Guide To Gun Rights in your MA Town - 2020 + Edition

Brookline's website still claims they require the Moon Island test.

I thought (I can't remember where I read or heard it) that both Boston and Brookline have ditched the Moon Island requirement.

Assuming it's still required, it looks (if their website is to be believed) that Brookline will accept an application before doing the live fire test, meaning it might just be possible to get an application in before 10/23.

Any insight?
 
Ipswich. Red? Green? The previous post about it wasn't exactly clear (in terms of a response).
 
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Brookline's website still claims they require the Moon Island test.

I thought (I can't remember where I read or heard it) that both Boston and Brookline have ditched the Moon Island requirement.

Assuming it's still required, it looks (if their website is to be believed) that Brookline will accept an application before doing the live fire test, meaning it might just be possible to get an application in before 10/23.

Any insight?
As of the spring, Brookline still required the test. It could (at the time) be administered by any MA certified instructor.
 
Meanwhile in Lowell:

A recent safety course student had an appointment with the Lowell PD to apply for his LTC scheduled for late September. They called him and rescheduled to 10/23. Yes. The effective day of the new laws. They hung up on him before he could ask any questions.

Maybe this is just a coincidence because someone got sick and they have to push everyone out to later dates, or maybe they deliberately rescheduled to force him to wait and to take the new course with all the new requirements.

I'm guessing the latter. Not clear if the Lowell PD thought that up on their own, or if someone from the state told them to do it.
That's terrible, but not at all surprising for Lowell. However, now the law has pushed the new training requirements out 18 months, so October 23rd will still work for that person.
 
Quick rant followed by a question.

My LTC expires this Sunday. As such, I began (or tried to begin) the process back in August of this year. I was told by the PD that they won't be scheduling renewal interviews until approx. 30 days before expiration. Fine - they did...I went in on November 2nd and submitted the paperwork and $$. I got the receipt noting it was in process and left.

Two weeks later - not hearing anything - I contacted the state hotline number to ask about status and was told it's still with my local police chief. I emailed the local PD contact and was told the file(s) were still with the chief and not submitted yet. He had a backlog of requests he was going through. I was told again, as long as I have the receipt on my person, it's as if my LTC is valid.

Over the last two weeks, I continue to check with the state and am told it is still with the PD. In reading the posted rules, I believe the full process should not exceed 40 days - but also thought the local PD had 7 days to submit to state which then has an additional 30ish days. (I may be wrong)

I feel that I am in a "don't keep bothering or else" position even though it really ticks me off - and yes, I am an impatient jerk. (I work in the tech world where you live/die by SLA, Customer Sat, and do your job). I also realize alot of you have gone through worse...

Rant over - here is my question. On Monday, when my legit LTC shows expired, what can I/can't I do with the piece of paper/receipt from my local PD stating it's in process?
 
Quick rant followed by a question.

My LTC expires this Sunday. As such, I began (or tried to begin) the process back in August of this year. I was told by the PD that they won't be scheduling renewal interviews until approx. 30 days before expiration. Fine - they did...I went in on November 2nd and submitted the paperwork and $$. I got the receipt noting it was in process and left.

Two weeks later - not hearing anything - I contacted the state hotline number to ask about status and was told it's still with my local police chief. I emailed the local PD contact and was told the file(s) were still with the chief and not submitted yet. He had a backlog of requests he was going through. I was told again, as long as I have the receipt on my person, it's as if my LTC is valid.

Over the last two weeks, I continue to check with the state and am told it is still with the PD. In reading the posted rules, I believe the full process should not exceed 40 days - but also thought the local PD had 7 days to submit to state which then has an additional 30ish days. (I may be wrong)

I feel that I am in a "don't keep bothering or else" position even though it really ticks me off - and yes, I am an impatient jerk. (I work in the tech world where you live/die by SLA, Customer Sat, and do your job). I also realize alot of you have gone through worse...

Rant over - here is my question. On Monday, when my legit LTC shows expired, what can I/can't I do with the piece of paper/receipt from my local PD stating it's in process?
You're new to this aren't you?
 
Yes...sorry, first time going through it. Initial LTC was smooth and quick. I foolishly assumed a renewal would go the same. I now know. 😀
"How long it takes" is totally random. Depends on when the PD "gets around to it". It is not a priority and to make matters worse, the PD does not get to keep even one penny of your $100 fee, so money is no motivation to put more person-hours into handling LTC applications/renewals.

I held a resident LTC for >40 yrs in the same town, and it is the same town I served in the PD for >15 yrs and sometimes it took a month or two, my last Res. LTC took 4.5 months, which was ridiculous (and nothing changed over the 40+ years we lived there). I even chewed out the deputy chief over the delay.

So, you just have to ride it out and know that you are perfectly legal with that MIRCS receipt (it is the only one that counts) to carry, buy, sell, etc. Most big-box stores won't honor it, but MGL specifies that you have those rights (privileges).
 
"How long it takes" is totally random. Depends on when the PD "gets around to it". It is not a priority and to make matters worse, the PD does not get to keep even one penny of your $100 fee, so money is no motivation to put more person-hours into handling LTC applications/renewals.
Did MGL Ch. 140, sec. 131A change?

That says, of the $100 fee, the PD keeps $25, the general fund gets $50, and $25 goes to the Firearms Fingerprint Identity Verification Trust Fund. I know you were an auxiliary officer once so I am wondering where you got your info. Thanks.
 
It’s all a crap shoot in MA. Here in FL I got a notice in the mail saying my license was expiring in January. I went to renew without an appointment the next day at 1:00. By 1:20 paid $45.00 which included a picture, then walked out with a new license in hand. How’s that for efficiency?
 
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Did MGL Ch. 140, sec. 131A change?

That says, of the $100 fee, the PD keeps $25, the general fund gets $50, and $25 goes to the Firearms Fingerprint Identity Verification Trust Fund. I know you were an auxiliary officer once so I am wondering where you got your info. Thanks.

131A got replaced with 121F by H.4885, but the new language is the same.
 
"How long it takes" is totally random. Depends on when the PD "gets around to it". It is not a priority and to make matters worse, the PD does not get to keep even one penny of your $100 fee, so money is no motivation to put more person-hours into handling LTC applications/renewals.

I held a resident LTC for >40 yrs in the same town, and it is the same town I served in the PD for >15 yrs and sometimes it took a month or two, my last Res. LTC took 4.5 months, which was ridiculous (and nothing changed over the 40+ years we lived there). I even chewed out the deputy chief over the delay.

So, you just have to ride it out and know that you are perfectly legal with that MIRCS receipt (it is the only one that counts) to carry, buy, sell, etc. Most big-box stores won't honor it, but MGL specifies that you have those rights (privileges).
What does the new law say around expired LTCs with MICRS receipt? I know there’s a provision where dealers are to confiscate any expired LTC presented to them.
 
What does the new law say around expired LTCs with MICRS receipt? I know there’s a provision where dealers are to confiscate any expired LTC presented to them.
The law says a license with MIRCS receipt is still good

And dealers are required to confiscate expired LTCs. At question is whether that LTC with receipt is, in fact, expired...
 
Yep, my question exactly.
I'm sure some will ask customers to check the date on their card before handing it over, to avoid the hassle altogether. I expect there are others who will say the receipt means it's not expired, so they'll take their chances.

I was able to accelerate my overdue LTC by telling my LO that I couldn't buy ammo before training this weekend, because of that update to the law. Cold comfort...
 
IIRC, FFL confiscating expired LTCs and FIDs was part of the old law. Years ago I witnessed someone trying to buy ammo at a Walmart with a very long expired lifetime FID. Sale was refused, but FID was not confiscated.
 
Fellow firefighter of mine from Wrentham turned in application Aug 12th, had fingerprint appointment Aug 15th, LTC received in mail yesterday Nov 19th.
Still way to long! If the PD didn't have to tie up manpower at The Outlets for massive amounts of shoplifting all the time, maybe, just maybe, licenses would be processed quicker and within the parameters of the law. Even the Chief participates in the weekly Outlets shit show! Still no reason to delay a RIGHT though!
 
The law says a license with MIRCS receipt is still good

And dealers are required to confiscate expired LTCs. At question is whether that LTC with receipt is, in fact, expired...


Under the new §121F, it looks like they're trying to say "expired isn't expired if you've applied for a new one", but what they really say is that an expired LTC is still valid. "still valid" and "not expired" aren't exactly the same thing. (but probably close enough)

And §121F(t) says it's a crime to be in possession of an expired LTC or FID, ((not with a gun", but just "in possession") and further makes a distinction between "invalid" and "expired"

So, who knows?

§121F:
(s) Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, an expired license to carry firearms issued under section 131 or an expired firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall remain valid for all lawful purposes if:​
(i) the licensee or card holder applied for renewal before the license or card expiration date and shall remain valid until the application for renewal is approved or denied;​
(ii) the licensee or card holder is on active duty with the armed forces of the United States on the expiration date of the license or card; provided, that the license or card shall remain valid until the licensee or card holder is released from active duty and for a period of not less than 180 days following their release; provided, however, that, if the licensee or card holder applied for renewal prior to the end of that period, the license or card shall remain valid for all lawful purposes until the application for renewal is approved or denied; or​
(iii) the expiration period has not yet exceeded 90 days beyond the stated date of expiration, unless such license to carry or firearm identification card has been revoked or suspended.​

(t) Any person in possession of a license to carry issued under sections 131 or firearm identification card issued under section 129B whose respective license or card is invalid for the sole reason that it has expired, not including licenses and cards that remain valid under subsection (s), and not otherwise disqualified from renewal upon application, shall be subject to a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $5,000 and section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply; provided, however, that this exemption shall not apply if such license or card:​
(i) has been revoked or suspended unless such revocation or suspension was caused by failure to give notice of a change of address;​
(ii) is the subject of pending revocation or suspension unless such revocation or suspension was caused by failure to give notice of a change of address; or​
(iii) has had an application for renewal denied.​
Any law enforcement officer who discovers a person to be in possession of a firearm after such person’s license or card has expired, meaning after 90 days beyond the stated expiration date on the license or card or has been revoked or suspended solely for failure to given notice of a change of address, shall confiscate such firearm and the expired or suspended license or card then in possession and such officer shall forward such license or card, as soon as practical, to the licensing authority that issued the expired license or card. The officer shall, at the time of confiscation, provide to the person whose firearm has been confiscated, a written inventory and receipt for all firearms confiscated and the officer shall exercise due care in the handling, holding and storage of these items. Any confiscated firearm shall be considered surrendered and subject to the conditions of section 129D; provided, however, that the confiscated firearm shall be returned to the owner if proof of license or permit reinstatement is provided within 1 year of confiscation. This subsection shall not apply to temporary licenses to carry under section 131F.​
 
Still way to long! If the PD didn't have to tie up manpower at The Outlets for massive amounts of shoplifting all the time, maybe, just maybe, licenses would be processed quicker and within the parameters of the law. Even the Chief participates in the weekly Outlets shit show! Still no reason to delay a RIGHT though!
The long delays go way further back than the shoplifting issue.

Local PDs will outright lie to people telling them the state is holding it up, when it's sitting on a desk at the PD and all they need to do is make a call.
 
Under the new §121F, it looks like they're trying to say "expired isn't expired if you've applied for a new one", but what they really say is that an expired LTC is still valid. "still valid" and "not expired" aren't exactly the same thing. (but probably close enough)

And §121F(t) says it's a crime to be in possession of an expired LTC or FID, ((not with a gun", but just "in possession") and further makes a distinction between "invalid" and "expired"

So, who knows?

§121F:
(s) Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, an expired license to carry firearms issued under section 131 or an expired firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall remain valid for all lawful purposes if:​
(i) the licensee or card holder applied for renewal before the license or card expiration date and shall remain valid until the application for renewal is approved or denied;​
(ii) the licensee or card holder is on active duty with the armed forces of the United States on the expiration date of the license or card; provided, that the license or card shall remain valid until the licensee or card holder is released from active duty and for a period of not less than 180 days following their release; provided, however, that, if the licensee or card holder applied for renewal prior to the end of that period, the license or card shall remain valid for all lawful purposes until the application for renewal is approved or denied; or​
(iii) the expiration period has not yet exceeded 90 days beyond the stated date of expiration, unless such license to carry or firearm identification card has been revoked or suspended.​

(t) Any person in possession of a license to carry issued under sections 131 or firearm identification card issued under section 129B whose respective license or card is invalid for the sole reason that it has expired, not including licenses and cards that remain valid under subsection (s), and not otherwise disqualified from renewal upon application, shall be subject to a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $5,000 and section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply; provided, however, that this exemption shall not apply if such license or card:​
(i) has been revoked or suspended unless such revocation or suspension was caused by failure to give notice of a change of address;​
(ii) is the subject of pending revocation or suspension unless such revocation or suspension was caused by failure to give notice of a change of address; or​
(iii) has had an application for renewal denied.​
Any law enforcement officer who discovers a person to be in possession of a firearm after such person’s license or card has expired, meaning after 90 days beyond the stated expiration date on the license or card or has been revoked or suspended solely for failure to given notice of a change of address, shall confiscate such firearm and the expired or suspended license or card then in possession and such officer shall forward such license or card, as soon as practical, to the licensing authority that issued the expired license or card. The officer shall, at the time of confiscation, provide to the person whose firearm has been confiscated, a written inventory and receipt for all firearms confiscated and the officer shall exercise due care in the handling, holding and storage of these items. Any confiscated firearm shall be considered surrendered and subject to the conditions of section 129D; provided, however, that the confiscated firearm shall be returned to the owner if proof of license or permit reinstatement is provided within 1 year of confiscation. This subsection shall not apply to temporary licenses to carry under section 131F.​
Thank you for so well expanding my point
 
The long delays go way further back than the shoplifting issue.

Local PDs will outright lie to people telling them the state is holding it up, when it's sitting on a desk at the PD and all they need to do is make a call.
It's just as bad in the People's Republic that i reside in. Applications have been batched until the end of the month for well over ten years. It has to be even worse now with the station being a "dark" station with nobody home to even answer the door 24/7. The last time I renewed was the last time there was a clerk present. Now, all inquiries at the door are screened through rejectional dispatch. The doorbell is answered via intercom and if THEY feel it's necessary, they will dispatch a cop off the road to go to the station, even for LTC mugshots and fingerprints. Then if you call to find out where your freshly printed LTC is, you will get lied to and miraculously, your LTC shows up in your mailbox within two or three days.
 
Still way to long! If the PD didn't have to tie up manpower at The Outlets for massive amounts of shoplifting all the time, maybe, just maybe, licenses would be processed quicker and within the parameters of the law. Even the Chief participates in the weekly Outlets shit show! Still no reason to delay a RIGHT though!
I only posted for point of information, not giving them an atta boy..... Just solid info from someone I helped on his LTC journey.
 
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