MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Amputee Marksman said:
So let's say hypothetically you purchased a PCC with 2 or more of the evil features from a MA FFL then you are illegal regardless of the fact the FFL sold/transferred it to you.



Ruger PCCs weren't introduced until December 2017. I made the comment in reference to the 2016 edict. I guess I added confusion instead of clarity.
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The 2016 Edict is just political grandstanding and of no relevance to anything legal. So we will discard that thought.

You are responsible for every gun you possess. We all know this in terms of keeping it pointed in a safe direction, finger off the trigger, etc. But this also applies to the gun's legality. The law says you cannot possess an assault weapon. There is no caveat that says "unless sold to you by a FFL". It is a felony for the FFL to sell you an assault weapon and a felony for you to possess.

The FFL is very unlikely to get in trouble even if you are arrested and prosecuted. They can raise reasonable doubt that compliance work was done before it went out the door and you changed it after you left to make it illegal.

So unfortunately, should this purely hypothetical situation occur, you would be the only one at any serious risk.


On a totally unrelated note, we do compliance work at my shop should you ever need any;)
 
CrackPot said:
Harder than you think to do. The House basically deleted chap 140 sec 121 through 131Y and replaced it wholesale. That is part of why it took 135 pages to take away all our rights.

The senate bill was far more strategic and made modifications to the existing law. They did a lot less and allowed the existing case law and infrastructure to remain.

So if they want to bring any concept in from the House, they will have to add new language to the Senate version in a way that works in the current framework. A lot of what the house did that is different REQUIRED a total rewrite to be possible. I would instead expect small tweaks rather than conceptual adds.

Remember, MCOPA has blessed what the Senate did. No gun bill has ever passed w/o MCOPA blessing. Bringing in any of the ideas from the House that the Senate did not already include while possible seems unlikely.

Then again, this is MA and they will run gun owners over without a second thought, so anything is possible. But I am betting on the final bill very closely resembling whatever the Senate passes.
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Where is that COP from Plymouth now ? Was all over the news and Internet before !
 
CrackPot said:
On a totally unrelated note, we do compliance work at my shop should you ever need any;)
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From page 6, lines 115 - 117

that if a
weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is an assault weapon, it shall remain an assault
weapon even if it is altered by the seller.

It would appear the market for "compliance work" might be killed. Of course getting the manufacturer to provide you with the exact specifications based on the serial number might not be possible unless the serial number is tied to a SKU or something like that.
 
Amendment ID: S2572-11

Amendment 11

Grandfather Clauses to Assault Weapons Ban

Mr. Tarr moves that the proposed new text be amended by inserting in line 112 after the word, “clause (i);” the following: - “(H) any weapon lawfully possessed in the Commonwealth prior to the passage of this act;”.
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Amendment ID: S2572-23

Amendment 23

Grandfathering Legal Weapons

Messrs. Velis and Pacheco move that the proposed new text be amended in SECTION 3, after subclause (G), by adding the following subclause:-

"(H) any assault weapon lawfully possessed within the Commonwealth on August 1, 2024 by an owner in possession of a license to carry or by a holder of a license to sell; provided however that the assault weapon shall be registered and serialized."
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Amendment ID: S2572-31

Amendment 31

Short-Barreled Rifles

Ms. Comerford moves that the proposed new text be amended in section 3, by adding the following sentence:-

"A semiautomatic rifle that meets the definition of an assault weapon and is converted to a short-barreled rifle or built with a barrel less than 16 inches shall remain an assault weapon."
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Amendment ID: S2572-66

Amendment 66

Amnesty for current residents

Ms. Edwards moves that the proposed new text be amended in subsection (d) of section 14, by inserting after clause (x) in line 302, the following clause:- “(xi) the possession or importation of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or any completed or unfinished frame or receiver by a current resident of the commonwealth who, within six months of the passage of this law, causes the firearm, rifle, shotgun or completed or unfinished frame or receiver to be imprinted with a valid serial number, removes the weapon from the commonwealth, engages in a gun buy-back program, or otherwise comes into compliance with this section; and”; and in said section 14, striking out the clause number (xi) in line 303 and inserting in place thereof:- “(xii)”.
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Damn, all those $200 tax stamps and waiting for Form 1s are now all for naught for those who went that route.
 
thread tldr. Not sure if anyone has pointed this out.

"... knowingly cause the distribution of, digital firearm manufacturing code to any person in the commonwealth who does not have a valid license to manufacture firearms."

So, what if you take your laptop to New Hampshire for the day, download the code there, and bring it into MA yourself. Is that a loophole?
 
not new guy said:
What’s the deal with SBRs now? Is it just about the evil features or is it more?
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The amendment above in @souper post


Amendment ID: S2572-31

Amendment 31

Short-Barreled Rifles

Ms. Comerford moves that the proposed new text be amended in section 3, by adding the following sentence:-

"A semiautomatic rifle that meets the definition of an assault weapon and is converted to a short-barreled rifle or built with a barrel less than 16 inches shall remain an assault weapon."
 
DJBrad said:
The amendment above in @souper post


Amendment ID: S2572-31

Amendment 31

Short-Barreled Rifles

Ms. Comerford moves that the proposed new text be amended in section 3, by adding the following sentence:-

"A semiautomatic rifle that meets the definition of an assault weapon and is converted to a short-barreled rifle or built with a barrel less than 16 inches shall remain an assault weapon."
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I mean...I suppose that makes sense, if somehow SBRs were being exempt from the "assault weapon" definition this whole time...
 
Thirwell1216 said:
At least Moms are getting excited about the bill:

Senate Lawmakers Introduce Comprehensive Legislation to Address Gun Violence in Massachusetts; Moms Demand Action, Students Demand Action Respond

BOSTON, MA – Today, the Massachusetts chapters of Moms Demand Action and Students Demand Action, both part of Everytown for Gun Safety’s grassroots network, issued the following statement commending Senate …
momsdemandaction.org momsdemandaction.org
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They should stay in the kitchen and cook me a sammich.
 
sig shooter said:
if you click OP’s link you can see what proposed amendments were filed. They’re really going full retard and complicating this bill. Good for us so we can keep the senate and house fighting.
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Dude they are going to take every amendment and make everything illegal.

It will help us with an injunction maybe.
 
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