3/27/23 Nashville School Shooting

[weekendracer]

Camo

Let's squeeze casual anti-semitism into an article, shall we? Homosexuality was primarily promoted by Jewish academics and media. Are you kidding me?!

Well, they left out how a LOT of the head of the SS orgs were not exactly straight shooters. Why not blame the Joos, and uplift the Nazis? I misspelled the religion on purpose, no need to bring the real religion into an obtuse discussion.

 

[pastera]

Huh - interesting.

So I watched the whole video - and noticed right at the very end where it shows the confused piece of shit's body lying on the ground - that you could catch a glimpse of the shoes it was wearing.

So earlier I saw this posted - and wondered WTF it was all about, but I had not seen the video yet:

So what the hell is up with that - the video , showing the shooter's body at the end - does not seem to match up with what shoes
the shooter is shown wearing in clear shots of her/it in the hall - earlier.

You can't trust colors on security cameras all that much
Lenses distort and AWB on cheap sensors give enough evidence to see what happened but details can be skewed by camera and compression artifacts.
I would need original feeds to try to see what's what but believe me, even with multi million dollar systems artifacts and true colors will bite you in the ass.

 

[ASHDUMP]

Camo

Let's squeeze casual anti-semitism into an article, shall we? Homosexuality was primarily promoted by Jewish academics and media. Are you kidding me?!

It's hard to unsee it now... This problem is a psychological one created by people who want to change the landscape of the world.

 

[Picton]

Please indulge me a dumb question if you will. So I see all the talking points for gun control this morning, as what always happens, yet if someone buys the firearms legally exactly what new gun control law(s) are they speaking to specifically?

UBC and AWB.

That's their prescription for everything firearms-related. "If only we had those!" And logic be damned.

 

[Waher]

View: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1640861593209536515

This is like Jihadis complaining about a "backlash" whenever they do Jihad against some infidels.

 

[pastera]

Harsh, but understandable at the moment.

Not harsh - part of the push for these degenerates is the glory gained in infamy.
Treat them like the forgotten trash they are (when they commit evil acts) and the incentive is removed.

 

[calsdad]

They did a great job - you could see they were hesitant and being pushed by the one with body cam.
But when the target presented they took instant action completing the mission with all due prejudice.

I noticed that in the video too - but I'm pretty sure the "pushing" that you mention is something happens within a trained team as a non-verbal "cue" or command that the person being pushed should move forward. If you watch videos of SWAT teams or of infantry/marine squads in combat you see that move happen a lot. If there was actual shooting going on - a verbal command might no be able to be heard - you need some way of communicating over all the loud noise.

 

[In God We Trust]

Why do all of our towns have so many on duty cops that just sit and watch traffic all day? Just put one cop in each school, is that too much to ask?

My town normally has a cop in the parking lot of the school during pickup/drop off.

As to “watching traffic” when cops are not actively on a call or patrolling an area, they like them to park in high visibility areas to dissuade speeders, light runners, or crime in general.

 

[SgtHal75]

I don't think this is the answer, a retired overweight cop that hasn't trained in 25 years is not the answer. No disrespect..... but a retired combat vet with PTSD may not be either. Notice the one leading the charge in this video is a fit young male, very proficient with his rifle and tactics deploying it, kept his shit together, didn't spend more rounds than he needed to neutralize the threat, and as soon as he did, was aware enough under the stress to make his weapon safe when fellow officers moved in front of him.

100%!

Putting a School resource officer who’s close to retirement aint the answer. The whole PTSD thing is different. There are a lot of Veterans with PTSD that are perfectly fine to do this job and function higher than a lot of ppl in our society nowadays. PD’s do active shooter drills all the time but how many of those individual cops belong to a range and train often?…not a whole hell of a lot. The cop who took down starscream or whatever that f***in transformer went by was a Marine Veteran and SWAT.

 

[calsdad]

This is like Jihadis complaining about a "backlash" whenever they do Jihad against some infidels.

It's the trans version of "they cry out in pain as they attack you".

 

[pastera]

I noticed that in the video too - but I'm pretty sure the "pushing" that you mention is something happens within a trained team as a non-verbal "cue" or command that the person being pushed should move forward. If you watch videos of SWAT teams or of infantry/marine squads in combat you see that move happen a lot. If there was actual shooting going on - a verbal command might no be able to be heard - you need some way of communicating over all the loud noise.

Agree - once more body cam footage came out it was clear that they did a great job moving as a team.
Absolutely zero taken from them even if there was hesitation - I would be scared shit to go up against a shooter with a suicide end goal.

 

[In God We Trust]

I noticed that in the video too - but I'm pretty sure the "pushing" that you mention is something happens within a trained team as a non-verbal "cue" or command that the person being pushed should move forward. If you watch videos of SWAT teams or of infantry/marine squads in combat you see that move happen a lot. If there was actual shooting going on - a verbal command might no be able to be heard - you need some way of communicating over all the loud noise.

In a stack, we were trained before entry that the last guy squeezes the shoulder of the guy in front of him first and the rest repeat the move to the front to indicate readiness. If you are not ready yet, you do t squeeze u til you are.

It’s a way to signal without making noise and the hand on the shoulder lets the guy in front of you know everything is cool behind him. Once the shooting starts it’s all verbal communication

 

[FalArAk]

Please indulge me a dumb question if you will. So I see all the talking points for gun control this morning, as what always happens, yet if someone buys the firearms legally exactly what new gun control law(s) are they speaking to specifically?

Ban all the things, make everything illegal.

It's the only way to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, which is the real problem for politicians. Law abiding gun owning citizens are more of a threat to politicians(the way it should be) than school shooters.

 

[weekendracer]

Damn, I hadn't watched the whole thing til now. AR guy shows up, assembles a team and is inside the building within one minute, perp down two and a half minutes later. Checkmate.

That was textbook. Now you know why so many people are pissed at everyone over Uvalde. That is how my guys trained, and still failed to take the lead when others hesitated.

 

[AMV]

What you are missing from your calculations is there is a crazed attacker that will fire until they kill your child.
The threat from the teacher is theoretical.

As for your standard for teachers, plenty of threads here show your first two standards are wishful pipe dreams.

You must start from the end point that YOUR child is a victim and back the plan that has the best chance of changing that. Paying taxes is sunk cost, education and protection are your duty. Shirk it if you want but don't expect others to care more than you do.

with the highly unlikely probability a school shooting will ever happen, an untrained teacher carrying a gun everyday around children may be a greater threat of harm

We do background checks for the first 2 on all teachers, do we not? We do for parents involved in the school

When a kid is in your classroom who is responsible for them, Who has custody during that time……. If it is the teacher or their employer the choice is not 100% yours

 

[p..]

3/29/23 WSJ

 

[calsdad]

100%!

Putting a School resource officer who’s close to retirement aint the answer. The whole PTSD thing is different. There are a lot of Veterans with PTSD that are perfectly fine to do this job and function higher than a lot of ppl in our society nowadays. PD’s do active shooter drills all the time but how many of those individual cops belong to a range and train often?…not a whole hell of a lot. The cop who took down starscream or whatever that f***in transformer went by was a Marine Veteran and SWAT.

The true answer is - I believe - to train at least some of the teachers in the school to be able to respond effectively - which would also mean allowing them to have guns. One of the things I thought was interesting about the video they released - was how long it took to even find the shooter. Even if that school had ONE "resource officer" available - the shooter still could have done a lot of damage before that person even got there - if they weren't right there in the section of the building where the shooter entered.

Go read the book "Terror at Beslan" - the incident was evaluated by special forces types from over here - (who were let in by the Russians BTW - so they could share knowledge about what happened there). And in the book the conclusion they came to was that just having one or two officers wasn't going to cut it - the school staff as a whole needed to have a better response than just hiding in their rooms.

 

[heck ya beaches]

You high? Teachers work just as much at home. Well, the ones I know do anyway.

Summers off

And no, I don't "get high". I'm not a hippie.

 

[HARRYM]

Ban all the things, make everything illegal.

It's the only way to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, which is the real problem for politicians. Law abiding gun owning citizens are more of a threat to politicians(the way it should be) than school shooters.

I mean I know that Democrats favorite term is "there ought to be a law" as a solution to everything but if now law was broken prior to the shooting it does make you wonder. One thing for sure is the Left does not want a deep investigation as to why these crazed shooters are multiplying.

 

[weekendracer]

My town does. Every single day.
And the PD is literally right across the street form the Middle/ Senior High School. But this was a private school.

Please keep in mind this was a private school.

If the local PoPo had to put a cop in every 'school', you'd have to quadruple the size of the force.

 

[calsdad]

Please indulge me a dumb question if you will. So I see all the talking points for gun control this morning, as what always happens, yet if someone buys the firearms legally exactly what new gun control law(s) are they speaking to specifically?

Here's something to remember when Biden and Co. start spouting off about how the "AR-15 was never meant to be in the hands of civilians""

The Captain's Journal » Interview with Reed Knight on Eugene Stoner and the AR-15

Fascinating.


See also:

Original ATF AR-15 Classification Refutes Claim that Rifle ‘Not Meant’ for Civilians

[T]he magazine, unsurprisingly to anyone familiar with its anti-gun bent, attempted to bolster a claim that “these rifles were meant for the military, not civilians.”

www.ammoland.com

 

[mcb]

I appreciate Officer Rex sense of urgency, he asked for any 3 and rolled.

 

[T-Unit]

I haven't had time to look up every aspect of this shooting, but this is one worth more attention because it was a biological woman, which is rare, but even more interesting is they communicated to a childhood friend they were going to do something violent. Normally mass shooters don't speak to others and reveal their plans and don't seek help, this one did seem to want help. Forget about the trans issue for a second (tho it does have a part dealing with the motive) this person was being treated by some medical professional (who I'm sure police are interviewing) and the reaching out to a friend is classic suicidal behavior.

There's definitely more to this, hate for Christians and this victim hood mentality was the major motivation, but we're not seeing trans people shooting up churches every Sunday, so don't automatically brand every trans person as some mass killer in waiting.

I said this last year after rumors about the Uvalde shooter came out, yet it still applies today to this shooting.

Before everyone wants to jump on the mental illness argument because the shooter was transgender, the reality is that the LGBT community is being radicalized by Communist Democrats and social media. They have sowed division within that community, the Black community, and others that they are victims being oppressed, if not set up to be exterminated.

That's just asking for people especially who are LGBT, who are young and indoctrinated, to lash out.

This shooting was not the fault of guns, gun laws, conservatives, libertarians, the Supreme Court, but the fault of the Democrats, the Woke movement, the Left Wing media, and Left Wing social media.

 

[HARRYM]

I appreciate Officer Rex sense of urgency, he asked for any 3 and rolled.

And those who went with him.

 

[calsdad]

View attachment 736934
*checks early life segment on wikipedia*

Ah there it is

LOL.

I find that when I run across posts like that guy made - I usually have a "huh - that's a strange comment to be making - I wonder WTF this guy's backstory is"........... so I go and do a Google search. If the person has any presence in media, politics, business - whatever - there is often a Wiki page for them. Or - they'll be on LinkedIn, Instagram - whatever. There will usually be something out there you can run across with minimal searching that will show the person's backstory.

And yes - the hit rate on "Ah there it is" is remarkably high.

 

[Grendizer138]

with the highly unlikely probability a school shooting will ever happen, an untrained teacher carrying a gun everyday around children may be a greater threat of harm

We do background checks for the first 2 on all teachers, do we not? We do for parents involved in the school

When a kid is in your classroom who is responsible for them, Who has custody during that time……. If it is the teacher or their employer the choice is not 100% yours

So train them?

This is a wicked out-yourself thread.

 

[FalArAk]

I haven't had time to look up every aspect of this shooting, but this is one worth more attention because it was a biological woman, which is rare, but even more interesting is they communicated to a childhood friend they were going to do something violent. Normally mass shooters don't speak to others and reveal their plans and don't seek help, this one did seem to want help. Forget about the trans issue for a second (tho it does have a part dealing with the motive) this person was being treated by some medical professional (who I'm sure police are interviewing) and the reaching out to a friend is classic suicidal behavior.

There's definitely more to this, hate for Christians and this victim hood mentality was the major motivation, but we're not seeing trans people shooting up churches every Sunday, so don't automatically brand every trans person as some mass killer in waiting.

I said this last year after rumors about the Uvalde shooter came out, yet it still applies today to this shooting.

In case you haven't noticed, a majority of the trans community is taking up arms and ready to "defend" themselves.. in this case defend doesn't mean a physical threat, they are violently defending their way of life against people who they deem as anti or phobic(hint: everybody is anti or phobic to a crazy person) They suffer from mental disorders, and with the help from politicians and able to mobilize with like mined in Antifa, they have become emboldened.

Make no mistakes, they want to kill those who choose not to participate in their disorder.

 

[AMV]

So train them?

This is a wicked out-yourself thread.

Exactly. Offer some training. Not just anyone with a LTC should be allowed.
Not sure how that is even a little unreasonable

It was in response to saying no additional training is needed, only an LTC

 

[Picton]

There's definitely more to this, hate for Christians and this victim hood mentality was the major motivation, but we're not seeing trans people shooting up churches every Sunday, so don't automatically brand every trans person as some mass killer in waiting.

The early word was that this shooter attended this school and had a rough time. I'm not sure this was motivated by a "grudge against a church," or against Christianity per se, except in the sense that this particular school happened to be run by a church.

The messages she sent her friend might indicate a cry for help; they might just as well constitute a suicide note of sorts. Impossible to say for sure. I'm sure the doc knows more; they and the parents probably feel pretty freaking awful right around now.

 

[heck ya beaches]

They are simply following the Bible:

But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 6:27-28 (NASB)

It's the old adage "Love the sinner but hate the sin" (which doesn't actually directly appear anywhere in the Bible).

I don't know where the pacifism idea seeped into Christianity. Angels carried swords, God cast beings out of heaven, and at the end, even the souls of the wicked and impure will be extinguished from existence. The church listing the name of this tranny coward as a victim is woke bullshit.