The Conference Committee has sent official language out - h.4885

[Marty McFly]

Sounds like my weekends. I'm fine with this.

A Thai basket is not a Faraday cage bucko

 

[Waher]

Cut the cord off an old microwave = it is now a faraday cage for small electronics with the door closed.

 

[Flint]

Cut the cord off an old microwave = it is now a faraday cage for small electronics with the door closed.

You ever have someone call you while your phone is in the microwave? Try it.

 

[Night_solstice]

Can you get him into a class this week, prior to August? That's what I'd try to do.

Even if its in August. My wife and MIL took their course (with live fire) and when they called this week to a schedule their appt for their LTC, the officer said 'Let get you in on Tuesday' so they both get seen next week.

 

[Foudre]

View: https://youtu.be/oneSFf0RPis?si=Lbl3f4O9AeN7N6sZ

There is no harm in participating in this, even if some people think it is futile.

 

[Cavy]

Sadly, nothing that fits into any of our schedules

Gun parlor, cape gun works, mass firearms school.

 

[DarthRevan]

Learned that lesson a long time ago.

It was a generic you, not a directed at you you.
You know what I mean? You?

 

[Gasgunner]

I think just a few pages back, someone indicated that a new gun you yourself build on a stripped lower is neither “purchased or obtained”, and hence it’s no legal requirement to FA10 such a gun. I’d love to explore that topic a little deeper.

You’re missing a subtle but important difference. If you have a stripped lower with a manufacturers info and serial number on it, you are not building it, you are assembling it. Stripped lowers are not firearms in MA. Purchase requires a 4473 but not an FA10. Once you assemble that lower and upper, and it can discharge a round, you are required to submit an FA10 within 7 days. The state can’t prove when that happened, and technically, if you un-pin the upper and remove it, it isn’t even a firearm anymore (in Mass) and there’s no way to prove you ever finished assembling it.

What you read refers to building a firearm. You started with an unfinished receiver (an 80% receiver) or constructed one from scratch and built a functioning firearm. Homebuilt firearms are not required to be serialized (federal or state) and there is no requirement to FA10 one because it was “neither purchased or obtained”.

This is all past tense. How it worked prior to the new bill.

 

[Bodhisattva]

I like my presents like I like my women. High capacity. Wait.

So you like them Canton women?

 

[Marty McFly]

So you like them Canton women?

Depends. Is it pronounced cant-on on can-ton?

 

[Marty McFly]

I love reading the for sale titles now. Get it now! We didn't want it on the other 40 bumps

 

[DJBrad]

I love reading the for sale titles now. Get it now! We didn't want it on the other 40 bumps

The best ones are the gun parts. “Get it before Aug 1st!”

You can still buy as many gun parts online as you like.

 

[MAJoe]

Question on training that is unclear to me. My son wants his LTC. Will current training programs still be accepted after 08/01 until the law takes effect on Oct 23 (?) or will he need to take the new program that is to be developed by MSP, which we know has not been funded and will most likely never happen

I believe he’ll need to have it prior to the live fire training being rolled out.

Persons lawfully possessing a firearm identification card or license to carry firearms on August 1, 2024, shall be exempt from this section upon expiration of such card or license and when applying for renewal of such licensure as required under this chapter; provided, however, that persons possessing a firearms identification card or license to carry firearms prior to the implementation of live firearms trainings as required in this section shall also be exempt from such requirement.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

So you like them Canton women?

Dude, wakeup! You need to jump over to Stoughton for the real action.

 

[pastera]

Even if it doesn’t pass because the leftist retards in beantown, I want to show the tally for our town/area and shove it down the Reps mouth that voted the party line instead of their constituents with calls, emails, and STOP HD4422 lawn signs.

It doesn't need to pass in order to delay the process - if it's forced to the ballot then no part of the bill can be enacted until after the election.
The question then becomes whether a Mass court will deny standing because the bill "could" be struck down by voters.

 

[pastera]

So my wife is waiting for her license to come in and wont be able to buy her ccw she wants in time so would i be able to buy it now and transfer it to her name after this bill is passed or would that be considered illegal now?

Yes you can buy it - no real need to transfer it. We don't have approved serial numbers for carry on our LTC.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It doesn't need to pass in order to delay the process - if it's forced to the ballot then no part of the bill can be enacted until after the election.
The question then becomes whether a Mass court will deny standing because the bill "could" be struck down by voters.

Plesae explain your reasoning?

How does putting a referendum question on the ballot change any laws, or legality of enforcing them, before a vote is even taken?

Were contractors permitted to pay their non-union employees on public works projects less than the prevailing union wage while the referendum to repail the prevailing wage law was on the ballot?

 

[Atlantis]

sadly this ^

No carrying them anymore. So the long running newb question of can I put a pre ban in a post ban gun (out in the wild) is NO.

Just in case anyone is unclear… the mags will continue to fit in the mag wells. You absolutely CAN put a preban mag in any gun that accepts said magazine. The law can do nothing to stop that fact. You also can’t magically wish your 10rd magazine into having 5 extra rounds in a time of need.

So to the original question, if you have for example, a U notch that doesn’t drop free, and a square notch that drops like butter, letter of the law says they are the same (illegal). Do with that what you will.

 

[pastera]

registered in accordance with 121B. 121B does not take effect until the state implements the registration system defined in 121B and they have up to one year to do this. THEN you have an additional year to actually register your guns.

NOTHING you do now is "registration" as mentioned in this section but registration as defined in the new law under 121B

While I agree that there will be a registration system in the future where all guns you possess must have an entry registering it to you, the language of the now law, specifically calls out the existence of registrations for the 7/20/16 ASW exemption. The language is there therefore the courts will interpret the current data as a registration through plain reading legislative intent.
How the registry is eventually implemented is unknown but it's simply foolish to think that the state will just toss decades of data - especially since they know that a very significant number of people will not comply simply because they have no clue the laws have changed.

 

[JDL]

Question on training that is unclear to me. My son wants his LTC. Will current training programs still be accepted after 08/01 until the law takes effect on Oct 23 (?) or will he need to take the new program that is to be developed by MSP, which we know has not been funded and will most likely never happen

Great question. I want my grandson to get his LTC-c (FID) he is 20 years old and we were going to wait until he was 21 in 7 month and apply for an LTC-A. I ran him through the current class two days ago and have contacted the licensing officer in our town by the prescribed email method to schedule an interview. We have heard nothing. As far as the text in the new law is it states LTC's that are all ready in the mail prior to 08/01/2024 are OK all others will have to take the new training. The new training program has not been developed yet so it looks as though all new LTC's will be on hold untill the new training program is available. This dosent affect renewals. So the way this law is written all new LTC's are on hold indefinitely untill the new training program and the new certified training instructors are trained and certified. None of this is outlined in the new law except no more LTC's will be issued untill the new training is available and everything is in place.

 

[pastera]

Plesae explain your reasoning?

How does putting a referendum question on the ballot change any laws, or legality of enforcing them, before a vote is even taken?

Were contractors permitted to pay their non-union employees on public works projects less than the prevailing union wage while the referendum to repail the prevailing wage law was on the ballot?

Referendum to repeal a newly passed law (within 30 days) is a different animal all together.
But I can't find the regulations from my phone so I can only go by GOAL'S assertion here.

 

[JDL]

Can you get him into a class this week, prior to August? That's what I'd try to do.

As far as the way the law is written it won't matter the only LTC's are the ones currently in the mail prior to 08/01/2024 all others will have to take the new training. This is the way the law is written. So it looks as though all new LTC's are suspended indefinitely untill the new training program is available

 

[Atlantis]

While I agree that there will be a registration system in the future where all guns you possess must have an entry registering it to you, the language of the now law, specifically calls out the existence of registrations for the 7/20/16 ASW exemption. The language is there therefore the courts will interpret the current data as a registration through plain reading legislative intent.
How the registry is eventually implemented is unknown but it's simply foolish to think that the state will just toss decades of data - especially since they know that a very significant number of people will not comply simply because they have no clue the laws have changed.

This is wrong. The language calls out sections that refer to new language. Language that can not be retroactively applied. It’s to cover bases like “not serializing your pre 8/1 80% build” or “not registering your pre 8/1 ASW because it’s grandfathered”.

It is exclusively describing the need to comply with registration and serialization laws, if you do not, then they can/will tack on the ASW charges on top of your failure to register.

You and I both know the state will argue against the citizens. The doesn’t make their argument right. Just because they COULD make the argument doesn’t mean that’s what the law actually says. Stop fear mongering.

 

[pastera]

i am sorry, i stopped paying attention to what was posted here.

the law is signed, i got that much. are all rem700 barreled actions now also in class of prohibited nopersons that cannot be xferred into this damn state, or is there still some time?

i will not be able to do anything before aug 1st, best bet will be the end of august or september - will it be too late at that point?

700 is a bolt action - zero bans on possession or private transfer.
The issue is that it isn't on the approved firearms roster so a dealer can't transfer it to you.

 

[whatluck]

I'm a felon don't you know,
It's cause my firearm purchase show!
Gov'ner Healey follows my purchases,
Everywhere I go!

I'm a felon, He's a felon,
She's a felon, We're a felon,
Wouldn't you like to be a felon too?

can we put a beat to this? who has reason or FL? also anyone with vox experience pls step forward

i volunteer to do the mastering and post

 

[Picton]

As far as the way the law is written it won't matter the only LTC's are the ones currently in the mail prior to 08/01/2024 all others will have to take the new training. This is the way the law is written. So it looks as though all new LTC's are suspended indefinitely untill the new training program is available

So... the only legal way a citizen can exercise a constitutional right is "suspended indefinitely."

Yeah............ IANAL, but I think the legal term for that is "that's f***ed up."

 

[whatluck]

You ever have someone call you while your phone is in the microwave? Try it.

what power setting should I use? popcorn? defrost?

 

[whatluck]

Depends. Is it pronounced cant-on on can-ton?

i say see anton

 

[Gasgunner]

can we put a beat to this? who has reason or FL? also anyone with vox experience pls step forward

i volunteer to do the mastering and post

It’s the old DrPepper jingle.

 

[Woodsloafer]

The best ones are the gun parts. “Get it before Aug 1st!”

You can still buy as many gun parts online as you like.

I was hoping something good would pop out of the woodwork and be listed (on here or on Armslist) by someone selling to finance buying guns on the verge of being verboten, but nothing. Overall pretty boring with much stupid thrown in so far but I'll continue to keep my eye out.