MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[jkelly1229]

I got the list years ago. It was very wrong then. Many i had still owned didn't make the list

Yeah this was 8 years ago and most of mine weren't on it either but it certainly exists

 

[Marty McFly]

So adding to this. What about all the ones you sold?

They never come out of the fa-10 system.

You are the owner of record still.

At that time I had only sold 1 or 2. They were of course there....

 

[VTski4x4]

SECTION 46. Surrender of Firearms
• If a license is suspended/revoked all firearms can only be surrendered to law enforcement who can now only transfer them to a licensed retailer that is a bonded warehouse.
• If stored firearms are not returned to the owner shall be sold and the proceeds to go to the state.


Nothing like a little state sponsored theft of private property. Time to throw the tea in the harbor

And a big catch with this - dealers won't be able to sell many of those guns to any non-leo after 8/1. This is a huge gaping stabwound waiting for FPC to f*** it.

 

[Hardwired]

“SECTION 3. Seems to allow the use of EBT cards to purchase ammunition, but not firearms.”

So the baby mamas can buy ammo for the live in boyfriends they gave the Grock 17 they got ‘em for their birthday.

 

[MAJoe]

@GOAL
“
SECTION 16. Assault Style Firearms – Essentially bans all semi-automatic firearms.
“Assault Weapon”
• “Two feature test” is distorted by adding “shroud” essentially banning every firearm that is semi-automatic centerfire utilizing a detachable magazine.
• Bans any firearm recommended by Firearm Control Advisory Board that they believe should the listed on the assault-style firearm roster.
• Grandfathering if sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016. Technically there was no registration requirement prior to the passage of this bill.”

Why didn’t you mention pre 94 ? Can you include your interpretation on the summary?

In addition- and by no means to be critical of everything you all and Jim Wallace do- but when the legislators asked what language you all found to be problematic, and the approach was, “the entire thing.”, barrel shrouds might have been a good start lol.

I just don’t understand how letting them get everything they want is better.

Playing the long game I guess? What - a - mess.

Pre-94 means nothing in the new law unless you mean the meager list in section A.

 

[maltc]

This. The mp-15-22?

Also. So does this law prevent me from selling off roster pistols ftf after this goes through

Rimfire appear to be exempt from these updates. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[LakeTrout]

Am I right in thinking that it’s guaranteed to pass now? Even if the communist governor vetos it, they can veto him?

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Am I right in thinking that it’s guaranteed to pass now? Even if the communist governor vetos it, they can veto him?

It will pass SHE will sign it.

 

[chris_1001]

Am I right in thinking that it’s guaranteed to pass now? Even if the communist governor vetos it, they can veto him?

Wut?

Him who?

Mura

 

[1903Collector]

Am I right in thinking that it’s guaranteed to pass now? Even if the communist governor vetos it, they can veto him?

It has passed.

 

[Arlo39]

Pre ban Colts were only sold as completes- So those are officially codified into grandfather status according to this…correct me if I’m wrong.

This legislation makes m&p 15-22 purchased after 2016 illegal from what I’m understanding? (Shroud)

I believe it say center fire rifles.

 

[BostonVI]

MS Access time !!!!

;-)

More like $5M to Accenture

 

[sig shooter]

It will pass SHE will sign it.

They/Them

 

[maltc]

I believe it say center fire rifles.

You’re correct there is no mention of rimfire in the AW section.

 

[VTski4x4]

Am I right in thinking that it’s guaranteed to pass now? Even if the communist governor vetos it, they can veto him?

It passed. It will be signed. It will be law. It will be fought for many years. Who knows the outcome.

 

[maltc]

Pre-94 means nothing in the new law unless you mean the meager list in section A.

Pre 94 is mentioned and codified according to this- unless I’m mistaken. Can you elaborate?

 

[Hardwired]

Pre-94 means nothing in the new law unless you mean the meager list in section A.

I think it goes for the 2016 non-law opinion also.

ex post facto​

The Latin translation of ex post facto is “from a thing done afterward.”
In a legal context, ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a criminal statute that punishes actions retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed. Two clauses in the United States Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws:

• Article 1, § 9
  • This prohibits Congress from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.
• Article 1 § 10.
  • This prohibits the states from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.

 

[Waher]

I’m wondering if the fastest route to an injunction is the fact the post 2016 bit amounts to an unlawful taking when coupled with the seized guns must be auctioned part.

 

[jron]

Huh?
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There was no law enacted in 2016. It was a “warning”. Just took them 8 years to get here

 

[sig shooter]

I think it goes for the 2016 non-law opinion also.

ex post facto​

The Latin translation of ex post facto is “from a thing done afterward.”
In a legal context, ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a criminal statute that punishes actions retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed. Two clauses in the United States Constitution prohibit ex post facto laws:

• Article 1, § 9
  • This prohibits Congress from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.
• Article 1 § 10.
  • This prohibits the states from passing any laws which apply ex post facto.

Another angle of attack for FPC and GOA.

 

[jron]

You can count on the state to take 3x as long at 10x the cost. They won't have this system in a year.

Especially transferring all the old data

 

[sig shooter]

Especially transferring all the old data

This whole thing is a klusterf*** of epic proportions. I go back and forth between being pissed off and laughing my ass off at this train wreck.

 

[souper]

Pre 94 is mentioned and codified according to this- unless I’m mistaken. Can you elaborate?

Section 16 just defines what an ASW is. So rifles prior to 94 are not considered ASWs by definition.

Section 131M states that all ASWs (rifles post 7/16) in state prior to 8/1/24 are legal to possess.

 

[p.tice]

Section 131M states that all rifles prior to 8/1/24 are ASW but are legal to possess.

The new law completely strikes out section 131M and replaces it with:

“No person shall possess, own, offer for sale, sell or otherwise transfer in the commonwealth or import into the commonwealth an assault-style firearm [...] shall not apply to an assault-style firearm lawfully possessed within the commonwealth on August 1, 2024"

 

[1903Collector]

The new law completely strikes out section 131M and replaces it with:

“No person shall possess, own, offer for sale, sell or otherwise transfer in the commonwealth or import into the commonwealth an assault-style firearm [...] shall not apply to an assault-style firearm lawfully possessed within the commonwealth on August 1, 2024"

Unless they now consider post 2016 not legally possessed

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

This whole thing is a klusterf*** of epic proportions. I go back and forth between being pissed off and laughing my ass off at this train wreck.

I feel the same way

 

[vicorjh]

Removing mag blocks. Depinning things that should not be pinned. Milling on things we're told should not be milled.

Criminals do not follow (unconstitutional) laws. Feels good to be a gansta. Sleeping soundly tonight.

 

[1903Collector]

This whole thing is a klusterf*** of epic proportions. I go back and forth between being pissed off and laughing my ass off at this train wreck.

As someone said earlier, thats a feature not a flaw.

 

[souper]

The new law completely strikes out section 131M and replaces it with:

“No person shall possess, own, offer for sale, sell or otherwise transfer in the commonwealth or import into the commonwealth an assault-style firearm [...] shall not apply to an assault-style firearm lawfully possessed within the commonwealth on August 1, 2024"

They keep section 131M and replace the text.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

The new law completely strikes out section 131M and replaces it with:

“No person shall possess, own, offer for sale, sell or otherwise transfer in the commonwealth or import into the commonwealth an assault-style firearm [...] shall not apply to an assault-style firearm lawfully possessed within the commonwealth on August 1, 2024"

So they moved 9/94 to 8/24?