One thing I’ve also noticed is that my friends in states with magazine limitations are the ones that tell me that magazine size doesn’t matter. But the ones that live in states without limitations like to get all the capacity that they can. Not sure what that says about the situation.
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First Handgun in MA - Skip Larger Sizes Due to 10rd Cap?
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allen-1
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Ah yes. Advice from someone who calls himself "CrackPot".
CrackPot
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When capacity restricted my choice of carry was a 1911 in 45ACP. Not being capacity restricted my preference is a 1911 DS in 9mm so 17rds. Not a hard decision. I would always prefer more rounds unless legally restricted. I still use low capacity pocket guns in certain situations so < 10rds or 380 or 9 or 38spc but that is about gun size and concealability. When carrying on my waste its about capacity.
CrackPot
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My advice is worth every penny he paid for it.
allen-1
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I was gonna shrug and say "meh", but you do have a point.
My G43s have Pierce+2 magazine adapters.
My G43X has Shield Arms 15 round mags.
My full size carry Glocks all have standard capacity mags, 17 rounds.
I do have mag extenders, 5 additional rounds, for 10 mags for USPSA competition.
CT was frustrating. I had some number of "grandfathered" standard capacity mags for my G17/G34 guns - but I was legally forbidden to load more than 10 rounds in them other than at the range or at home.
You may want to be careful with this. I’m not saying I know any better than you, but I would be setting up an accident waiting to happen if this was my policy and I forgot to unload a gun after taking it out of the holster.
CrackPot
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If I have a gun in a holster, it too is likely loaded. Out of a holster should be unloaded. I have at least 8 loaded guns under my roof and quite a few loaded at my shop. Oh, and if loaded, THERE IS ONE IN THE CHAMBER.
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I talk to a lot of newer shooters at my club, and I could say quite a bit about first handguns. But I will start with the shortest piece of advice, which I have given before on this forum and in person. That advice is:
If you think the right choice for you might be an HK VP9, then just buy one.
Of course, this is a very nuanced topic, there are many other good choices, and some people will be better served by a smaller gun. But the VP9 works well for many people out of the box without any modifications. I believe that its adjustable grip is really best of breed, so just using the parts in the box, it fits a wide variety of hands. And while it is not cheap, I think the manufacturing quality is good, and almost justifies the cost.
Don't make me out to be an HK fanboy, and I am not knocking the many other reasonable choices. But a first gun is hard, because it is always a choice made without sufficient information. So for one sentence of useful advice, I'll stand with what I put above.
If you think the right choice for you might be an HK VP9, then just buy one.
Of course, this is a very nuanced topic, there are many other good choices, and some people will be better served by a smaller gun. But the VP9 works well for many people out of the box without any modifications. I believe that its adjustable grip is really best of breed, so just using the parts in the box, it fits a wide variety of hands. And while it is not cheap, I think the manufacturing quality is good, and almost justifies the cost.
Don't make me out to be an HK fanboy, and I am not knocking the many other reasonable choices. But a first gun is hard, because it is always a choice made without sufficient information. So for one sentence of useful advice, I'll stand with what I put above.
Darkslide
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Easy solution. Just use standard capacity mags, but have a few empty 10 rounders hidden around the house. After shooting the bad guys breaking into your home, swap out the standard cap with empty 10 rounders before you call the police. Make sure the 10 rounders have been previously used with the same ammo in case forensics test the gsr.
Exactly. In states with no capacity limitation We’re going to go out and buy extensions for 2 extra rounds. That says something.
The “magazine capacity doesn’t matter” guys are making the same argument the “penis size doesn’t matter” guys make. And it’s only the ones that are limited in those situations that make those arguments.
Darkslide
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I only use guns with preban mags, so it’s not gonna happen to me.
APFSDS
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When I'm in NC I use a +2 extension on my glock 26 or a 12 round mag in my P365. I carry a 19 round extended mag as a spare for the glock or a 15 round mag for the P365. I eventually plan on getting a G43x with 15 round mags. I want all the rounds on-board I can reasonably get TBH but full capacity mags in MA are too much hassle for me. I use a 10 round mag with pinky rest extension in the G26 and the P365 in MA and carry at least one spare, if not two. I was carrying two 9 round extended mags for my EC9s but I HATE an external safety, so I'm selling that. I wanted a single stack for MA because carrying two spare mags is less bulky, but I'm afraid I will forget about the safety in a high stress situation.
The Hi Point was a joke.
But I will say if anyone can be a good shot with a Hi Point, they can be a great shot with anything else.
Basically just block everyone to preserve your sanity.
A G43 with +2 Magguts is my most carried gun these days, tbh. About to try it in IDPA BUG for sh!ts and giggles.
Brings a whole new meaning to a Bull barrel...
Agreed. When the Boston Marathon bombers were running around, I worked from home and had my M1A leaned up against my desk.
allen-1
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Do you leave the fridge door open after you take something out? Leave the light on as you're leaving the bathroom?
It's the same thing - association of actions. A then B.
When I take a gun out of its holster in my home, I clear it. Every time.
chris_1001
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whatluck
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Not a problem with my sig hammer guns with defensive ammo with a good crimp. I had a Glock in 357sig that would compact rounds way too hard. Get calipers and check if it's happening.
whatluck
NES Member
Aren't high points fixed barrel recoil operated? Should I theory be fairly accurate unless the rifling in the barrels was done by a monkey with an Dremel. So they probably are shit.
Ya sometimes I leave the light on and sometimes I turn it off. Actually I’ve forgotten to close the fridge door too. That’s my point. Association of actions can break down for unforeseen circumstances. I’m not trying to change what you do or tell you you’re wrong, I’m just saying you may be creating more room for failure due to the human factor than you realize.
I don't. When I unholster my gun, I put it in my lockbox. I have one handgun in my safe that is inside a holster -- that gun is also loaded.
Every time I pick up a gun, I check its load condition. Even though I always put away my other guns in the safe unloaded, each time I pick up a gun I check its load condition. Each time I pick up one of my carry guns from my lockbox (which I know are loaded), I always check their load state. Every single time.
Yes, they are a fixed barrel and are accurate, the challenge is the ergonomics and the trigger.
Which is why I say if you can shoot them well, you can shoot anything else even better.
