Ultimate SHTF rifle???

[dcmdon]

Lets not forget exercise. There are some many people overweight with knee problems and other problems that in their mind think they will be able to carry 70lbs because 30 years ago they could. It is laughable how delusional a lot of the SHTF crowd are.

I used to be in a FB prepping group and all these people would be debating what the contents of their get home bag (GHB) should contain. But if you clicked on their profile, you saw that they were some fat turd who would die if they had to walk 10 miles with nothing on their back and 3 miles with 20# on their back.

As an older guy, I consider physical fitness to be the best deal in preparedness there is. It's free, but time consuming. But it pays dividends in quality of life.

8 years ago I started wearing a pack when I walked my daughters to school. At first it was 10 lbs. The 20, etc. Within 6 months I was walking them to school, round trip about 1.2 miles on flat terrain, with 45 pounds on my back. I didn't use a waist. belt because I wanted to work and strengthen my back and shoulders.

If I'm taking my dog for a 3 mile easy hike in the woods, I now do it with between 25 and 35 pounds. It turns a walk into a real workout.

I've been doing CrossFit for the last 3 years. It's not stupid like it was 10 years ago. If you have ever been curious check it out. Or I'd be happy to discuss.

Our workout today is

500 m row
50 box jumps or step ups
40 Russian kettle bell swings
1000 m row
40 box jumps
30 kettle bell swings
1500 m row
30 box jumps
20 kettle bell swings.

Tuesday was a strength day with deadlifts and rowing.
My entire posterior chain was tired yesterday so I just went for a walk in the woods with my dog with 25# in my pack.

You can modify to adjust to your level of fitness. Decrease the row distance. Set your jump/step up height based on your age and fitness. Adjust kettle bell weight for your fitness.
ANYONE can do this. And a workout like this will also benefit even the fittest person.

I am in my 50s and have a prosthetic hip. If I can do it, anyone can.

 

[PappyM3]

I like .223. It's light enough to carry thousands of rounds easily in a car. Or hundreds on your back.

My long reloads with 75 gr ELD bullets can be single loaded into an AR for long distance work and are still supersonic at 800 yards. Good for close, good for reasonably far.
I'd much rather have a .223 with 500 of my precision reloads and the balance of 100 lbs of ammo than 100 lbs of .308.

If I was limited to only 1 rifle, I'd have a spare lower parts kit and a spare bolt carrier group with 2 parts kits for the bolt.

Re reliability. I've never had stoppage problems with an AR if it was reasonably lubed. Dirty and wet runs fine. Dirty and dry you start to lose margin.

I do like the ELD-M bullets, but I’d consider loading 77 TMK instead of 75 ELD. You’d be supersonic to only ~700, but don’t have to worry about single feeding them. And 77 TMKs have great terminal performance in tissue. Or 73 ELDs which would be mag length and should get you supersonic to 750.

Though, the 75 ELDs do save you about 20% of wind call out at mid-range.

 

[AJK129]

I used to be in a FB prepping group and all these people would be debating what the contents of their get home bag (GHB) should contain. But if you clicked on their profile, you saw that they were some fat turd who would die if they had to walk 10 miles with nothing on their back and 3 miles with 20# on their back.

As an older guy, I consider physical fitness to be the best deal in preparedness there is. It's free, but time consuming. But it pays dividends in quality of life.

8 years ago I started wearing a pack when I walked my daughters to school. At first it was 10 lbs. The 20, etc. Within 6 months I was walking them to school, round trip about 1.2 miles on flat terrain, with 45 pounds on my back. I didn't use a waist. belt because I wanted to work and strengthen my back and shoulders.

If I'm taking my dog for a 3 mile easy hike in the woods, I now do it with between 25 and 35 pounds. It turns a walk into a real workout.

I've been doing CrossFit for the last 3 years. It's not stupid like it was 10 years ago. If you have ever been curious check it out. Or I'd be happy to discuss.

Our workout today is

500 m row
50 box jumps or step ups
40 Russian kettle bell swings
1000 m row
40 box jumps
30 kettle bell swings
1500 m row
30 box jumps
20 kettle bell swings.

You can modify to adjust to your level of fitness. Decrease the row distance. Set your jump/step up height based on your age and fitness. Adjust kettle bell weight for your fitness.
ANYONE can do this. And a workout like this will also benefit even the fittest person.

I am in my 50s and have a prosthetic hip. If I can do it, anyone can.

OK but whens the workout start?

 

[dcmdon]

I do like the ELD-M bullets, but I’d consider loading 77 TMK instead of 75 ELD. You’d be supersonic to only ~700, but don’t have to worry about single feeding them. Or 73 ELDs which would be mag length and should get you supersonic to 750.

Though, the 75 ELDs do save you about 20% of wind call out at mid-range.

That makes great sense. If I was actually reloading for SHTF, I'd probably try to figure out the longest range .223 I could make that would still load from a mag. But as it is, I've got some of this stuff.

They are LOONNNG. This is a 75gr A-Max loaded .010 off the lands of my bolt gun. I would still need to shorten up this load even for single fed AR use. But it's pretty startling how much longer they are than SAAMI length or military ammo. They fit with room to spare in a MDT polymer AICS 223 mag.

 

[dcmdon]

OK but whens the workout start?

I'm going at noon. So I've got to get off. I'm procrastinating on this forum because at heart I'm a lazy F$#K. Ha.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

Don't forget all the meds. Realistically, how many people can survive a few weeks without whatever meds they are taking?

Lets not forget exercise. There are some many people overweight with knee problems and other problems that in their mind think they will be able to carry 70lbs because 30 years ago they could. It is laughable how delusional a lot of the SHTF crowd are.

Finally, where will they go? ... LOL

Dude post physique

 

[dcmdon]

Dude post physique

Some of us are old and love food. So even though we work out a lot, we don't actually look that good. Ha. At least that's the case for me.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

Some of us are old and love food. So even though we work out a lot, we don't actually look that good. Ha. At least that's the case for me.

Me too tbh, last time i posted physique @Tallahassee fat shamed me in my own thread.

 

[dcmdon]

Me too tbh, last time i posted physique @talfat shamed me in my own thread.

Yup. But I can run a 9 min mile for 5 miles, and haul my ass over a wall if I need to. Practical stuff is what matters.

 

[dcmdon]

A friend of mine goes to a CrossFit gym in NH where they have a sign on the wall that says something like,

Changing the meaning of OFWG (Old Fat White Guy) to something new (Old Fit White Guy) one person at a time.

 

[PappyM3]

Dude post physique

Every time I see post physique on the forum, I think “post-physique”. I think of veterans who get out of shape as soon as they leave active duty.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Dude post physique

I don't share pics of myself on gun forums.
Kinda defeats the purpose of having a SN.

But I am not a fat slob.

 

[Picton]

It doesn't get much easier than pushing a pin from left to right and taking the BCG out.

Yeah. I was taught I had to do a lot more than that, and it was enforced brutally. I learned well. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

No thanks. I prefer other options.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

If you think all you need is a battle rifle and 5000 rounds and you're gonna run off to the woods with your wife and kids in f***ing suburban Massachusetts i got news for you.

I happen to live in RURAL Massachusetts, thank you very much.
As for the wife and daughter living in the woods, they consider a Holiday Inn Express "roughing it".

 

[AllaSnackbah]

I don't share pics of myself on gun forums.
Kinda defeats the purpose of having a SN.

But I am not a fat slob.

I mean even with my loose opsec, even erpo dave couldnt track me down when he was trying to report me to my agency for not loving ukraine.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

Yeah. I was taught I had to do a lot more than that, and it was enforced brutally. I learned well. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

No thanks. I prefer other options.

Enter me, hosing out my upper with brake cleaner, putting a chamber brush on a cleaning rod, chucking it into a dewalt drill and blasting out the chamber for 6 seconds, throwing my bcg into a sonic cleaner for 20 minutes, 2-3 bore snake pulls, redouching in oil and sending it for another 1500 rounds.

What do you do when you shoot out a barrel?

 

[Fritz the Cat]

I used to be in a FB prepping group and all these people would be debating what the contents of their get home bag (GHB) should contain. But if you clicked on their profile, you saw that they were some fat turd who would die if they had to walk 10 miles with nothing on their back and 3 miles with 20# on their back.

As an older guy, I consider physical fitness to be the best deal in preparedness there is. It's free, but time consuming. But it pays dividends in quality of life.

8 years ago I started wearing a pack when I walked my daughters to school. At first it was 10 lbs. The 20, etc. Within 6 months I was walking them to school, round trip about 1.2 miles on flat terrain, with 45 pounds on my back. I didn't use a waist. belt because I wanted to work and strengthen my back and shoulders.

If I'm taking my dog for a 3 mile easy hike in the woods, I now do it with between 25 and 35 pounds. It turns a walk into a real workout.

I've been doing CrossFit for the last 3 years. It's not stupid like it was 10 years ago. If you have ever been curious check it out. Or I'd be happy to discuss.

Our workout today is

500 m row
50 box jumps or step ups
40 Russian kettle bell swings
1000 m row
40 box jumps
30 kettle bell swings
1500 m row
30 box jumps
20 kettle bell swings.

Tuesday was a strength day with deadlifts and rowing.
My entire posterior chain was tired yesterday so I just went for a walk in the woods with my dog with 25# in my pack.

You can modify to adjust to your level of fitness. Decrease the row distance. Set your jump/step up height based on your age and fitness. Adjust kettle bell weight for your fitness.
ANYONE can do this. And a workout like this will also benefit even the fittest person.

I am in my 50s and have a prosthetic hip. If I can do it, anyone can.

So your shtf scenario involves rowing to Maine?

 

[AllaSnackbah]

So your shtf scenario involves rowing to Maine?

Yours doesn't?

 

[Broc Tuah]

So your shtf scenario involves rowing to Maine?

Mine includes driving into Boston to steal a boat.

Some here will get the reference.

 

[Dench]

Dude post physique

He's admitted to using elipitcals. That's all we need to know about his "fitness" routine.

Using an elliptical is like showing up for a fight with sandals on.

 

[Broc Tuah]

He's admitted to using elipitcals. That's all we need to know about his "fitness" routine.

Using an elliptical is like showing up for a fight with sandals on.

I did show up to a NES shoot with flip flops.
Can still shoot better than most.

Haters gonna hate.

But don't worry, I am planning on matching your style and buying white NB shoes.

 

[Dench]

But don't worry, I am planning on matching your style and buying white NB shoes.

that ones over my head.

 

[dcmdon]

He's admitted to using elipitcals. That's all we need to know about his "fitness" routine.

Using an elliptical is like showing up for a fight with sandals on.

I used to shoot IDPA matches in Birkenstocks with socks. Whatever the standard 2 strap sandal "Arizona" is, but with a back strap.

You need a back strap, otherwise you step out of the sandal when you are walking backwards. Ask me how I know. ha.

So your shtf scenario involves rowing to Maine?

No. The rowing is just so I can work all the pulling parts at once.

Enter me, hosing out my upper with brake cleaner, putting a chamber brush on a cleaning rod, chucking it into a dewalt drill and blasting out the chamber for 6 seconds, throwing my bcg into a sonic cleaner for 20 minutes, 2-3 bore snake pulls, redouching in oil and sending it for another 1500 rounds.

What do you do when you shoot out a barrel?

I mentioned this in another thread. hopefully it wasn't earlier in this thread, but I had an ex military guy tell me to make one of these. See attached pic. It's a quick and dirty dedicated chamber cleaning tool. You locktite the brush into the rod so you can spin it to get all the crap out of it. Or if you don't have loctite, you mess up the threads on the brush before you screw it into the rod.

IMHO, and I have no military experience. I'm just a gun nut who has done some fairly high volume carbine classes. If the gun is kept lubed, it will run for thousands and thousands of rounds without a good cleaning. And if the chamber does start to get dirty, a 10 second swab with this tool with a patch wrapped around the brush will solve the problem.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

I mentioned this in another thread. hopefully it wasn't earlier in this thread, but I had an ex military guy tell me to make one of these. See attached pic. It's a quick and dirty dedicated chamber cleaning tool. You locktite the brush into the rod so you can spin it to get all the crap out of it. Or if you don't have loctite, you mess up the threads on the brush before you screw it into the rod.

This is what ive got, but i cut the bore part off so its just a star chamber brush, and i leave the cleaning rod straight. I chuck the other end of the rod in an electric drill and put it in from the rear of the upper receiver. While im running the drill i hit the brush with a few blasts of crc electrical parts degreaser. That cleans the chamber out so well you'd think it was factory new.

When i was in the guard any time theyd make us clean rifles after the stupid range id have everybody in the company bring their rifles to me and id hit each chamber like this, it easily cut our cleaning time in half.

 

[Dench]

The memes write themselves

 

[Fritz the Cat]

No. The rowing is just so I can work all the pulling parts at once.

Rowing is not much different than dragging dead bodies.

 

[Mountain]

Don't forget all the meds. Realistically, how many people can survive a few weeks without whatever meds they are taking?

Lets not forget exercise. There are some many people overweight with knee problems and other problems that in their mind think they will be able to carry 70lbs because 30 years ago they could. It is laughable how delusional a lot of the SHTF crowd are.

Finally, where will they go? ... LOL

If there ever was a SHTF event, I'll be on the front porch with a bag of popcorn. LOL why would I leave my house that has its own well and a generator? Am I doing it wrong and should I have some sort of plan to run away to the White Mountains?

 

[drgrant]

My main reason for non-preferring ARs has to do with maintenance: I do not enjoy cleaning them. I tend not to shoot guns that are harder to maintain; it's why my AKs and my G3 clone get so much range time. The Vz58 cleans easy, too.

On-topic, that would also affect my choice of what to bring with me when SHTF.

I don't get it. ARs are not that hard to clean and tolerate a fair amount of not cleaning. Let's not pretend we're talking about a 1911 here or something that basically will Jam if you look at it the wrong way.... I mean shit most ARS that are built correctly as long as the bolt carrier isn't completely crusty it'll keep working. Back when I had my Colt 6520 carbine I think I only clean that thing maybe a half a dozen times over many thousands of rounds put through it. The only stoppage I ever got out of that gun was from a bad magazine which was promptly thrown down range and shot it never jammed again after that. and I also own that back when I was a fag and cleaned my guns all the time nowadays that thing would be lucky to see one cleaning a year unless it was something that I had on deck for some specific purpose.

I find most of the fussing about cleaning on this site to be absurd so perhaps I'm a bit biased.

Also when it comes to the AR-15 there's a lot of stuff that people go retarded over that they don't really have to.... like the crust on the BCG tail, that basically doesn't impact anything at all. I don't find the guns anymore involved to clean than any other rifle. Yes, an AKM is faster, but not by leaps and bounds.

 

[Tartakovsky]

Gotcha, so no parts breakages? Bolt lugs etc? I am going to convert my 10.5" low to mid-tier upper I had on my MA friendly SBR into my training rifle so I'm not putting wear on my 12.5" BCM SHTF rifle. The 10.5" was overgassed to begin with, and I can imagine it will be even more so when i dremel off the stupid pin and weld linear comp and put a brake mount + can on it. I had to put the heaviest buffer i could find in it to get it ejecting at 90 degrees, so it's gonna be sending brass into low orbit with a suppressor on it lol. I don't want to have a bunch of pats breakages cause i am going to be shooting it in classes etc.

Are you still running a carbine spring? If you’re that overgassed, try a Springco red spring in it. The buffer is less important than the spring. I’ve never broken a lug and I have thousands of rounds on a number of my bolts.

 

[G4Y4HK]

I don't get it. ARs are not that hard to clean and tolerate a fair amount of not cleaning. Let's not pretend we're talking about a 1911 here or something that basically will Jam if you look at it the wrong way.... I mean shit most ARS that are built correctly as long as the bolt carrier isn't completely crusty it'll keep working. Back when I had my Colt 6520 carbine I think I only clean that thing maybe a half a dozen times over many thousands of rounds put through it. The only stoppage I ever got out of that gun was from a bad magazine which was promptly thrown down range and shot it never jammed again after that. and I also own that back when I was a fag and cleaned my guns all the time nowadays that thing would be lucky to see one cleaning a year unless it was something that I had on deck for some specific purpose.

I find most of the fussing about cleaning on this site to be absurd so perhaps I'm a bit biased.

Also when it comes to the AR-15 there's a lot of stuff that people go retarded over that they don't really have to.... like the crust on the BCG tail, that basically doesn't impact anything at all. I don't find the guns anymore involved to clean than any other rifle. Yes, an AKM is faster, but not by leaps and bounds.

Don't people have to take apart the AR bolt down to every little parts and bits to clean and then make sure the gas rings are evenly spaced? I'm doing it wrong then. After every range trip, just take out the whole BCG spray and wipe and put it back in a cleaned upper with a bore snake thru the barrel a few times and call it good till the next range trip. Will my rifle go kaboom?

Reminds me of the Subaru guys telling me if I don't replace the tranny fluid on my Crosstrek every 30k miles it will die lol.