Is there any possibility they could pull what they did with Caetano? That was not a conventional legal intervention so im not sure how that played out.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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$20 says they won't answer anyones interpretation questions either. Just like now.
Yep. “Talk to a lawyer or get arrested and find out”. By comparison, SLFU in CT is actually helpful.
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This has been left undefined, so any specifications at this level of detail are guesswork. Even with the BATFE, there has been no documented determination that tube is, in and of itself, high capacity. In fact, tubes were allowed during the dark days of 94-04, and the proposed/pending MA law provides no additional specific guidance.
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pastera
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You can if you assemble it into a lower and attach an upper - easy to do if you another AR to temporarily grab parts from.
After you have assembled it into a fireable condition then you must eFA-10 it - once registered what you do with it is your own prerogative.
VTski4x4
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What a Fing Kunt
So im f***ed with my mp5 upper then right? I've been waiting for sbr approval with nothing
Plus, fixing a mag only addresses the detachable mag section. It still would need to not be on the assault roster and not be a copy/duplicate.
pastera
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Caetano was a final opinion - We will be interlocutory for three plus years so little chance.
Possessed prior to 94 by WHO is my question… exclusively the current owner?
There’s so much crap in this that any AWB relief is such a small part.
Mandatory registration for everything, harassment orders bypassing due process, allowing a whole lot more people to submit ERPOs… and on and on.
pastera
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Just buy a lower and build it into a rifle then use that lower to create your SBR - or build two rifles from lowers using one 16"+ upper and then convert one to an SBR
I spoke with my local central ma ffl last hour. He can get me an mp5k for $2800 in 2 days.
pastera
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doesn't matter - if it was in commercial inventory by the cutoff it is a preban rifle and not subject to the AWB.
The lawfully possessed is legal jargon left over from the federal AWB
So basically we're f***ed for 2+ yrs unless some emergency injunctions go through. The flurry of lawsuits should be interesting. Dists like Interstate, Camfour etc have "restraint of trade" etc too.
btnh6668
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That is the part that has differing answers. What good is having the lowers before the "registered date" if no efa10 is done once put together before said date?
CWulf
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Is this POS subject to the 90 day waiting period or did they put an "Emergency' preamble on it and its law when the governor signs it? Or is Aug 1st the date?
pastera
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You are only supposed to "register" on an eFA-10 once a gun is capable of being fired.
A lower is not capable of being fired therefore you can buy it bypassing the current BS
After you buy a few lowers, you serially assemble them so that they can fire using the same unserialized parts
Once you have a fireable gun then you "register" it in the eFA-10 system.
Rinse and repeat with your remaining stripped lowers.
Nothing says that once a gun is assembled to the point it needs to be "registered" that the gun must remain in that configuration.
Or you can just say screw it and ignore all of this unconstitutional BS while just living life as you did yesterday...
VTski4x4
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5yrs is my guess, and that's assuming the makeup of courts doesn't change against us.
CrackPot
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I avoid paying attention to what are elected shysters are up to. Clearly they have to deal with illegals, housing, food, cars, phones, etc. The new IT system is a rounding error on that.
pastera
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No, injunctions will only extend the process - SCOTUS will not take this on an interlocutory appeal and any emergency injunctive relief will be laughed out of court in the 1st Circus
The only real hope of a speedy relief is for the Illinois cases in the 7th to be granted cert (or the Maryland cases in the 4th but I believe the 7th is closer)
pastera
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Agree - without another circuit getting cert in the next session, we will need to wait for this one to make it through the 1st circuit.
And worse is that anyone taking this up is going to need a lot of money which means they will get pressured to move for an injunction - which will not only get turned down but will add at least a year or two to the process.
The fastest way to the Supreme Court is to just start slamming this POS in the court looking for an expedited summary judgement at every level and take fast losses
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The released draft removes this quirk from MA law, and henceforth, stripped lowers and frame will be guns. In fact, it states that a manufacture serial numbered part is a gun unless the manufacturer states otherwise, which could create complications with European and Euro-American guns that serialize the barrel and slide. Time for some emergency handgun frame orders.
pastera
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Agree once they have a complete list of compliant 2A advocates and what they own, they will start the cleanup. They only need to grab up a small percentage of people with bogus court orders in order to get the whole lot of compliant grandfathering sheep to just get rid of everything in order to get the tyrants off their back.
But like all bullies, once they see you flinch they keep coming back for more and more...
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So my spare/different caliber slide that has a serial number on it is a gun.
Sorry but Chapter 140 Section 121(F) in the version of the bill distributed by GOAL codifies the enforcement notice date into law.
...provided further, that the firearm shall not be considered a copy or duplicate of a firearm identified in clauses (d) and (e) if sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016.
Part one of our breakdown is here:
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Rapidly changing, and more to come.
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Rapidly changing, and more to come.
chris_1001
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There is / was no real registration in mass. Only a transfer system (fa-10)
So it would seem that’s not binding.
(Tossing it out there)
Pre ban Colts were only sold as completes- So those are officially codified into grandfather status according to this…correct me if I’m wrong.
This legislation makes m&p 15-22 purchased after 2016 illegal from what I’m understanding? (Shroud)
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