Ultimate SHTF rifle???

Broc Tuah said:
I am rethinking my SHTF loadout to just a knife and a handgun.

Half these idiots will either die due to lack of meds, die or be incapacitated from a heart attack trying to carry 90lbs (because "45 years ago I did it in the Military"), or shoot themselves by accidnet trying to load all their junk they never practice with.

I will just walk around and pick up a rifle and a few mags.
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Don't know about your town, but in mine, there is a shotgun and an AR in all three police vehicles. Good place to start looking if S truly HTF.
 
I have a lot of friends that live in western NC, both in the zone heavily impacted by the recent hurricane and also some a little farther west. I have heard from them and also watched a ton of "on the ground" videos of people that live there or were assisting with the rescue effort. Lots of open-carry pistols, ZERO rifles that I saw. That is a possible SHTF scenario, i.e. week/months or longer with no law and order, you're on your own, infrastructure devastated, etc. I have carried a rifle all day while trying to do farm-type work and it sucks. It's constantly in the way, heavy etc., and that was a 10.5" SBR with a LWRC UCIW stock/buffer tube combo. A pistol might be what you will realistically be carrying in the SHTF.
 
APFSDS said:
I have a lot of friends that live in western NC, both in the zone heavily impacted by the recent hurricane and also some a little farther west. I have heard from them and also watched a ton of "on the ground" videos of people that live there or were assisting with the rescue effort. Lots of open-carry pistols, ZERO rifles that I saw. That is a possible SHTF scenario, i.e. week/months or longer with no law and order, you're on your own, infrastructure devastated, etc. I have carried a rifle all day while trying to do farm-type work and it sucks. It's constantly in the way, heavy etc., and that was a 10.5" SBR with a LWRC UCIW stock/buffer tube combo. A pistol might be what you will realistically be carrying in the SHTF.
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I would imagine there also being something left in the truck of a rifle caliber.
 
One nice thing that people forget about DI AR15s is that every moving component of the hot side of the system necessary for the gun to cycle is contained inside the bolt carrier group.

Let's contrast this with piston guns where there are parts that are more difficult to (though less likely to need) service.

Generally speaking, if your AR was running. And it's not running now, cleaning the chamber and replacing the BCG gets you back in the game/fight. It's very easy to carry a spare BCG.
 
dcmdon said:
One nice thing that people forget about DI AR15s is that every moving component of the hot side of the system necessary for the gun to cycle is contained inside the bolt carrier group.

Let's contrast this with piston guns where there are parts that are more difficult to (though less likely to need) service.

Generally speaking, if your AR was running. And it's not running now, cleaning the chamber and replacing the BCG gets you back in the game/fight. It's very easy to carry a spare BCG.
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I have a PWS with their modified piston system. Is it worth grabbing a replacement BCG?
 
dcmdon said:
One nice thing that people forget about DI AR15s is that every moving component of the hot side of the system necessary for the gun to cycle is contained inside the bolt carrier group.

Let's contrast this with piston guns where there are parts that are more difficult to (though less likely to need) service.

Generally speaking, if your AR was running. And it's not running now, cleaning the chamber and replacing the BCG gets you back in the game/fight. It's very easy to carry a spare BCG.
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Oh my ... I have to carry a spare BCG now?

F*ck, my heavy as f*ck SHTF pack just got heavier.
 
APFSDS said:
I have a lot of friends that live in western NC, both in the zone heavily impacted by the recent hurricane and also some a little farther west. I have heard from them and also watched a ton of "on the ground" videos of people that live there or were assisting with the rescue effort. Lots of open-carry pistols, ZERO rifles that I saw. That is a possible SHTF scenario, i.e. week/months or longer with no law and order, you're on your own, infrastructure devastated, etc. I have carried a rifle all day while trying to do farm-type work and it sucks. It's constantly in the way, heavy etc., and that was a 10.5" SBR with a LWRC UCIW stock/buffer tube combo. A pistol might be what you will realistically be carrying in the SHTF.
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In that particular scenario, the priority is on disaster response that requires a lot of hands on work. Also much less risk from other humans during the day. Pistols make a lot of sense.

But in the evenings or a more prolonged lack of law and order, the risk may be different.
 
Broc Tuah said:
I will just walk around and pick up a rifle and a few mags.
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tuna said:
Don't know about your town, but in mine, there is a shotgun and an AR in all three police vehicles. Good place to start looking if S truly HTF.
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Probably easier to just get your own shotgun and a rifle now then try to rely on that scenario
 
APFSDS said:
I have a lot of friends that live in western NC, both in the zone heavily impacted by the recent hurricane and also some a little farther west. I have heard from them and also watched a ton of "on the ground" videos of people that live there or were assisting with the rescue effort. Lots of open-carry pistols, ZERO rifles that I saw. That is a possible SHTF scenario, i.e. week/months or longer with no law and order, you're on your own, infrastructure devastated, etc. I have carried a rifle all day while trying to do farm-type work and it sucks. It's constantly in the way, heavy etc., and that was a 10.5" SBR with a LWRC UCIW stock/buffer tube combo. A pistol might be what you will realistically be carrying in the SHTF.
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I really wonder what people in this state would do if we didn't have power for like a month. My view (probably wrong) is that people down south are a little more self sufficient as a group then people who live in the northeast. Just possibly my jaded view of things.
 
general disorder said:
I really wonder what people in this state would do if we didn't have power for like a month. My view (probably wrong) is that people down south are a little more self sufficient as a group than people who live in the northeast. Just possibly my jaded view of things.
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Definitely don’t lump the majority of new englanders in with the suburban ma**h*** soccer moms. There are an awful lot of people in northern New England, and even in crap holes like MA that are as self sufficient and capable as any southerner with similar lifestyle. May even be more hardy up here due to the ability to deal with the cold and snow.
 
DarkJoker33 said:
Having multiple superlative arms kits, I'd say bolt and rod.
No need for the whole bcg.
Something would have to have gone terribly wrong for the carrier to die.
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this is true.

but if you're stocking parts in case of emergency, which is quicker to replace, the bolt or the whole BCG?
 
Mesatchornug said:
this is true.

but if you're stocking parts in case of emergency, which is quicker to replace, the bolt or the whole BCG?
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Damn….If you’re going to this level, you’re really hardcore. I guess the difference would matter if you’re getting shot at. But it’s probably a matter of 30 seconds difference.
 
G4Y4HK said:
Yeah for 80 bucks, might as well pick up a whole spare toolcraft bcg for every AR you own.

ar15discounts.com

- Toolcraft .223/5.56/300 BLK C158 M16 Profile Bolt Carrier Group - Black Nitride - AR15Discounts

Toolcraft Inc. is an OEM manufacturer of bolt carrier groups (BCGs) for many AR15 makers. These companies know they can trust Toolcraft quality and are prou
ar15discounts.com ar15discounts.com
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My spares end up in a new build... Sigh...

Taking a bolt a bolt apart in the field would suck in a SHTF situation, you'd probably want a new firing pin as well, and oops, you dropped the cotter pin...

I've seen a few broken firing pins, so best just to have a full spare BCG you can swap in, in seconds.
 
LakeTrout said:
Damn….If you’re going to this level, you’re really hardcore. I guess the difference would matter if you’re getting shot at. But it’s probably a matter of 30 seconds difference.
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You can disassemble and reassemble a BCG in 30 seconds under fire in the dark??? Damn!
 
chris_1001 said:
My spares end up in a new build... Sigh...

Taking a bolt a bolt apart in the field would suck in a SHTF situation, you'd probably want a new firing pin as well, and oops, you dropped the cotter pin...

I've seen a few broken firing pins, so best just to have a full spare BCG you can swap in, in seconds.
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Better spend the money training.

You wont be in a battle replacing a BCG. [rofl]

I can picture it now... "f*ck, in which pocket is the BCG?" ... "mother f*cker, I cant find it ..." ... "found it, f*cking snacks were on top" ... "sh*t, now this f*cking pin is stuck"... "sweet, pin is unstuck ... oh f*ck why cant I open it?" ... "my bolt is stuck back" ... 💀 🪦

(Dead Chris gets teabagged)
 
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Broc Tuah said:
My girl can. Impressive. But she did it about 10K times during her time in the armory
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Broc Tuah said:
I can picture it now... "f*ck, in which picket is the BCG?" ... "mother f*cker, I cant find it ..." ... "sh*t, now this f*cking pin is stuck"... 💀 🪦
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haha this^

I'm planning on picking up spare mags, parts, ammo, gear and some woman as I roam from house to house...

And she is welcome to join me!
 
Broc Tuah said:
My girl can. Impressive. But she did it about 10K times during her time in the armory.
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American schools should have an after school program like they do in Russia familiarizing themselves with our country's preferred AR platform for weapons of war.


View: https://youtu.be/LrxjYfl05ek?si=QojlR_8btCugDY0V



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chris_1001 said:
My spares end up in a new build... Sigh...

Taking a bolt a bolt apart in the field would suck in a SHTF situation, you'd probably want a new firing pin as well, and oops, you dropped the cotter pin...

I've seen a few broken firing pins, so best just to have a full spare BCG you can swap in, in seconds.
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Several of my builds started with a spare port cover. Once you have that, you may as well finish the AR...

I could even finish up an AR when starting with only a detent or detent spring, but I never have extras after launching most of them into orbit. [rofl]
 
G4Y4HK said:
Yeah for 80 bucks, might as well pick up a whole spare toolcraft bcg for every AR you own.

ar15discounts.com

- Toolcraft .223/5.56/300 BLK C158 M16 Profile Bolt Carrier Group - Black Nitride - AR15Discounts

Toolcraft Inc. is an OEM manufacturer of bolt carrier groups (BCGs) for many AR15 makers. These companies know they can trust Toolcraft quality and are prou
ar15discounts.com ar15discounts.com
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That's also a di bcg, not a piston bcg.

Mesatchornug said:
this is true.

but if you're stocking parts in case of emergency, which is quicker to replace, the bolt or the whole BCG?
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If it takes you more than a minute to swap a bolt in an AR, you shouldn't be in there anyways
LakeTrout said:
Damn….If you’re going to this level, you’re really hardcore. I guess the difference would matter if you’re getting shot at. But it’s probably a matter of 30 seconds difference.
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Exactly.
 
Mountain said:
Several of my builds started with a spare port cover. Once you have that, you may as well finish the AR...

I could even finish up an AR when starting with only a detent or detent spring, but I never have extras after launching most of them into orbit. [rofl]
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This guy knows! ^

DarkJoker33 said:
If it takes you more than a minute to swap a bolt in an AR, you shouldn't be in there anyways
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Bolt or Bolt Carrier Group?

Big difference.
 
chris_1001 said:
You can disassemble and reassemble a BCG in 30 seconds under fire in the dark??? Damn!
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i don’t think I’m going to be doing it under fire in the dark, no. I think it’s really unrealistic to be replacing a BCG or bolt while under fire.

30 seconds is quicker than I can do it not having practiced. I can do it in 50 seconds including dropping the firing pin and fumbling around a bit. That’s 50 more seconds than swapping the full BCG, which I think is unrealistic when getting shot at, anyway. So for me, I wouldn’t keep a spare carrier. But I think a spare bolt is good to have around.
 

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