Ultimate SHTF rifle???

drgrant said:
I don't get it. ARs are not that hard to clean and tolerate a fair amount of not cleaning.
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I know they're not hard to clean. I said I don't enjoy cleaning them.

It's fine; I'm not trying to make some sort of universal statement here. The AR is a good system with millions of users, and they're more than welcome to enjoy their rifle. I'm just not into it.
 
Mountain said:
If there ever was a SHTF event, I'll be on the front porch with a bag of popcorn. LOL why would I leave my house that has its own well and a generator? Am I doing it wrong and should I have some sort of plan to run away to the White Mountains?
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Running to the mountains would probably be worse. There will be thousands of idiots there.
 
G4Y4HK said:
Don't people have to take apart the AR bolt down to every little parts and bits to clean and then make sure the gas rings are evenly spaced? I'm doing it wrong then. After every range trip, just take out the whole BCG spray and wipe and put it back in a cleaned upper with a bore snake thru the barrel a few times and call it good till the next range trip. Will my rifle go kaboom?

Reminds me of the Subaru guys telling me if I don't replace the tranny fluid on my Crosstrek every 30k miles it will die lol.
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Don't go messing around with the gas rings and doing deep dives into over cleaning your BCG, that is so gay and retarded it's silly.

I mean you got some guys out there that dig into that shit after a hundred round range trip and a lot of times they fk it up.

I bought a cheap Toolcraft BCG for my Range rifle, it probably has several thousands of rounds on it after using it for years, all I've ever done is wipe the thing down and drench it in CLP and it runs flawlessly

I spent a lot of unnecessary money getting a bunch of DD and BCM BCG's for all my DD and BCM builds which I will never shoot out till they break.

Your not in the military and nobody is going to finger blast your rifle to see if it's inspection ready lol
 
Broc Tuah said:
Running to the mountains would probably be worse. There will be thousands of idiots there.
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Nightshift said:
Yes. And they will perish quickly.
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The only sensible way I could ever see it being a smart move going to the White Mountain region like North Conway would be say a week in advance with 2 cars loaded up with as much as you could take and the family if Russia and NATO started fighting and ultimatums were made to back off or nukes are on the table, if bullets between NATO and Russia start flying it would be probably be a minimum of a 2 weeks before it escalated to a nuclear event, it's not like they start pulling triggers then go right to pushing nuke buttons.

At that point you could be in a hotel somewhere up there waiting for it to escalate, that would buy you time to get out of the city or away from an area that would potentially get hit.

You would be buying time in that scenario and not get stuck in days worth of piled up gridlocks.
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
The only sensible way I could ever see it being a smart move going to the White Mountain region like North Conway would be say a week in advance with 2 cars loaded up with as much as you could take and the family if Russia and NATO started fighting and ultimatums were made to back off or nukes are on the table, if bullets between NATO and Russia start flying it would be probably be a minimum of a 2 weeks before it escalated to a nuclear event, it's not like they start pulling triggers then go right to pushing nuke buttons.

At that point you could be in a hotel somewhere up there waiting for it to escalate, that would buy you time to get out of the city or away from an area that would potentially get hit.

You would be buying time in that scenario and not get stuck in days worth of piled up gridlocks.
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Hotel, naw. Get a nice VRBO with great views, that’s owned by someone living in NYC. Chances are you’ll get to keep it after the apocalypse.
 
My 80 year old uncle lives in Winchester, MA and has two other homes in NH. If shit hits the fan, he ain’t making it to the first one, never mind the second one up in Waterville area. I could make it as I’m already in NH. It’s deep in the woods.
 
PappyM3 said:
Hotel, naw. Get a nice VRBO with great views, that’s owned by someone living in NYC. Chances are you’ll get to keep it after the apocalypse.
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I had this idea a couple years ago.

Some friends of ours live up in NH, in the boonies. Across the road from them is somebody's vacation home: nice place, fully furnished. Little small, but that's no biggie. They check in on it periodically, because the owner is only up there about one weekend a month. He's some sort of lawyer in Boston, or maybe NYC.

I figure it's a better-than-even chance that cottage is this lawyer's bug-out plan, but there's an even better chance he wouldn't be able to get to it. I know I can. So... yeah. That might happen. [wave]
 
Picton said:
I had this idea a couple years ago.

Some friends of ours live up in NH, in the boonies. Across the road from them is somebody's vacation home: nice place, fully furnished. Little small, but that's no biggie. They check in on it periodically, because the owner is only up there about one weekend a month. He's some sort of lawyer in Boston, or maybe NYC.

I figure it's a better-than-even chance that cottage is this lawyer's bug-out plan, but there's an even better chance he wouldn't be able to get to it. I know I can. So... yeah. That might happen. [wave]
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I join some friends at an awesome vrbo for the annual rifle matches at Camp Ethan Allen. It would otherwise make a perfect bug out haven to commandeer, but being a stone's throw from 10th Mountain and VT Guard is a question mark. Good thing or bad thing?
 
Mountain said:
I join some friends at an awesome vrbo for the annual rifle matches at Camp Ethan Allen. It would otherwise make a perfect bug out haven to commandeer, but being a stone's throw from 10th Mountain and VT Guard is a question mark. Good thing or bad thing?
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Probably less than ideal depending on how scorched earth a nuclear power wants to go.
 
DarthRevan said:
Probably less than ideal depending on how scorched earth a nuclear power wants to go.
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Maybe, maybe not. Our enemies don’t have enough readied warheads to target all of the best counterforce targets. Fort Drum/VT NG would be pretty low on the priority list of strategic counterforce targets.
 
Mountain said:
If there ever was a SHTF event, I'll be on the front porch with a bag of popcorn. LOL why would I leave my house that has its own well and a generator? Am I doing it wrong and should I have some sort of plan to run away to the White Mountains?
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You need to go up to the top of the presidential range where theres no water. Bring a combat loadout of 762x51 to fight all the other people up there.
 
Picton said:
I know they're not hard to clean. I said I don't enjoy cleaning them.

It's fine; I'm not trying to make some sort of universal statement here. The AR is a good system with millions of users, and they're more than welcome to enjoy their rifle. I'm just not into it.
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You enjoy cleaning any guns? I hate it lol.

AR15s are boring as f***, i enjoy shooting bolt guns, AKs, pump shotties, and pistols. AR15s are largely point and click.

But if i ever need to get in a gunfight, i want an ar15.
 
AllaSnackbah said:
This is what ive got, but i cut the bore part off so its just a star chamber brush, and i leave the cleaning rod straight. I chuck the other end of the rod in an electric drill and put it in from the rear of the upper receiver. While im running the drill i hit the brush with a few blasts of crc electrical parts degreaser. That cleans the chamber out so well you'd think it was factory new.

When i was in the guard any time theyd make us clean rifles after the stupid range id have everybody in the company bring their rifles to me and id hit each chamber like this, it easily cut our cleaning time in half.
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Straight rod chucked in a drill is the superior tool. Unless you don't have a drill. Then the bent rod is better because you can spin it by hand.

Keep a straight one n your tool box at home. Keep a bent one in your range bag.
 
So unless I've missed it. We've covered rifles in massive amounts.
But what about optics tied together with barrel lengths?

Example anything below a 10.5 barrel dot and magnifier
14.5 1x4 lvpo etc
 
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Tartakovsky said:
My 80 year old uncle lives in Winchester, MA and has two other homes in NH. If shit hits the fan, he ain’t making it to the first one, never mind the second one up in Waterville area. I could make it as I’m already in NH. It’s deep in the woods.
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I was talking to my nephew about if there was some societal collapse about how he would get to my parents’ house on lake winni 100 miles from MA. I told him he won’t be driving, even if in a situation where cars work, the traffic would be at a standstill and highways would be worthless. His best bet would be to try to bike or go on foot, and probably deal with people trying to take whatever he has on him.
 
TJ4 said:
I was talking to my nephew about if there was some societal collapse about how he would get to my parents’ house on lake winni 100 miles from MA. I told him he won’t be driving, even if in a situation where cars work, the traffic would be at a standstill and highways would be worthless. His best bet would be to try to bike or go on foot, and probably deal with people trying to take whatever he has on him.
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Those electric bikes are looking kind of appealing. Throw a solar cell connection on it so it can charge while not riding…
 

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