MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[not new guy]

What about .22lr ARs registered after ‘16, which Maura had said were cool.

 

[p.tice]

This legislation makes m&p 15-22 purchased after 2016 illegal from what I’m understanding? (Shroud)

I believe the definition is “center fire rifles” but I may be wrong.

 

[Marty McFly]

That is the part that has differing answers. What good is having the lowers before the "registered date" if no efa10 is done once put together before said date?

There is differing answers on whether or not you need to efa10 a built gun. Shouldn't matter now anyway. You had the lower. Suddenly it's a firearm. But you legally possessed it prior. Imo

 

[chris_1001]

What about .22lr ARs registered after ‘16, which Maura had said were cool.

This. The mp-15-22?

Also. So does this law prevent me from selling off roster pistols ftf after this goes through

 

[Marty McFly]

Thank you @CrackPot for breaking this down for us. I sincerely appreciate it.

 

[Waher]

You can count on the state to take 3x as long at 10x the cost. They won't have this system in a year.

They’ll shut down all sales and transfers until the new system is up as a ‘solution’.

 

[hrach015]

Do we know when the last day someone can do a frame transfer ?

 

[not new guy]

I spoke with my local central ma ffl last hour. He can get me an mp5k for $2800 in 2 days.

Maybe the last chance to get a new sp5 or k in MA, right? The price is right and the clock is ticking.

 

[FN atic]

Clear as mud

 

[Rob Boudrie]

There is differing answers on whether or not you need to efa10 a built gun. Shouldn't matter now anyway. You had the lower. Suddenly it's a firearm. But you legally possessed it prior. Imo

Possessed, yes.

Possessed and registered, no.

 

[Marty McFly]

Possessed, yes.

Possessed and registered, no.

I guess I don't understand the difference if there is currently no registry as it stands

 

[jkelly1229]

I guess I don't understand the difference if there is currently no registry as it stands

Haha there isnt just a list of all the guns you ever put into the efa10 system

You know any cops?

Have one run your plate and show you all the firearms you ever owned

Someone broke into my car once and the cop did that

Dude goes

O shit you have a lot of guns

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I guess I don't understand the difference if there is currently no registry as it stands

The term "registered" is used repeatedly in the draft, and even states all guns must be registered - but is silent on currently possessed guns that legally escaped registration.

 

[VTski4x4]

Sorry but Chapter 140 Section 121(F) in the version of the bill distributed by GOAL codifies the enforcement notice date into law.

...provided further, that the firearm shall not be considered a copy or duplicate of a firearm identified in clauses (d) and (e) if sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016.

Legally owned prior to 8/1. All ARs sold prior to 8/1 are lawfully owned. Read Crackpots post and rundown. It's more than one post.

 

[Marty McFly]

The term "registered" is used repeatedly in the draft, and eve states all guns must be registered - but is silent on currently possessed guns that legally escaped registration.

Thanks

 

[Marty McFly]

Haha there isnt just a list of all the guns you ever put into the efa10 system

You know any cops?

Have one run your plate and show you all the firearms you ever owned

Someone broke into my car once and the cop did that

Dude goes

O shit you have a lot of guns

I got the list years ago. It was very wrong then. Many i had still owned didn't make the list

 

[1903Collector]

So many are gonna get f***ed with this, I may need to start an attorney savings account. Even if a person tried there's no way to comply with this steaming pile of shit without falling into one of the many traps.

 

[groundscrapers]

S&W is fine as they will ship everything out of state. Distributors are dead. Dealers who sell online are dead.

S&W receives magazines from magpul out of state.

 

[Waher]

Possibility if Trump gets in that a DoJ Civil Rights Division under AG Paxton files suits against MA to expedite things. Not a great chance, but maybe.

 

[FN atic]

So many are gonna get f***ed with this, I may need to start an attorney savings account. Even if a person tried there's no way to comply with steaming pile of shit without falling into one of the many traps.

If the 2016 date was never a law, dealers still sold and transfered, but now is retroactive then 1000s of people will become felons. Even if somehow it is determined to be 8/1 if the prosecutors will most certainly use this against you. But homie with the switch will still get a slap on the wrist

 

[808]

I got the list years ago. It was very wrong then. Many i had still owned didn't make the list

Same here.

 

[allen-1]

Here is the response I got today

Your “representative” is an asswipe

 

[Hardwired]

So how is Maine looking vs MAss post 8-1-2024?

 

[chris_1001]

I got the list years ago. It was very wrong then. Many i had still owned didn't make the list

So adding to this. What about all the ones you sold?

They never come out of the fa-10 system.

You are the owner of record still.

 

[MAJoe]

So how is Maine looking vs MAss post 8-1-2024?

Anywhere is better, but Maine isn’t the best in New England.

 

[Tarsook]

SECTION 46. Surrender of Firearms
• If a license is suspended/revoked all firearms can only be surrendered to law enforcement who can now only transfer them to a licensed retailer that is a bonded warehouse.
• If stored firearms are not returned to the owner shall be sold and the proceeds to go to the state.


Nothing like a little state sponsored theft of private property. Time to throw the tea in the harbor

 

[not new guy]

One more thing to attack in court.

 

[sig shooter]

“SECTION 3. Seems to allow the use of EBT cards to purchase ammunition, but not firearms.”

 

[maltc]

@GOAL
“
SECTION 16. Assault Style Firearms – Essentially bans all semi-automatic firearms.
“Assault Weapon”
• “Two feature test” is distorted by adding “shroud” essentially banning every firearm that is semi-automatic centerfire utilizing a detachable magazine.
• Bans any firearm recommended by Firearm Control Advisory Board that they believe should the listed on the assault-style firearm roster.
• Grandfathering if sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016. Technically there was no registration requirement prior to the passage of this bill.”

Why didn’t you mention pre 94 ? Can you include your interpretation on the summary?

In addition- and by no means to be critical of everything you all and Jim Wallace do- but when the legislators asked what language you all found to be problematic, and the approach was, “the entire thing.”, barrel shrouds might have been a good start lol.

I just don’t understand how letting them get everything they want is better.

Playing the long game I guess? What - a - mess.

 

[Hardwired]

Possibility if Trump gets in that a DoJ Civil Rights Division under AG Paxton files suits against MA to expedite things. Not a great chance, but maybe.

Man I hope DJT would put in Paxton for AG.