Can someone please post the email addresses of all the senators and house representatives? I need to send a mass email out.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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True. I was thinking the vultures that overpaid for TP hoping to sell higher were stuck with a loss in the a end. That’s where I was going with it. Oh well, maybe not the best anay.
Bro we're beyond emails. The courts are the only way and even then, I have no doubt they'll ream us in the long run.
The GOAL website has what you want. GOAL - Home
Varmint
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AND it's already gone all the way to SCOTUS for both encryption (Bernsetein) and design files (Defense Distributed). 1A won both times.
Code == speech
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Is that gif from Firefly?
HARRYM
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Indeed, it started way back when over 90% of gun owners in America enjoyed a free 2A ride by never joining and helping any 2A rights organizations as well as supporting a Democrat Party that has wanted to ban all firearms for many years. As much as I hate the Leftists they have been 1000% laser focused and 1000% united in their rabid agendas while too many on the right were hoping to be just left alone.
At the end of the day nobody should be surprised it has come to this.
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Yeah
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HARRYM
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Just remembering when Healey and Campbell were elected and some here stated they would plot silently then unleash hell on the 2A folks and we were called pant shitters....good times.....
BigGreen2000
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Coos County—my favorite!
There's an xlsx file here:
2023 MA Gun Ban: House has engrossed H.4139, waiting on Senate
"House Speaker Ron Mariano, after caucusing with fellow representatives Tuesday, said that he expects Wednesday’s House session to include some “spirited debate” on the matter. According to the Speaker, moving the legislation through the budget bill is the best path forward. “I think the gun...
www.northeastshooters.com
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‘Tremendously devious’: Gun rights group blasts bill scheduled for debate in Massachusetts Senate
“We voiced our concerns about the House bill but the Senate bill created a whole new set of concerns,” Jim Wallace, executive director of the Gun Owners Action League, told the Herald.
www.bostonherald.com
HARRYM
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Leftist Communists being tremendously devious you say.........‘Tremendously devious’: Gun rights group blasts bill scheduled for debate in Massachusetts Senate
“We voiced our concerns about the House bill but the Senate bill created a whole new set of concerns,” Jim Wallace, executive director of the Gun Owners Action League, told the Herald.
Grendizer138
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I hope nothing is grandfathered and people are forced to make some difficult decisions.
I’m not worried either, and I’m not selling shit
I hope nothing is grandfathered and people are forced to make some difficult decisions.
I’m not worried either, and I’m not selling shit
Everything will be grandfathered in as the Constitution explicitly prohibits Ex Post Facto Laws in this article:
Federal:
State-related:
... and the Supreme Court has already taken stance on this favoring surprise surprise - the Constitution.
Just a data point
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Wouldn't that only be relevant if they actually cared what the constitution says?
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I wouldn't count on that.
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They didn't grandfather alcohol and we would still have the ability to sell out of state. To assume they'd have to grandfather, here, is to oversimplify.
They dont as they have shown us again and again. But this will be heavily litigated and eventually will be resolved in our favor one way or another.
I am actually a firm believer that if push comes to shove we will win -that- one.
Your bumpstock is worth $100. Your AR is worth 1500 and that is a starting point- there are plenty guns that make 1500 look like chump change. We are talking serious money and determined folks not to lose them. And it is very explicitly defined in the constitution. It can go only one way. It can take time, but will go our way. For once.
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Amputee Marksman
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This.
True, but if I can reach people and educate them, it may change things slightly for the better.
I keep reading that there's stuff that would make training or advocacy illegal, or at least open to "you hurt my feelings" lawsuits. But when I read the bill I don't see it.
Section 128D (line 397) has a bunch of scary language, but it appears to only apply if you encourage someone under 18 to break the law.
There's a bunch of stupid definitions for "firearm industry member" and "firearm industry product", and some crap to get around interstate commerce federal stuff (restricting it to "within The commonwealth")
To me it looks like a ton of words that have no application, unless you're a gun dealer trying to sell handguns to 16 year olds.
Like everything else in this bill it'll have zero effect on crime, but it seems more like a nothingburger that doesn't deserve as much outrage as other sections.
What am I missing?
Section 128D (line 397) has a bunch of scary language, but it appears to only apply if you encourage someone under 18 to break the law.
There's a bunch of stupid definitions for "firearm industry member" and "firearm industry product", and some crap to get around interstate commerce federal stuff (restricting it to "within The commonwealth")
To me it looks like a ton of words that have no application, unless you're a gun dealer trying to sell handguns to 16 year olds.
Like everything else in this bill it'll have zero effect on crime, but it seems more like a nothingburger that doesn't deserve as much outrage as other sections.
What am I missing?
GL2020
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Call your police chief. They never saw the bill.
The board of MCOPA supported it. Chiefs never had a voice.
Sneaky. Think they didn’t learn anything from the House?
Grendizer138
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Same amount they reimbursed RI gun owners when they said non-crippled magazines had to be sold out of state or given to the police department.
we all understand now that it will pass, as it is MA - but it is very interesting, of what will be done next after it passes...
EJFudd
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Oh, that's easy.
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The House and Senate will sit down together and combine the very worst aspects of the two bills into one bill... and then Maura will sign it (with an emergency preamble added, of course) to great fanfare and adoration from the Boston leftist media and from the BloomingTurd red shirts. 
Will we be going to Concord now that they are letting real criminals out?
pinefd
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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe have a very large NES get-together there...for 5 to 10 years or so.
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