

[whatluck]

So my wife is waiting for her license to come in and wont be able to buy her ccw she wants in time so would i be able to buy it now and transfer it to her name after this bill is passed or would that be considered illegal now?

You can buy it now and loan it to her. It's your gun, she just uses it sometimes.

 

[whatluck]

There is an America outside of the borders of the Commonwealth of massachusetts
You should visit it sometime

I met my local sheriff and he told me he will not enforce unconstitutional federal gun laws, and if the feds show up and try to enforce them for me to call and he will come and arrest them all.

You may be able to come into my holler and start some shit, but to get back out you'd need a Blackhawk Down style extraction.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

Yes that works. But isn’t it now you cant lend someone a gun. Wasn’t there something about it had to be transferred?

Probably, that gun happens to be a safe queen these days. My wife's EDC is in my name however if that will be a problem then I will xfer it to her. They already know about her EDC. Bought from Sig, shipped to a MA FFL. 4473, background check and eFA10.

 

[Gunowner80]

registered in accordance with 121B. 121B does not take effect until the state implements the registration system defined in 121B and they have up to one year to do this. THEN you have an additional year to actually register your guns.

NOTHING you do now is "registration" as mentioned in this section but registration as defined in the new law under 121B

On board with you here.