MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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EJFudd said:
Oh, that's easy. [thumbsup] The House and Senate will sit down together and combine the very worst aspects of the two bills into one bill... and then Maura will sign it (with an emergency preamble added, of course) to great fanfare and adoration from the Boston leftist media and from the BloomingTurd red shirts. 😵‍💫
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i am more curious of how they will put house raids and combing of suburbs for a global confiscation into the same legislation.

markey pushes a bill to prohibit militias, but it is still a bit weak, they really need to bake up something to boost the enforcement side, as a prohibitive side seems to be getting built quite solid.
just curious of how far they will decided to push the envelope, that`s all.
 
paul73 said:
i am more curious of how they will put house raids and combing of suburbs for a global confiscation into the same legislation.

markey pushes a bill to prohibit militias, but it is still a bit weak, they really need to bake up something to boost the enforcement side, as a prohibitive side seems to be getting built quite solid.
just curious of how far they will decided to push the envelope, that`s all.
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Well, as others have said, the crazier and more anti-constitutional they get, the better our chances will be down the road with SCOTUS. 🤔
 
EJFudd said:
Oh, that's easy. [thumbsup] The House and Senate will sit down together and combine the very worst aspects of the two bills into one bill... and then Maura will sign it (with an emergency preamble added, of course) to great fanfare and adoration from the Boston leftist media and from the BloomingTurd red shirts. 😵‍💫
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You forgot the best part that happens after. Mass non-compliance. Don't be one of the single digit percentage of normal citizens that complies. Striving to be "law-abiding" these days is for chumps. Our government has completely lost its moral authority.
 
paul73 said:
i am more curious of how they will put house raids and combing of suburbs for a global confiscation into the same legislation.

markey pushes a bill to prohibit militias, but it is still a bit weak, they really need to bake up something to boost the enforcement side, as a prohibitive side seems to be getting built quite solid.
just curious of how far they will decided to push the envelope, that`s all.
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The state is absolutely broke they don’t have the money to go door to door.

These laws will do exactly what their intended to do
Just like her decree did exactly what was intended

It will have gun owners and shops walking on eggshells while they pick us off here and there for other benign offenses that give them access to our collections

I’m willing to bet part of them doesn’t even want us to comply so they have a reason to make an example of us when they finally do have enough money
 
TLB said:
You forgot the best part that happens after. Mass non-compliance. Don't be one of the single digit percentage of normal citizens that complies. Striving to be "law-abiding" these days is for chumps. Our government has completely lost its moral authority.
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Comply with what is the question? We don't know yet and the worst of the worst bad stuff seems aimed at the dealers first (as usual). So unless someone (a non-dealer) has big plans to buy something newly-banned right after Maura signs this insanity, the immediate effect is that we sit tight and wait for the other shoe to drop.
 
After having some time to think over the meeting with Senator Brownsberger yesterday, I think we have an opportunity to affect this bill's final form. I don't think there is much of a chance of stopping it from going through, but I think it is worth writing / calling your rep and logging the issues we have identified. In some cases I think they will fall on deaf ears, but some reps may be receptive and can work on fixing the big flaws.

I realize there is a point of view that allowing it to go through in its worst possible form will possibly strengthen a later legal challenge. I'm not devaluing that view, but it is not mine.
 
GOAL said:
Our summary is here:

GOAL - S2572 Summary

goal.org goal.org
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I have reread S2572 multiple times trying to figure out why GOAL thinks it bans semi autos with over 5 rounds. I do not see this.

The language that talks about fixed mags is only in the context of not being an assault weapon. So language saying what cannot be an assault weapon does not make something an assault weapon.


I am curious about this conclusion.
 
CMEBoston said:
The state is absolutely broke they don’t have the money to go door to door.

These laws will do exactly what their intended to do
Just like her decree did exactly what was intended

It will have gun owners and shops walking on eggshells while they pick us off here and there for other benign offenses that give them access to our collections

I’m willing to bet part of them doesn’t even want us to comply so they have a reason to make an example of us when they finally do have enough money
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This. The state had a $1+ billion deficit and we think they’re going to do door to door confiscation?? No way
 
Since this thread is growing so quickly and I don't have to read it all:

Is there a timeline for this yet? Is the Senate holding hearings about their version of the bill? If so, when? When will the House and Senate start working on a joint bill that can go to the governor, instead of two separate proposals?
 
CMEBoston said:
The state is absolutely broke they don’t have the money to go door to door.
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The state is not broke. MA can still pay its obligations, pay the state employee, and have enough for agency funding. The most significant expenditures are the pet programs. Healy said that she would cut them in half, which would cut the deficit in half. What it means is that if she were to cut the "bribes", err, I mean "important local projects" by 100%, MA would be in the green.
 
kalash said:
Since this thread is growing so quickly and I don't have to read it all:

Is there a timeline for this yet? Is the Senate holding hearings about their version of the bill? If so, when? When will the House and Senate start working on a joint bill that can go to the governor, instead of two separate proposals?
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Amendments due to be filed in the Senate today by 5pm. This will go to full Senate vote Thursday 2/1.

Source: ‘Tremendously devious’: Gun rights group blasts bill scheduled for debate in Massachusetts Senate

Amendments to the bill are due by 5 p.m. on Monday, with the upper chamber expected to bring the proposal out for full consideration on Thursday. From there, with differing versions of the bill offered by both chambers, the measure will likely land in conference committee, where a final piece of legislation will be ironed out.
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Another email to my senator. Like it will help. Probably will call after lunch. The stupid is DEEP in these bills. They make CA and IL look downright intelligent.
 
Wondering if GOAL and COMM2A could tell us how many new members they have gained over the last few months and if the coffers have greatly increased as well.
 
I've tried to follow all of the post and I read through the bill. If I am understanding things correctly PCCs that accept a magazine and has 2 or more evil features will be considered an assault rifle. For instance the PCC accepts a large capacity feeding device (magazine), has a pistol grip, has an adjustable stock or a threaded barrel (or maybe both). That's 2+ features so bad. So if you buy one without the threaded barrel and adj. stock you are OK. Of course you can't pin the stock or replace the stock or pin/weld a comp on the barrel because once an assault rifle always an assault rifle.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out as far as Grandfathering if they have it. Lots of Ruger PCCs sold in MA that are considered assault rifles and all of them in 2018 or later.
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
The state is not broke. MA can still pay its obligations, pay the state employee, and have enough for agency funding.
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True. And if they'd have the guts to send our Haitian "guests" packing, MA would be firmly in the black.

I don't think we can rely on a lack of funding to stop the state from going full Commie on us with this inane new anti-gunowner law. 🤔
 
Massachusetts has around 75 Billion in Debt. And its growing because tax revenues are falling behind projections. Healey just spent 2 Billion on illegals and wants 2 Billion more. They want to float 25 Billion in bonds to bail out the MBTA. Healey has only begun her out of control spending spree so get ready.

If I was in the same position scale wise as the state of MA I would have to file for bankruptcy.
 
HARRYM said:
Wondering if GOAL and COMM2A could tell us how many new members they have gained over the last few months and if the coffers have greatly increased as well.
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A final bill passing and getting signed by Maura is a foregone conclusion... so all I care about at this point is which organization (or organizations) is/are going to jump in and take the lead in fighting this monstrosity via litigation. That's who I want to support. [thumbsup]
 
EJFudd said:
A final bill passing and getting signed by Maura is a foregone conclusion... so all I care about at this point is which organization (or organizations) is/are going to jump in and take the lead in fighting this monstrosity via litigation. That's who I want to support. [thumbsup]
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I support many and have for quite sometime.
 
alx said:
Everything will be grandfathered in as the Constitution explicitly prohibits Ex Post Facto Laws in this article:

Federal:


State-related:


... and the Supreme Court has already taken stance on this favoring surprise surprise - the Constitution.

Just a data point
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Dude, this is awesome. Does it also say something about guns and the right to keep them? ... because if it does, then we are good, this will not pass.

(Sarc)
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
The state is not broke. MA can still pay its obligations, pay the state employee, and have enough for agency funding. The most significant expenditures are the pet programs. Healy said that she would cut them in half, which would cut the deficit in half. What it means is that if she were to cut the "bribes", err, I mean "important local projects" by 100%, MA would be in the green.
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Are you factoring in public pension liabilities?
 
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