Why because the system is not a 100% successful? Is that a good reason not to try or dose it prove they need to do more?
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3/27/23 Nashville School Shooting
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deerdad
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The democrat socialist playbook is to divide people, splinter off groups, then radicalize them into action. It's what they do.
No, because your assumption that there is vetting for pedophilia is incorrect. They may do a criminal background check which may detect a prior conviction for a sex related crime, but past that, there is no screen of any type for any sexual proclivities.
You explicitly stated you are "pretty sure" that such vetting is done. As no such screening is done, you clearly have not been paying attention.
FalArAk
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This mentality is why trans community is using violence and are feeling threatened. Hopefully this isn't the prevailing attitude with the majority, I don't think it is though.
I took it as sarcasm as that's always the lefts response, just back at them
If your where paying attention I also stated in other comments known criminals and pedophiles. Sorry for the confusion I should been more clear for you
Clarity and backreading the thread has no relevance here. There is no way to reconcile the upper post with the lower one, unless you want me to assume that you lack the ability to write a coherent sentence. If you want people to accept that explanation, then you only know 1 of the three conditions in the upper post (i.e., not a known criminal) and are will to take the same level of uncertainly to a teacher's tendency to be a pedophile as to his being a good shot.
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FalArAk
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I'm usually pretty good detecting sarcasm because I am in fact, a level 10 sarcasm distributor.
Not really familiar with Pioneer, so maybe I am wrong.
Just read it again like 6 times, I think you are right.
You can assume or accept what ever you wish. The conversations I was having with Picton. Was not about sexual preferences. If you are a known pedophile you are clearly a criminal. And on the list of sex offenders for everyone to see
I live and work in Nashville. Yesterday practically every conversation inside and outside the job was dominated by this event. The overwhelming mentality among about fifty I spoke to is heartbreak at the tragedy followed by pride at the LEO response.
Several friends serve on Metro PD, two of which responded to the scene. Couldn't say much due to ongoing investigation but they likewise were pleased with how their team responded. Still understated and professional -- primarily just pissed that it was necessary and lives lost, wishing they could have resolved it faster. One said, "I didn't know my car could drive that fast." Apparently those two who neutralized the threat are about as squared away as officers can get for tactics, policy, and relating to the public. Exactly who you want on the force.
Several friends serve on Metro PD, two of which responded to the scene. Couldn't say much due to ongoing investigation but they likewise were pleased with how their team responded. Still understated and professional -- primarily just pissed that it was necessary and lives lost, wishing they could have resolved it faster. One said, "I didn't know my car could drive that fast." Apparently those two who neutralized the threat are about as squared away as officers can get for tactics, policy, and relating to the public. Exactly who you want on the force.
Another one of my friends knows the family and his kid went to school with Audrey. He is concerned the politicizing will drown out the key element of her autism. Said the class was all kind to and included her, though the social challenges of being on the spectrum led her to never feel like she fit in. As he recalls it was later around late high school or college age that she transitioned. Her level of autism is also why she couldn't live alone.
Some more key context that friend shared. The school/church had developed protocol and drilled for an active shooter. Everyone was trained that the fire alarm could mean fire or shooter, so barricade until someone comes to tell which plan you're following. On Monday a substitute teacher was present who did not know that protocol. She heard the fire alarm and led the class into the hall as if for a fire, but then was told she needed to return to the classroom until given guidance. The shooter was walking down a cross-hall and looked aside to see that teacher and the last students approaching the room. She shot them but did not turn down that hall to the classroom and unguarded students -- she proceeded on her original path up the stairs to the admin office. Leads me to speculate she wasn't primarily targeting children but shot them out of adrenaline-fueled reflex and opportunism. Though clearly she was prepared to kill anyone she found in her path.
I speculate that the trans community was the first to make a misfit feel embraced -- you're instantly brave and heroic by coming out, after all. So perhaps she followed that path of "heroism" which requires identifying a villain. Being fed a constant victim narrative led to retaliation, however much or little it originated with reality. Pretty functional definition of radicalization and self-elected "martyrdom".
Some more key context that friend shared. The school/church had developed protocol and drilled for an active shooter. Everyone was trained that the fire alarm could mean fire or shooter, so barricade until someone comes to tell which plan you're following. On Monday a substitute teacher was present who did not know that protocol. She heard the fire alarm and led the class into the hall as if for a fire, but then was told she needed to return to the classroom until given guidance. The shooter was walking down a cross-hall and looked aside to see that teacher and the last students approaching the room. She shot them but did not turn down that hall to the classroom and unguarded students -- she proceeded on her original path up the stairs to the admin office. Leads me to speculate she wasn't primarily targeting children but shot them out of adrenaline-fueled reflex and opportunism. Though clearly she was prepared to kill anyone she found in her path.
I speculate that the trans community was the first to make a misfit feel embraced -- you're instantly brave and heroic by coming out, after all. So perhaps she followed that path of "heroism" which requires identifying a villain. Being fed a constant victim narrative led to retaliation, however much or little it originated with reality. Pretty functional definition of radicalization and self-elected "martyrdom".
Palladin
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This goes back to my "unable to form a cogent sentence" comment. You listed three conditions (criminal / pedophile / good shot). If you wish to conflate them (known pedophile = known criminal), there were only 2 conditions, and that's assuming your bad faith implication that the "known" condition was ever previously stated.
And, as a side note, if you wish to have a private conversation with Picton, the best place would be via DM. If you instead hold the conversation in a public forum, try not to get your panties in a twist when other people reference it.
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I don't understand what is the total obsession with trans by the left in the last few years, the .01% of the population.
Liberals must have taken a guess they were tapping into a violent, murderous, take no prisoners, hateful group of ppl.
SpaceCritter
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I wouldn't be.
Ok
You are 100% correct, I feel honored that you took the time to reply. My panties on not twisted in and way over it. Lol
I thought it was a useful line of discussion.
I don't think it's any more possible to "screen" for pedophilia than it is to "screen" police officers for corruptibility. But that wasn't the point of his post, so I didn't let it bother me.
FWIW, I believe in RKBA no matter where you are. For all occupations. But I also believe in accountability: if a citizen with a gun misuses it, they should expect investigation and, perhaps, prosecution. If they can't handle that, they shouldn't carry.
I would apply that to cops as well, in all cases. Because I don't subscribe to the notion that cops are all that special.
Rockrivr1
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Wonder how many more days the mainstream media is going to milk this tragedy before it goes to the wayside as it doesn't meet the white NRA hate person they had hoped it would be.
SpaceCritter
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Blacks and trannies BOTH need to get a grip.
And we need to stop coddling 'em both and tolerating their shit.
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And the anti-2A despots are only too happy to let them do it. They push disinformation to agitate them even further. When these unstable people go out and kill people, the Putin-wannabes will use it to justify the removal of our rights.
SpaceCritter
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YeahWell, welcome to my world.
My entire life I was told, "Suck it up - it's NOT the humans' job to accommodate YOU, it's YOUR job to work with THEM."
Except you choose to view the world through the lens of ownership rather than victimhood.
"He's a productive member of society using this one weird trick!"
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Where/ when did you hear this?
pastera
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For my day job? I hope so since I work with classified information and equipment.
In my personal life - Yes, because I did security and children's ministries at my previous church
Actually everyone in my house has gone through CORIs for similar reasons and my wife is a Mass certified teacher (read my previous posts where I said that I took a serious hit to ensure my children's safe and effective education)
Agree - You are the only one trying to strawman the no training BS.
However, if my kids were in a situation where it was a one box a year FUD or an unarmed person who was there, I would choose the FUD that MIGHT cause harm but COULD stop the threat over the certain harm from defenselessness.
Why would we let untrained or unvetted people supervise children in the first place - again this is not part of the argument.
Why does a citizen need to be licensed? Please present the Textual support or Historical Tradition for such requirements.
When I say school-sponsored training is not always good, consider this ludicrous protocol.
Ps. Thanks for sharing your experiences on the ground.
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beaker
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Another tragedy because Progressive leftists want to disarm the law abiding population. The mother of this mentally ill woman is an outspoken gun control advocate and worked to prevent school carry.
Mother of Nashville School Shooter Was Gun Control Activist – Kept Guns Out of Schools
Tragic details of the monstrous Nashville shooter's lifestyle are emerging, like being raised in a controlling and dominating environment with a social justice activist parent who had attitudes about which American citizens are allowed to protect themselves, their families, and American schools...
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Amputee Marksman
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Shooter dead, situation deescalated. Next step is to go to dead shooter's house and investigate. OK, sounds reasonable.
Do you think they knock on the door or try and get the parents to open the door. Nope, let's use a ram to smash the door and then for good measure we'll throw some flash grenades into the house. Not sure what they expected to find in the house as far as armed/active resistance but seems excessive to me.
I'm really getting sick of LEO blatantly destroying private property when not necessary and then hiding behind immunity laws to not pay for repairs to said property.
Do you think they knock on the door or try and get the parents to open the door. Nope, let's use a ram to smash the door and then for good measure we'll throw some flash grenades into the house. Not sure what they expected to find in the house as far as armed/active resistance but seems excessive to me.
I'm really getting sick of LEO blatantly destroying private property when not necessary and then hiding behind immunity laws to not pay for repairs to said property.
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