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Dealing with the gen z.......I swear some days I just want to say f*** it and head to the woods and be a hermit.
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thesyguy
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Not my job to make them comply with policy. That is on the HR and Health & Safety departments. It is they who refuse to do their jobs and properly discipline the offending staff. I just informed them of the potential consequences for their failure to follow the procedures.
lancecolonel
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this is part of the problem.....any kid that WANTS to go to trade school should be able to.
citoriguy
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It’s commensurate with his experience. What he’s done for 2 years is a different than what I need/am looking for. It’s not wasted but it’s going to take a lot of ramping up to get him up to speed.
I ran into that working for the big box auto retailer. When I went in and 'asked' for time off, he said he'd 'work on it' and get back to me. My response was 'I'm not going to be here those days, I'm not sure what the discussion is about?'.
My kid was going to a national competition, his first, I was going to be there.
My PTO policy with my team is easy:
Family first (dogs count as family).
Take whatever time off you want, whenever you want.
My only asks are:
1. Have someone that will cover for you.
2. Make sure your forecast is tight.
3. Send me all the relevant information so I can follow up on deals if needed. (Contacts for all the people involved).
My policy on work hours:
- I dont give a f*ck how many hours someone works. What I care is that the job gets done. If you can do it in 3hrs and want to golf the rest of the day, go for it.
But I don't work in retail, different world and my entire team works from home.
- I created an expectations document everyone has to follow. If anyone starts slacking, they get micro managed and coached until they stop slacking. This is nothing crazy, it is easy to follow with realistic expectations. Anyone working at least 6hrs per day can get it done of they actually work.
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As a manager of a good sized team......sometimes you gotta tell the team member let me get back to you......because you gotta check the schedule to see if anyone's scheduled already to be off. But "get back to you" for me means by the end of that business day. I check the vacation schedule the next time I'm in my office make the decision quick. It's rare that I'm low staffed to the point I have to deny a vacation.......but it happens.....and its how we communicate with team members that can make a solution easier. I don't tell someone "your pto request is denied". I say hey......so and so and so and so already requested those days off.....that's gonna put us real short......are your plans flexible on those days or are we talking something super important? I've had guys gear that from me and say i can look into changing the vacation days. And I've had guys.....like yourself.....that say it's very important.......and I either work with the other team.members to move stuff around and if thats a no go i approve the time off and work the dock myself those days to cover then catch up on admin at the end of the shift and end up working 12 to 14 hours that day. But....the "super important can't change plans" stuff.....should be rare.
But I'll add.....
I certainly wouldn't expect one of my guys to come to me "with attitude" like your saying you gave your supervisor......Especially with my ways of even working the dock to cover for my guys if they really need the time off. If one did give me attitude about it......they'd probably be looking for a other team to "join". However, if someone came to me and said yo my son just made nationals I gotta travel.....I'd have said congrats that's awesome......let me look into what I can do to get that time off for you......and if I had to work the dock I'd work the dock and have some long ass days.
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Yeah, this was essentially minimum wage for the area, expecting me to go way over the top.
The gig I was going for recently, I told my wife I'd probably be missing family stuff. Pay me well, you get my 110%.
That’s slightly above McDonald’s wages.
$20 an hour x full time x 52 weeks = $40,000
I assumed McDonalds is a little above minimum wage idk as I never looked into them for employment so when I say "Entry Level" I mean around that 20 to 25 an hour, that's what my company offers basic entry level packagers.
I been out of the loop for awhile
citoriguy
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That’s a good point, and I didn’t include this in my original post, but this position is 20-25 hours per week with 2 peak periods in the year. This person is not a FTE, but could evolve into one based on performance, and if they are, obviously the comp would be revisited.
namedpipes
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Somehow I got some reaction video "suggestions" from youtube.
This one "FIRST TIME listening to THE ANIMALS - House Of The Rising Sun REACTION" caught my eye so I rolled it.
I'm only 26 seconds in and the 26 year old b***h says she's been wanting to listen to classical music.
She'd better not be planning a follow-on career as a... well, anything that requires rational thought.
Not sure I'll make it to the end but I'm going to soldier on for another minute or two in the desperate hope it improves, or she at least flashes some more cleavage.
This one "FIRST TIME listening to THE ANIMALS - House Of The Rising Sun REACTION" caught my eye so I rolled it.
I'm only 26 seconds in and the 26 year old b***h says she's been wanting to listen to classical music.
She'd better not be planning a follow-on career as a... well, anything that requires rational thought.
Not sure I'll make it to the end but I'm going to soldier on for another minute or two in the desperate hope it improves, or she at least flashes some more cleavage.
namedpipes
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I made it to 3:21, where she paused the music video and started talking.
I weep for our grandchildren.
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71montess
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Varmint
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I found this article amusing. It lists 5 problems Gen Zers have in the workplace and are getting fired for, and explains why each one is really a plus, and it’s our fault for not accommodating and adjusting for them.
Uhh, isn’t it this pampering, “you can do no wrong” attitude that caused these problems in the first place?
www.forbes.com
Uhh, isn’t it this pampering, “you can do no wrong” attitude that caused these problems in the first place?
5 Reasons Why ‘Gen Z’ Is Struggling In The Workplace—By A Psychologist
Gen Z is the newest and fastest-growing cohort of employees in the workplace, but many are struggling to keep up. Here are five potential reasons why.
www.forbes.com
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george carlin nails it and this is how we got there : everyone a winner
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9wgQc8O90
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD9wgQc8O90
Palladin
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Looks like a lot of employers can't deal with Gen Z either.
LTCRN
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I don't blame companies for not wanting to hire them. I know of at least three, maybe four, young men that started working in what I would consider higher paying entry management roles, give or take 80 -100K with bonus. After being required to do physical work, handle lower level issues, have to work on Saturday, or OT during the week for a short term, they all quit their positions without having another job lined up. I thought the rule of thumb was you don't quit a job unless you have another lined up to take it's place. I thought you had to prove your worth and over time, you'd be rewarded. All these "kids" did well in school, went to private business schools and excelled. Their work ethics really caught me off guard. I think all have been out of work for close to six months now or longer and don't seem to care. Of course, some still live with their wealthy parents but those that don't, are just draining their savings. I know most of their parents well enough and I thought their parents wouldn't tolerate this for as long as they have. The parents came from not much and worked their asses of to get to where they're at now. I blame their parents who tolerate this behavior and continue to coddle their children. They aren't helping them one bit!
Then there are those that I would consider lost, not interested in utilizing their educations and just going thought the motions. They don't know what they want, except that they don't want to work doing the same thing day in and day out. They have zero patience for those they would consider less of them too.
I think the other problem is the world they grew up in. Everything is fast, instantly gratifying, and takes little effort to complete a task, like a video game. Very few put any effort into trying to excel at anything that requires excessive repetitiveness, such as sports. If it's to hard and God forbid they end up starting to sweat, they complained or quit.
Agnotology
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Predates boomers. First recorded participation trophy was 1922.
GaryO
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One of my daughters is in the biopharma industry and she's 31. She saw her competition and decided to go for a senior position at her company and was laughed at for not having the experience of older employees. She is now the senior clinical project director. My son is a junior in college and the shit he's dealing with is nuts. My oldest was the operation manager for a high end jewelry store and left because she didn't think she was being treated right by the owners. Within a month the owners asked if she would have a meeting with them. She said that they had to trust her and they hired her back at a higher salary and opened a store in the town my daughter lives in.
The one thing I always told my kids is that if you do 10% more than the average employee, you will be a top employee.
walter62
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I think in larger, corporate settings, the hiring managers may not want to hire a young go-getter, as it would threaten their jobs in the future. Great sign of a dysfunctional organization.
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